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Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

rcart76 said:
It's not what I would like them to know. It's what they should know before condemning a whole religion as evil.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.Wayne Dyer
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The passages in the Koran referring to actions to be taken against non-Muslims are often mentioned and easily discovered. There are many stats available concerning the attitudes of Muslims towards terrorists on Pew research.

Everyone knows by now that Not All Muslims Are Terrorists.
 
MMC said:
Mornin EB.:2wave: Christianity was forced to clean up their own Heretics. It should be no different for those that allegedly lead this one.
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Not sure, but where in the bible does it assert that Christians should 'slay all infidels'?
 
Frantz Fanon said:
The War Over U.S. War Crimes in Afghanistan Is Heating Up | Foreign Policy

List of US War Crimes

The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war
situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose
targets and victims are civilian populations, or what we now call
"collateral damage."

Japan (1945)
China (1945-46)
Korea & China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69)
Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-61)
Congo (1964)
Peru (1965)
Laos (1964-70)
Vietnam (1961-1973)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Grenada (1983)
Lebanon (1983-84)
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980s)
Nicaragua (1980s)
Iran (1987)
Panama (1989)
Iraq (1991-2000)
Kuwait (1991)
Somalia (1993)
Bosnia (1994-95)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
Pakistan (1998)
Yugoslavia (1999)
Bulgaria (1999)
Macedonia (1999)
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Those are "Christian" attacks??? Have you examined any of these incidents before blindly copying them from the Internet?
 
Grant said:
Those are "Christian" attacks??? Have you examined any of these incidents before blindly copying them from the Internet?
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No more than any of the list of "Muslim" attacks.
 
Frantz Fanon said:
I think you should spend some time on the link and far more time on the historical record. Perhaps the whole "One Nation Under God" thing was missed after all these years.

'propagandaness':lamo
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What is your point here? That Muslims have the right to rape children, behead innocents, shoot young boys for watching a football match and burn others alive because the US invaded Peru in the 60'S. This sort of ignorance is probably irreversible.
 
MMC said:
What part confuses you when those in the ME cross into that territory of our own interests Monte? Wherein they initiate the issue Monte. Do you always tuck tail and run? Do you always give up and let others run rampshod over you? How would you protect your people or interests when you are afraid to go out in the big bad world to play?

Let me guess.....those in the ME make a mean face hack up a few sounds, and all of a sudden you don't have a clue as to what to do. That's not a Foreign Policy Monte.....what you advocate is Submission to all others and don't do anything as it might upset the natives. Just let them do to us.

Now you know where that BS of yours really stands. :lamo
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Our oil interests. What about the interests of the citizens of the Middle East. They really don't give a damn about your interests, or US interests. They just want to see the fighting stop. At least under the leaders that the US removed from office, they knew what the hell to expect, and they knew how to get to the market and back. And we have an NIE that documents my position. Whereas your position is the same old partisan democrat=bad! republican=good.
 
Grant said:
What is your point here? That Muslims have the right to rape children, behead innocents, shoot young boys for watching a football match and burn others alive because the US invaded Peru in the 60'S. This sort of ignorance is probably irreversible.
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You and the other guy have a knack for making up arguments for me.

ISIS is not representative of the Muslim faith no matter how many times it can be argued. 1 BILLION Muslims in the world and ISIS hasn't cornered the market because the media says so.
 
Montecresto said:
Our oil interests. What about the interests of the citizens of the Middle East. They really don't give a damn about your interests, or US interests. They just want to see the fighting stop. At least under the leaders that the US removed from office, they knew what the hell to expect, and they knew how to get to the market and back. And we have an NIE that documents my position. Whereas your position is the same old partisan democrat=bad! republican=good.
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So it's still all about oil? Is that why Muslims chopped off the heads of Egyptian Christians?
 
Frantz Fanon said:
You and the other guy have a knack for making up arguments for me.

ISIS is not representative of the Muslim faith no matter how many times it can be argued. 1 BILLION Muslims in the world and ISIS hasn't cornered the market because the media says so.
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Everyone knows it is not 'representative' of the Muslims faith but it is a branch of the Muslim faith, right? What ISIS and others are doing can be supported by statements in the Koran, and they are following those demands.

There are similar demands made in the OT but the New Testament, which doesn't say anything about killing non-believers, is what Christians (hence the name) now follow.

If you want to defend Muslims you might try another tack than attacking Christians. This is not a religious war, at least from the non-Muslim perspective.
 
Frantz Fanon said:
You seem to have all the answers.

