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Libya’s Islamist militia strike from the sky

Ockham said:
Perhaps but it's also two other things:
- It's a fact
- It's funny as hell how afraid this WH is of words
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My two things of note here:

- Its not a fact
- Coming from a GOP supporter that is hilarious. A party that has hired the likes of Frank Luntz to go to war with the dictionary. So bad that Republicans can't even say "democratic" among a zillion other words because Republicans have to follow their word smythed doctrine/smear campaign.
 
Montecresto said:
I know you've only known me for a year and a half. But truly, I opposed the A-Stan war, the Iraq war, any support for the overthrow of Mubarak, the overthrow of Gaddafi, and any support for the overthrow of Assad. And have predicted what your posting, the entire time. Anecdotally, back in the 80's I was discussing the things that I thought could hugely damage, even bring down the United States with a client at the time that was in his eighties, he was a 33rd degree in the Masonic organisation, and retired from the CIA (don't know how much that influenced what he told me, if at all) and he said David (a DBA name) your full of ****, the fall of America is going to be a result of conflicts between Christians and Muslims. And I thought, but didn't say, dude, you're senile.
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Ockham said:
Perhaps but it's also two other things:
- It's a fact
- It's funny as hell how afraid this WH is of words
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You do know that in the last year of the Bush administration that the same language you want Obama to use, was expunged from their rhetoric, don't you?
 
poweRob said:
Obama lemmings. Funny. It's a Fox noise meme to bitch about Obama not calling them Islamist terrorists.
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really?

Then why are there more posts like yours than people making an issue out of it?

If it's only Fox News, which the lemmings say no one listens too, then why all the outrage over the outrage? Why all the insults and demanding proof of this and that? Why is it so important to argue crusades, slavery and all the other White House talking points?

If its only a Fox News thing and is only a right "meme", then why are you here defending Obama's twisted history?
 
US Conservative said:
Shocking.
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It is shocking. Have I let you down?
I should have been reading up on Obama between midnight and 6 am when everyone else is sleeping. I am so lazy at times.
PS-Fun aside, got a link?
 
poweRob said:
My two things of note here:

- Its not a fact
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Did Obama say Islamic Terrorist as it applies to Syria and ISIS then? Can you post a link please.

poweRob said:
- Coming from a GOP supporter that is hilarious. A party that has hired the likes of Frank Luntz to go to war with the dictionary.
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You're argument is so lame that you have to go to who someone hired by the GOP. Who is Frank Luntz? :lamo

poweRob said:
So bad that Republicans can't even say "democratic" among a zillion other words because Republicans have to follow their word smythed doctrine/smear campaign.
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Ahh... an item for Obama's "fight the smears" campaign! Coming from a far left progressive hack post like yours - no surprises. Nothing changes - WH is still afraid of words and cannot name their enemy. Still funny!
 
JANFU said:
And Egypt has more than enough resources to go in and kick ass as they say. It is right on their border. They have a well equipped military. Let them along with the UAE and others do some wet work, get their hands dirty.
Saudi would foot the bill.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=maps...niv&sa=X&ei=Ez_qVNC3LrWTsQTVu4Jg&ved=0CCgQsAQ
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Egypt wants an Air Strike Coalition.....France and Italy want someone on the ground. This is what the French said they were doing back in Oct of last year. Havent heard much on their success.


France is moving troops toward the Libyan border within weeks and, along with U.S. intelligence, is monitoring al-Qaida arms shipments to Africa's Sahel region, a top French military official said Thursday. A French base will go up within weeks in a desert outpost 100 kilometers (60 miles) from the lawless Libyan border region overrun by Islamic militants, the official said on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

U.S. intelligence is helping French troops "a lot," he said.

About 50 French troops will be permanently based in northern Niger and they could be reinforced very quickly by the French and Niger military when necessary, in order to be "able to crisscross the zone up to the border and hamper as much as possible the traffic route", he said. France's strategy "reflects the changing threat," said Francois Heisbourg, a French analyst at the Foundation for Strategic Research think tank in Paris. "That's the cost of the success: while (French and U.N. troops) managed to undermine the permanent establishment of terrorists in northern Mali ... they withdraw and went to northern Niger and southern Libya.".....snip~

French moving troops toward Libyan border
 
Montecresto said:
You do know that in the last year of the Bush administration that the same language you want Obama to use, was expunged from their rhetoric, don't you?
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Don't care and a very nice strawman it is! One would think with Obama being so cerebral and smart, he'd have figured out your strawman years ago and would have corrected Bush's awful language mistake.
 
JANFU said:
It is shocking. Have I let you down?
I should have been reading up on Obama between midnight and 6 am when everyone else is sleeping. I am so lazy at times.
PS-Fun aside, got a link?
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“We discourage other nations from taking a part in Libya’s issues through violence,” Kirby said. “We want the issues solved in Libya to be done peacefully and through good governance and politics and not violence.”
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Pentagon: Egypt, UAE Attacking Islamists in Libya Differs From US Bombing ISIS in Iraq | CNS News

http://www.redflagnews.com/headline...is-in-retaliation-for-slaughter-of-christians
 
JANFU said:
And Egypt has more than enough resources to go in and kick ass as they say. It is right on their border. They have a well equipped military. Let them along with the UAE and others do some wet work, get their hands dirty.
Saudi would foot the bill.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=maps...niv&sa=X&ei=Ez_qVNC3LrWTsQTVu4Jg&ved=0CCgQsAQ
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They will soon be fighting off their own Islamic terrorists so I suspect they're saving bullets for then.

