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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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americanwoman said:
I would be interested to hear what that doctors religion is. I have to say I'd be pretty shocked if my daughter's doctor refused to see her anymore because the doctor didn't agree religiously with some part of my lifestyle that had nothing to do with a baby receiving medical care. I'm glad the baby was still able to get medical care.
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Was sent to a middle eastern doctor recently that asked me a number of religious based questions. I ended telling him to go pound sand. See it works both ways.
You don't want to treat certain people in a non emergency setting, you should have that option as a human.
And if you are not happy with a certain doctor, you can go find another one.
But, I forgot. We are the United States of the Offended and must go on a crusade to crush all people with a different world view.
 
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My suspicion is that the child would probably get better care from a different pediatrician. Perhaps everyone is fortunate it happened. Imagine subjecting yourself to a doctor that doesn't want to treat you.
 
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chromium said:
It's only diff if you favor the rights of one group over another. She got on the bus. Where's the harm?? Tell me that please

Here is the harm: "The new mothers were shocked, hurt and angry" - and that is abhorrent for a so-called healer to be a part of
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The mothers weren't the patients.
 
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chromium said:
It's only diff if you favor the rights of one group over another. She got on the bus. Where's the harm?? Tell me that please

Here is the harm: "The new mothers were shocked, hurt and angry" - and that is abhorrent for a so-called healer to be a part of
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Clearly you are the one that favors the rights of one group over another. I applaud these women for going to another clinic where they feel comfortable, again, comparing this to Rosa Parks is dishonest. Mrs. Parks had no such choice, but you still have your crusade to carry you foward, just don't expect universal agreement.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Was sent to a middle eastern doctor recently that asked me a number of religious based questions. I ended telling him to go pound sand. See it works both ways.
You don't want to treat certain people in a non emergency setting, you should have that option as a human.
And if you are not happy with a certain doctor, you can go find another one.
But, I forgot. We are the United States of the Offended and must go on a crusade to crush all people with a different world view.
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If you have to give each patient 30 questions before treating them to make sure no part of them offends your religion, then why did you become a doctor again? If you are so religious that it's going to interfere with your work, then maybe you should not get into a field where you have to deal with other people.

But I forgot. We are the United States of the offended and must go on a crusade to deny other people with a different world view medical care. See it works both ways again.

You think it's okay for the doctor to be offended but not the patients.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Was sent to a middle eastern doctor recently that asked me a number of religious based questions. I ended telling him to go pound sand. See it works both ways.
You don't want to treat certain people in a non emergency setting, you should have that option as a human.
And if you are not happy with a certain doctor, you can go find another one.
But, I forgot. We are the United States of the Offended and must go on a crusade to crush all people with a different world view.
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Not everyone has options. First some places are too small to have more than one or possibly two doctors, particularly for "non emergencies". Second, insurance companies and what is covered or not does have a huge impact as to which doctors a person can choose. This means that it is not as simple as "choose a different doctor" for many people.

In this sort of case, the course of action the couple is taking is great. Choosing a different doctor and spreading their story about this doctor's discrimination. Doctors should not be immune to bad publicity when they do something like this.

And I don't know the circumstances that "sent" you to that particular doctor, but such questions are inappropriate for any doctor to ask, even if not illegal. I would say that passing on such information about that doctor to others, like that he/she asks inappropriate religion based questions during examination time is something that should be done. It warns others about the person they may be considering to have as their doctor.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Clearly you are the one that favors the rights of one group over another. I applaud these women for going to another clinic where they feel comfortable, again, comparing this to Rosa Parks is dishonest. Mrs. Parks had no such choice, but you still have your crusade to carry you foward, just don't expect universal agreement.
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They can refuse to leave the 1st clinic and the cops will be called. That's as much a choice as Parks had. She could've gone to another city where she doesn't have to sit on the back of the bus. She should've stopped whining and known her place and just gone elsewhere (the real hope of jim crow) right?

