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Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108 mill

Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

why don't you ask for the person who made the silly statement for proof. Or does that silliness of claiming privatization (which runs against what apparently you support-more and more government control over every thing) will lead to middle class poverty is something you support?

you made a claim. I want proof.


step up your game, hack.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

I care because some people think he's fit to run MY NATION.
It's not your nation though, which is too bad. You'd probably have made a fine Democrat President..
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

It's not your nation though, which is too bad. You'd probably have made a fine Democrat President..

I'm a citizen. So go sit on a rusty chainsaw.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

I'm a citizen. So go sit on a rusty chainsaw.

You have the left-wing gift for clever repartee as well. You'd make a marvelous representative.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Privatizing is less costly ergo less taxes ergo more money and jobs for the middle class to fill.

No, privatizing is far more costly to the user which is why your ilk generally calls them "moochers" or "takers" as Mittens said.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Thats the worst example. usps should be disbanded

No. It shouldn't. And it is a fantastic example.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

It is. its also a money sink that is ineffective. I avoid the usps if at all possible.

It's not a money sink at all. It is profitable when the GOP isn't trying to destroy it. It doesn't run off one cent of taxes. It runs off stamp sales. It's in the red financially because the GOP pushed through mandatory retirement funding where they had to fund 75 years of retirement in like... a handful of years. This starts them off billions in the hole every year before the first letter is delivered. THAT is why they are in the red. Without that ludicrous requirement... they are waaaayyyyy in the black.

Yet another example of how republicans say "gubmint don't work" and then get in charge and run it with the purpose to make sure it doesn't.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

It's not a money sink at all. It is profitable when the GOP isn't trying to destroy it. It doesn't run off one cent of taxes. It runs off stamp sales. It's in the red financially because the GOP pushed through mandatory retirement funding where they had to fund 75 years of retirement in like... a handful of years. This starts them off billions in the hole every year before the first letter is delivered. THAT is why they are in the red. Without that ludicrous requirement... they are waaaayyyyy in the black.

Yet another example of how republicans say "gubmint don't work" and then get in charge and run it with the purpose to make sure it doesn't.



they also ignore how usps is the last mile vendor for USPS and FEDEX in rural areas.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

they also ignore how usps is the last mile vendor for USPS and FEDEX in rural areas.

First and last mile they like to say. They also do pickups for UPS and FEDEX quite often.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

First and last mile they like to say. They also do pickups for UPS and FEDEX quite often.

in a sick funny way, it would be great if USPS went away.

imagine rural GOP voters faces come December when the "market" rate to send those stupid family newsletter christmas cards to eachother is revealed to be $13.99
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

It's not a money sink at all. It is profitable when the GOP isn't trying to destroy it. It doesn't run off one cent of taxes. It runs off stamp sales. It's in the red financially because the GOP pushed through mandatory retirement funding where they had to fund 75 years of retirement in like... a handful of years. This starts them off billions in the hole every year before the first letter is delivered. THAT is why they are in the red. Without that ludicrous requirement... they are waaaayyyyy in the black.

Yet another example of how republicans say "gubmint don't work" and then get in charge and run it with the purpose to make sure it doesn't.

Absurd claims.

U.S. GAO - U.S. Postal Service: Action Needed to Address Unfunded Benefit Liabilities

GAO has previously reported that without congressional action to address USPS's benefit funding issues and better align its costs and revenues, USPS faces continuing low liquidity levels, insufficient revenues to make annual prefunding payments, and increasing liabilities. Deferring funding could increase costs for future postal ratepayers and increase the possibility that USPS may not be able to pay for these costs. GAO has previously identified the following key considerations related to USPS's funding of its benefits liabilities:

• Reasons for prefunding include fairly allocating costs between current and future ratepayers, protecting USPS's future viability, providing greater benefit security to employees and retirees, and protecting potential third parties.

• Prefunding decisions involve trade-offs between USPS's current financial condition and its long-term prospects.

• Congress needs to modify USPS's retiree health prefunding payments in a fiscally responsible manner, and USPS should prefund any unfunded retiree- health benefits liability to the maximum extent that its finances permit.

• Lowering the retiree health funding target from 100 to 80 percent would have the effect of carrying a permanent unfunded liability.