What I'd like to know is what happens when ISIS hits the Saudi frontier?
 
Fearandloathing said:
really?

Then why are there more posts like yours than people making an issue out of it?

If it's only Fox News, which the lemmings say no one listens too, then why all the outrage over the outrage? Why all the insults and demanding proof of this and that? Why is it so important to argue crusades, slavery and all the other White House talking points?

If its only a Fox News thing and is only a right "meme", then why are you here defending Obama's twisted history?
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what are you talking about? No one I've seen says "no one listens to Fox". No one. You are making false assertions all over the place.
 
This is what can happen when the West chooses a side in a civil war...like NATO did during the Libyan Civil War. They change the landscape and usually bring chaos.

Say what you want about Ghadaffi and Hussein; they may have been brutal dictators. But, life in their countries is generally FAR worse since the West decided to overthrow the two of them.

Hey NATO? You are useless when it comes to the Middle East...leave it alone to work out it's own problems.

Offer humanitarian aid or peacekeepers. Otherwise, mind your own business.

Idiots.
 
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Ockham said:
Don't care and a very nice strawman it is! One would think with Obama being so cerebral and smart, he'd have figured out your strawman years ago and would have corrected Bush's awful language mistake.
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Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that you think that Bush was wrong to stop using that language, or that you like double standards?
 
Montecresto said:
Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that you think that Bush was wrong to stop using that language, or that you like double standards?
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My point: Your comment was a strawman and the current WH should have corrected any mistakes given they are so intelligent. *gag*
 
MMC said:
Egypt wants an Air Strike Coalition.....France and Italy want someone on the ground. This is what the French said they were doing back in Oct of last year. Havent heard much on their success.


France is moving troops toward the Libyan border within weeks and, along with U.S. intelligence, is monitoring al-Qaida arms shipments to Africa's Sahel region, a top French military official said Thursday. A French base will go up within weeks in a desert outpost 100 kilometers (60 miles) from the lawless Libyan border region overrun by Islamic militants, the official said on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

U.S. intelligence is helping French troops "a lot," he said.

About 50 French troops will be permanently based in northern Niger and they could be reinforced very quickly by the French and Niger military when necessary, in order to be "able to crisscross the zone up to the border and hamper as much as possible the traffic route", he said. France's strategy "reflects the changing threat," said Francois Heisbourg, a French analyst at the Foundation for Strategic Research think tank in Paris. "That's the cost of the success: while (French and U.N. troops) managed to undermine the permanent establishment of terrorists in northern Mali ... they withdraw and went to northern Niger and southern Libya.".....snip~

French moving troops toward Libyan border
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The French Military can move quick when they want to. Look at Mali.
And after Gaddafi, a **** locker full of weapons went everywhere. Estimated that 20 K man pack went missing
Nightmare in Libya: Thousands of Surface-to-Air Missiles Unaccounted For - ABC News

Then the base issues of wealth distribuition, who is & how the Govt is inclusive of the major tribal regions, rule of law, allocations of oil wealth all have to be worked on.
 
Ockham said:
My point: Your comment was a strawman and the current WH should have corrected any mistakes given they are so intelligent. *gag*
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I'm not arguing that this WH is intelligent! I'm trying to figure out if you think Bush should never have stopped using the language, and that Obama should not stop either. Or if you just like double standards.
 
Fearandloathing said:
They will soon be fighting off their own Islamic terrorists so I suspect they're saving bullets for then.

What I'd like to know is what happens when ISIS hits the Saudi frontier?
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Well like anything take to big boys out, then tend to the rest, nest by nest. But in the end a political situation has to be concluded.
 
poweRob said:
OK... Story title:

Libya’s Islamist militia strike from the sky​



Quite a disconnect there sport.
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A disconnect?

WTF?

Militia cannot be terrorist? And based on a six word headline?

Look, the prime minister of Britain this week called them "Islamic Terrorists", as has the president of France, and Canada's Stephen Harper, all of whom are far more qualified to lead than Obama on his best day. I call them Islamic Terrorists along with **** offs and misfits, murderous scum, and deranged Islamists.

I am going to continue to call them that as will, I suspect the more honest world leaders and much of the rest of the world.

You and Obama are simply going to have to accept that ans quit whining.

A real leader would be assuring the American people that one day and soon, you will not be losing anymore instead of creating straw men over what to call slithering misfits and sub humans who are hacking the heads off babies and burning people alive in the name of alah.

FFS, I thought progressives valued human life. Not from what we see here. It's all about image and labels, and Obama, of course. It always must be about Obama. he sees to that
 
Montecresto said:
I'm not arguing that this WH is intelligent!
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You should be instead of making up strawmen.

Montecresto said:
I'm trying to figure out if you think Bush should never have stopped using the language, and that Obama should not stop either. Or if you just like double standards.
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What year do you think it is? Bush is the strawman. Do you need me to explain why it's a strawman or do you just like trying to draw others into debating logical fallacies?

How about you explain why the WH cannot utter the two words the left whines about is a Fox meme.
 
JANFU said:
The French Military can move quick when they want to. Look at Mali.
And after Gaddafi, a **** locker full of weapons went everywhere. Estimated that 20 K man pack went missing
Nightmare in Libya: Thousands of Surface-to-Air Missiles Unaccounted For - ABC News

Then the base issues of wealth distribuition, who is & how the Govt is inclusive of the major tribal regions, rule of law, allocations of oil wealth all have to be worked on.
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Yeah, the CIA had them over in the Benghazi annex, smuggling them through Turkey to the al Qaeda, al Nusra, MB infested opposition fighters in Syria.
 
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