How about the US works with and for the interests of the Iraqi and Afghani people? Too vague?

Too bad.
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Is this a war against the USA? If so, why are Muslims also murdering non-Americans around the world?
 
Frantz Fanon said:
You seem to have all the answers.

How about the US works with and for the interests of the Iraqi and Afghani people? Too vague?

Too bad.
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So you have nothing, thanks for wasting my time, I wish you would have been upfront about this.
 
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Grant said:
So it's still all about oil? Is that why Muslims chopped off the heads of Egyptian Christians?
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And that has exactly what to do with MMC's comment about "US Interests" in the region.
 
Montecresto said:
Our oil interests. What about the interests of the citizens of the Middle East. They really don't give a damn about your interests, or US interests. They just want to see the fighting stop. At least under the leaders that the US removed from office, they knew what the hell to expect, and they knew how to get to the market and back. And we have an NIE that documents my position. Whereas your position is the same old partisan democrat=bad! republican=good.
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No mine had nothing to do with parties.....mine had to do with US FP. Oh and Oil isn't our only interests.

So why deflect when it was clearly stated about actions initiated by those in the ME Monte? Actions and behaviors that that align them against us. Again, Monte.....Initiated by those in the ME.

Which means anything the US does.....is in response.

Note how you little issue about parties means nothing with this point. It just means other countries doing something to screw with us. Which none in either party would accept your way of Submission and don't stir up the natives, when it is response time.
 
US Conservative said:
Obama just had a "terrorism summit" where he couldn't say the words islamic terror as if thats not the real problem. If he does not think they are "real muslims" why do are they allowed to observe strict muslim religious rights in jail? Why is their food halal?

You may not like it-but this is just a very literal interpretation of Islam they are adhering to, and its not confined to one locality-its a legitimate-if not extreme sect of Islam, just like fundamentalists or elsewhere.
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I'm all for our elected figureheads coming out and saying that what ISIS believes in is a perversion of Islam. The Muslims I know are probably best described as pacifists. They are as pious and nonviolent as any religious-oriented person I've ever known. What many of these terrorist organizations do - and yes, they are Islamic terrorist organizations - is maneuver themselves into positions of power for their own benefit. They want to be the dominant political force in the region. Drawing people in with Islam and claiming that their members are fighting a holy war is what appeals to these very misled and troubled young people who grow up in areas overrun with violence and corruption.

ISIS adheres to a legitimate form of Islam just as the Westboro Baptist Church adheres to a legitimate form of Christianity. Both are cults that use religion to draw people in, the difference is that ISIS uses brutality to set themselves up to be power players on a global scale.

But all that aside, the claim that Obama didn't use the word "Islam" is a lie and illustrates how misled you are on the issue. The far right spin is that Obama is appeasing terrorists, and that's complete garbage.
 
Grant said:
Everyone knows it is not 'representative' of the Muslims faith but it is a branch of the Muslim faith, right? What ISIS and others are doing can be supported by statements in the Koran, and they are following those demands.

There are similar demands made in the OT but the New Testament, which doesn't say anything about killing non-believers, is what Christians (hence the name) now follow.

If you want to defend Muslims you might try another tack than attacking Christians. This is not a religious war, at least from the non-Muslim perspective.
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It's not a branch of the Muslim faith either.
 
Grant said:
Is this a war against the USA? If so, why are Muslims also murdering non-Americans around the world?
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We've moved on to the rhetorical question part of the show apparently.

If you are a Muslim you are not murdering innocent people despite all the neat little internet memes are pimping these days.
 
US Conservative said:
The abuse is from all sides, and it indicates he's a stubborn and naive fool.
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The US has Muslim allies in the ME and needs them to fight against ISIS. But you want Obama to alienate over one billion Muslims and start a crusade against Islam because of a few radical jihadi i's running amuck in the desert? Really?



Sending an army to kill a few mice just makes the US look foolish and weak. Been there, done that.
 
Frantz Fanon said:
We've moved on to the rhetorical question part of the show apparently.

If you are a Muslim you are not murdering innocent people despite all the neat little internet memes are pimping these days.
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Well I'm pleased to hear you're a member of the more peaceful branch of Islam. Sort of like the New Testament Christian but without the New part.
 
Frantz Fanon said:
We've moved on to the rhetorical question part of the show apparently.

If you are a Muslim you are not murdering innocent people despite all the neat little internet memes are pimping these days.
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define "innocent"...

because Im not buying it... what you are saying is Muslims are ok with others in society being "dhimmis" and second class...
 
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