• USPS liabilities are estimated using assumptions for the federal workforce as a whole, rather than USPS-specific assumptions. GAO supports the use of the most accurate actuarial assumptions available, and if USPS-specific assumptions are used, that they be recommended by an independent body.


Why GAO Did This Study

USPS continues to be in a serious financial crisis, with insufficient revenue to cover its expenses and financial obligations as the volume of USPS's most profitable product, First-Class Mail, continues to decline. At the end of fiscal year 2013, USPS had about $100 billion in unfunded liabilities: $85 billion in unfunded liabilities for benefits, including retiree- health, pension, and workers' compensation liabilities, and $15 billion in outstanding debt to the U.S. Treasury—the statutory limit. These unfunded liabilities are a large and growing financial burden, increasing from 83 percent of USPS revenues in fiscal year 2007 to 148 percent of revenues in fiscal year 2013. Unfunded benefit liabilities represent estimated future benefit payments to current and retired employees for which USPS has not set aside sufficient money to pay. This testimony discusses (1) the extent to which USPS's benefit liabilities are unfunded and (2) the potential impacts of USPS's unfunded benefit liabilities absent action by Congress to address them and key policy issues for consideration. This testimony is based primarily on GAO's work over the past 4 years and updated USPS financial information for fiscal year 2013.​
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

in a sick funny way, it would be great if USPS went away.

imagine rural GOP voters faces come December when the "market" rate to send those stupid family newsletter christmas cards to eachother is revealed to be $13.99

It would definitely kill rural and small town businesses.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Absurd claims.

U.S. GAO - U.S. Postal Service: Action Needed to Address Unfunded Benefit Liabilities

GAO has previously reported that without congressional action to address USPS's benefit funding issues and better align its costs and revenues, USPS faces continuing low liquidity levels, insufficient revenues to make annual prefunding payments, and increasing liabilities. Deferring funding could increase costs for future postal ratepayers and increase the possibility that USPS may not be able to pay for these costs. GAO has previously identified the following key considerations related to USPS's funding of its benefits liabilities:

• Reasons for prefunding include fairly allocating costs between current and future ratepayers, protecting USPS's future viability, providing greater benefit security to employees and retirees, and protecting potential third parties.

• Prefunding decisions involve trade-offs between USPS's current financial condition and its long-term prospects.

• Congress needs to modify USPS's retiree health prefunding payments in a fiscally responsible manner, and USPS should prefund any unfunded retiree- health benefits liability to the maximum extent that its finances permit.

• Lowering the retiree health funding target from 100 to 80 percent would have the effect of carrying a permanent unfunded liability.

• USPS liabilities are estimated using assumptions for the federal workforce as a whole, rather than USPS-specific assumptions. GAO supports the use of the most accurate actuarial assumptions available, and if USPS-specific assumptions are used, that they be recommended by an independent body.


Why GAO Did This Study

USPS continues to be in a serious financial crisis, with insufficient revenue to cover its expenses and financial obligations as the volume of USPS's most profitable product, First-Class Mail, continues to decline. At the end of fiscal year 2013, USPS had about $100 billion in unfunded liabilities: $85 billion in unfunded liabilities for benefits, including retiree- health, pension, and workers' compensation liabilities, and $15 billion in outstanding debt to the U.S. Treasury—the statutory limit. These unfunded liabilities are a large and growing financial burden, increasing from 83 percent of USPS revenues in fiscal year 2007 to 148 percent of revenues in fiscal year 2013. Unfunded benefit liabilities represent estimated future benefit payments to current and retired employees for which USPS has not set aside sufficient money to pay. This testimony discusses (1) the extent to which USPS's benefit liabilities are unfunded and (2) the potential impacts of USPS's unfunded benefit liabilities absent action by Congress to address them and key policy issues for consideration. This testimony is based primarily on GAO's work over the past 4 years and updated USPS financial information for fiscal year 2013.​

Right there in your opening paragraph:

GAO has previously reported that without congressional action to address USPS's benefit funding issues and better align its costs and revenues, USPS faces continuing low liquidity levels, insufficient revenues to make annual prefunding payments, and increasing liabilities​

That is exactly what I just addressed. The retirement prefunding puts them in the red before the year starts. My claims are accurate and you just helped prove it.