I'm sure you don't see parallels to that alabama judge moore and george wallace either
 
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fmw said:
My suspicion is that the child would probably get better care from a different pediatrician. Perhaps everyone is fortunate it happened. Imagine subjecting yourself to a doctor that doesn't want to treat you.
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But the real point of this is to condemn the asshole doctor, and it's appalling not everyone can even agree to that
 
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chromium said:
They can refuse to leave the 1st clinic and the cops will be called. That's as much a choice as Parks had. She could've gone to another city where she doesn't have to sit on the back of the bus. She should've stopped whining and known her place and just gone elsewhere (the real hope of jim crow) right?

I'm sure you don't see parallels to that alabama judge moore and george wallace either
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I'll leave you to your crusade, this is getting too bizarre for me.
 
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americanwoman said:
If you have to give each patient 30 questions before treating them to make sure no part of them offends your religion, then why did you become a doctor again? If you are so religious that it's going to interfere with your work, then maybe you should not get into a field where you have to deal with other people.

But I forgot. We are the United States of the offended and must go on a crusade to deny other people with a different world view medical care. See it works both ways again.

You think it's okay for the doctor to be offended but not the patients.
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I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.
 
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chromium said:
But the real point of this is to condemn the asshole doctor, and it's appalling not everyone can even agree to that
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Maybe not everyone is caring about lesbians and their indignant suffering.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.
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And face criticism for doing something this despicable.

Plus, they should still have to abide by public accommodation laws, particularly given that people are limited in their choice of doctor based on their insurance company and needs. We have a difference of opinions on public accommodation laws however.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.
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Fair enough, if you alienate many patients or customers there won't be many left to keep you in business.

I just don't really understand what an innocent baby that has nothing to do or no say in their parents situation has to suffer, not in this case but more a general statement.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Maybe not everyone is caring about lesbians and their indignant suffering.
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maybe not everyone will cater to the objections of bigoted "doctors" and laws will be created to ban this kind of discrimination
 
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chromium said:
maybe not everyone will cater to the objections of bigoted "doctors" and laws will be created to ban this kind of discrimination
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Yes, lets ban everything and every way of thinking that doesn't line up with the oh so tolerant liberals.
 
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americanwoman said:
Fair enough, if you alienate many patients or customers there won't be many left to keep you in business.

I just don't really understand what an innocent baby that has nothing to do or no say in their parents situation has to suffer, not in this case but more a general statement.
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Because he probably , like most people, think a baby should be raised by a man and a woman.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yes, lets ban everything and every way of thinking that doesn't line up with the oh so tolerant liberals.
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intolerance of intolerance...

you think i care what this doctor *think*?? Don't make me laugh. It's his refusal to treat a baby that comes across as beyond the pale, yet you defend it like it's just another bigot street preacher

This is exactly why your side has lost
 
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CRUE CAB said:
like most people, think a baby should be raised by a man and a woman.
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No, that's just you projecting
 
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americanwoman said:
If you are so religious that it's going to interfere with your work, then maybe you should not get into a field where you have to deal with other people.
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DING DING DING DING!!!!

we have a winnner!!!

common sense at its finest

I have said many times, as a christian i would have to be a complete moron to think I get to work under special rules. I have to work under the SAME rules as ALL OF US.

If I'm that bigoted and uncivil to conduct myself properly in society than that makes me an idiot to open a business or go into a field where I'm going to put myself in situations I dont like and then cry about it.

ANd in other cases if I choose to break the law and make myself a criminal by ILLEGALLY discrimination that is also MY fault.
 
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I don't know of any religious belief (from any religion) that would prevent a doctor from treating a newborn baby.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.
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depending on the situation they do not have that right. nobody does
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yes, lets ban everything and every way of thinking that doesn't line up with the oh so tolerant liberals.
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who is banning thinking? LOL talk about just making up lies
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
I read exactly what you wrote, it was quite clear and unambiguous. It's not my fault that you never read the Hippocratic Oath to know all that you demand of physician behaviour. At no time did the baby not have access to care and I'm sure that Dr. Karam is just as qualified.

There are no laws or medical code of ethics that support your position so you reach out to the ancient text of the Hippocratic Oath (but only for those parts you think support your views and discard the rest).
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Have you ever taken the oath or have you at least seen anyone do so? Of course not. How would you feel if you were denied treatment? Where would you draw the line?
 
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sangha said:
I don't know of any religious belief (from any religion) that would prevent a doctor from treating a newborn baby.
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me neither . . . .
 
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