1. The USPS is not technically “broke” — yet.

Operationally speaking, the USPS nets profits every year. The financial problem it faces now comes from a 2006 Congressional mandate that requires the agency to “pre-pay” into a fund that covers health care costs for future retired employees. Under the mandate, the USPS is required to make an annual $5.5 billion payment over ten years, through 2016. These “prepayments” are largely responsible for the USPS’s financial losses over the past four years and the threat of shutdown that looms ahead – take the retirement fund out of the equation, and the postal service would have actually netted $1 billion in profits over this period.

linkypoo...
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Right there in your opening paragraph:

GAO has previously reported that without congressional action to address USPS's benefit funding issues and better align its costs and revenues, USPS faces continuing low liquidity levels, insufficient revenues to make annual prefunding payments, and increasing liabilities​

That is exactly what I just addressed. The retirement prefunding puts them in the red before the year starts. My claims are accurate and you just helped prove it.

1. The USPS is not technically “broke” — yet.

Operationally speaking, the USPS nets profits every year. The financial problem it faces now comes from a 2006 Congressional mandate that requires the agency to “pre-pay” into a fund that covers health care costs for future retired employees. Under the mandate, the USPS is required to make an annual $5.5 billion payment over ten years, through 2016. These “prepayments” are largely responsible for the USPS’s financial losses over the past four years and the threat of shutdown that looms ahead – take the retirement fund out of the equation, and the postal service would have actually netted $1 billion in profits over this period.

linkypoo...

I think I'll take the full explanation of facts regarding the USPS over PBS.

You know, these reasons I posted from their report:

Reasons for prefunding include fairly allocating costs between current and future ratepayers, protecting USPS's future viability, providing greater benefit security to employees and retirees, and protecting potential third parties.

• Prefunding decisions involve trade-offs between USPS's current financial condition and its long-term prospects.

• Congress needs to modify USPS's retiree health prefunding payments in a fiscally responsible manner, and USPS should prefund any unfunded retiree- health benefits liability to the maximum extent that its finances permit.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

I think I'll take the full explanation of facts regarding the USPS over PBS.

You know, these reasons I posted from their report:

Reasons for prefunding include fairly allocating costs between current and future ratepayers, protecting USPS's future viability, providing greater benefit security to employees and retirees, and protecting potential third parties.

• Prefunding decisions involve trade-offs between USPS's current financial condition and its long-term prospects.

• Congress needs to modify USPS's retiree health prefunding payments in a fiscally responsible manner, and USPS should prefund any unfunded retiree- health benefits liability to the maximum extent that its finances permit.

The GAO is trying to find a way for the USPS to financially choke down this republican nightmare bill that's trying to kill it. Sooo.... cherry pick all you want, the facts are the facts. Without that stupid GOP prefunding mandate the USPS is very profitable. That's just the facts.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The GAO is trying to find a way for the USPS to financially choke down this republican nightmare bill that's trying to kill it. Sooo.... cherry pick all you want, the facts are the facts. Without that stupid GOP prefunding mandate the USPS is very profitable. That's just the facts.

:lamo

Uh. No. That is not what they put in their report. I guess people can ignore and cherry pick the very clear points they presented in their report, but that doesn't change the facts, no matter how much people kick and scream.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

:lamo

Uh. No. That is not what they put in their report. I guess people can ignore and cherry pick the very clear points they presented in their report, but that doesn't change the facts, no matter how much people kick and scream.

Yes it is what they put in their report and I pointed it out to you. They were specifically stating that big moves had to be made to be able to fund the prefuding mandates. I showed you this and now you are acting like it didn't exist when it was what YOU posted. Facts are the facts.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The GAO is trying to find a way for the USPS to financially choke down this republican nightmare bill that's trying to kill it. Sooo.... cherry pick all you want, the facts are the facts. Without that stupid GOP prefunding mandate the USPS is very profitable. That's just the facts.

No. Without it all the USPS is doing is kicking insolvency down the road. Why do ypu think not payong your bills is smart economically?
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

No. Without it all the USPS is doing is kicking insolvency down the road. Why do ypu think not payong your bills is smart economically?

They aren't just simply paying bills. They are paying today projected bills 75 years from now. Big difference.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Yes it is what they put in their report and I pointed it out to you. They were specifically stating that big moves had to be made to be able to fund the prefuding mandates. I showed you this and now you are acting like it didn't exist when it was what YOU posted. Facts are the facts.


Ok, then I'm a bit confused to the interpretation your trying to push.

The GAO pointed out that the future business model of the USPS showed fewer employees and dwindling sales. At the same time the USPS was refusing to address the growing time bomb of unfunded pension liabilities. The accelerated funding was to insure future obligations could be met as the USPS got smaller in size and fewer employees could be counted on to meet pension obligations. Rationally, that's evident to everyone considering the impact of the internet and email.

Further, to push the "they are profitable" is to ignore the massive unfunded liabilities that remain in the face of continued shift away from the primary services the USPS provides. It is disingenuous for someone to suggest a company is profitable when it's not meeting it's financial obligations, and as it gets smaller, won't have a problem meeting them in the future.

So what exactly did the Republicans do that isn't reflected in the GAO report and I seem to be missing from your posts?
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Ok, then I'm a bit confused to the interpretation your trying to push.

The GAO pointed out that the future business model of the USPS showed fewer employees and dwindling sales. At the same time the USPS was refusing to address the growing time bomb of unfunded pension liabilities. The accelerated funding was to insure future obligations could be met as the USPS got smaller in size and fewer employees could be counted on to meet pension obligations. Rationally, that's evident to everyone considering the impact of the internet and email.

Further, to push the "they are profitable" is to ignore the massive unfunded liabilities that remain in the face of continued shift away from the primary services the USPS provides. It is disingenuous for someone to suggest a company is profitable when it's not meeting it's financial obligations, and as it gets smaller, won't have a problem meeting them in the future.

So what exactly did the Republicans do that isn't reflected in the GAO report and I seem to be missing from your posts?

The accelerated funding was Republicans trying to hamstring the USPS. The mandate is ridiculous. The GAO was simply saying "since this mandate is now in place, the USPS needs to focus on how to fund it."

I was a postman once for a short while and I realize the slowdown of the mail because they do a mail audit every year which is why I don't work there anymore because you have to be a temp for several years before you get a route and after a mail audit they redesign the routes and due to the slow down my hours got cut from 40/week to 8/week because of consolidated routes.

That being said the USPS is still very profitable without that stupid mandate. And parcel service is on the rise. I deal with UPS and FEDEX every day and they are telling me how Amazon is really boosting the workload. And that Amazon Groceries of all things is really starting to expand in their deliveries. Boosted their workload this year so much that they didn't do any post seasonal layoffs here.

Lots of mail order stuff getting big these days.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The accelerated funding was Republicans trying to hamstring the USPS. The mandate is ridiculous. The GAO was simply saying "since this mandate is now in place, the USPS needs to focus on how to fund it."

I was a postman once for a short while and I realize the slowdown of the mail because they do a mail audit every year which is why I don't work there anymore because you have to be a temp for several years before you get a route and after a mail audit they redesign the routes and due to the slow down my hours got cut from 40/week to 8/week because of consolidated routes.

That being said the USPS is still very profitable without that stupid mandate. And parcel service is on the rise. I deal with UPS and FEDEX every day and they are telling me how Amazon is really boosting the workload. And that Amazon Groceries of all things is really starting to expand in their deliveries. Boosted their workload this year so much that they didn't do any post seasonal layoffs here.

Lots of mail order stuff getting big these days.

Or the GOP trying to keep the USPS from imploding and forcing the tax payers to pick up the slack. Which we all know is what you not only don't mind but think should happen and further are upset the GOP moved to delay or prevent that.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Or the GOP trying to keep the USPS from imploding and forcing the tax payers to pick up the slack. Which we all know is what you not only don't mind but think should happen and further are upset the GOP moved to delay or prevent that.

Hardly. It's a classic GOP starve the beast move as usual. Government works and when it works, it erodes the main premise of the GOP which is "gubmint doesn't work". Not only does the USPS stand in the way of their idiot government ideology it is also one of the biggest unions out there which they are intent on destroying. History and facts are on my side. Speculation is on yours.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Hardly. It's a classic GOP starve the beast move as usual. Government works and when it works, it erodes the main premise of the GOP which is "gubmint doesn't work". Not only does the USPS stand in the way of their idiot government ideology it is also one of the biggest unions out there which they are intent on destroying. History and facts are on my side. Speculation is on yours.

Yes it works sooo welll there's a number that says you're wrong. 18 trillion.
 
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