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Libya’s Islamist militia strike from the sky

Montecresto said:
Stop licking on each other as though that's what's important. Are you an American? Do you care about what's good for America? Or is your ****ing party all that matters, hmm?
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Im registered as an independent, am a conservative, and usually vote republican. Whats important here is military action and thats determined by POTUS.
What else should I be discussing?
 
US Conservative said:
Im registered as an independent, am a conservative, and usually vote republican. Whats important here is military action and thats determined by POTUS.
What else should I be discussing?
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You always vote republican because your nose is up that ass. Military action is precisely what needs to be avoided at this moment. So no, discussing peace, and stability is what we need here, not more talk of hostilities.
 
Montecresto said:
You always vote republican because your nose is up that ass. Military action is precisely what needs to be avoided at this moment. So no, discussing peace, and stability is what we need here, not more talk of hostilities.
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And how would talking of peace be complete without discussing the politicians that would enable such a thing?

BTW I AM FOR PEACE-but its going to take a bullet to the face of ISIS.
 
Montecresto said:
You always vote republican because your nose is up that ass. Military action is precisely what needs to be avoided at this moment. So no, discussing peace, and stability is what we need here, not more talk of hostilities.
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So when did you vote for a Republican Monte?
 
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I must admit, Obama made one hell of an asinine mistake. First, following the example of what his warmongering mentor, Dubya did in Iraq, he exacerbated the ME strife by overthrowing Quadaffi which plunged the area deeper into chaos which led to the rise of more terrorists. In a recent article put out by The Intercept entitled; Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite, author Glenn Greenwald wrote;

"From the start, it was glaringly obvious that all of this was, at best, wildly premature. As I wrote the day after Gadaffi fled, the Democratic claims of vindication were redolent in all sorts of ways of war hawk boasting after Saddam was captured, and were just as irrational: “the real toll of this war (including the number of civilian deaths that have occurred and will occur) is still almost entirely unknown, and none of the arguments against the war (least of all the legal ones) are remotely resolved by yesterday’s events.”

Since 2011, Libya has rapidly unraveled in much the way Iraq did following that invasion: swamped by militia rule, factional warfare, economic devastation, and complete lawlessness. And to their eternal shame, most self-proclaimed “humanitarians” who advocated the Libya intervention completely ignored the country once the fun parts — the war victory dances and mocking of war opponents — were over. The feel-good “humanitarianism” of war advocates, as usual, extended only to the cheering from a safe distance as bombs dropped."​

Obama learned nothing from the failures of Bush and in a show of supreme egotism, along with his war-hawk democrats buddies, made the ME that much more bloodier and unsafe.
 
MMC said:
So when did you vote for a Republican Monte?
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I voted for Reagan twice, but please, don't tell anyone. I was young then.
 
Montecresto said:
I voted for Reagan twice, but please, don't tell anyone. I was young then.
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Ah.....well let me know when ya want to come back to whats Right. I think I can get ya back in at no cost. ;)
 
MMC said:
Ah.....well let me know when ya want to come back to whats Right. I think I can get ya back in at no cost. ;)
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Ok buddy, that's good to know your an insider, thanks for that.
 
:2bump: Here is some more info as to what ISIS in Libya has been up to.....they now hold two cities and most of Benghazi. They have also forced some of Ansar al Shariah to sign remittance and swear allegiance to the Islamic State.



Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores.

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Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks.Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.

- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR


- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
 
MMC said:
:2bump: Here is some more info as to what ISIS in Libya has been up to.....they now hold two cities and most of Benghazi. They have also forced some of Ansar al Shariah to sign remittance and swear allegiance to the Islamic State.



Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores.

392137_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg


Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks.Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.

- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR


- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
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Nothing like this was happening before Gaddafi was removed. There's an elephant in the corner.
 
Montecresto said:
Nothing like this was happening before Gaddafi was removed. There's an elephant in the corner.
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This is true.....and this time. The US can't be blamed for what the French and the Saud started, huh?
 
MMC said:
This is true.....and this time. The US can't be blamed for what the French and the Saud started, huh?
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It doesn't happen without the US.
 
Montecresto said:
It doesn't happen without the US.
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Doesn't ever take place if France doesn't file the Resolution in the UN and become the first to recognize the Libyan Rebels Officially. Without telling the US they were going to do it.

So how do you get around that Monte?
 
MMC said:
Doesn't ever take place if France doesn't file the Resolution in the UN and become the first to recognize the Libyan Rebels Officially. Without telling the US they were going to do it.

So how do you get around that Monte?
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Why would I try to get around that, I don't deny the french's lead in Libya. What do you want me to do about France and Saudi Arabia dude. I'm an American, and it can't even influence my fellows making decisions and executing foreign policy here. Have I not told you a half dozen times before that as an American citizen who lives and works and votes and pays taxes in America, that I'm concerned with what America does, hmm? If you think you can make an impression on France and Saudi Arabia, knock yourself out, I'll sponsor you. (where do I send the check) but in the meantime, I want the US to STOP doing the wrong thing.
 
MMC said:
:2bump: Here is some more info as to what ISIS in Libya has been up to.....they now hold two cities and most of Benghazi. They have also forced some of Ansar al Shariah to sign remittance and swear allegiance to the Islamic State.



Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores.

392137_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg


Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks.Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.

- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR


- See more at: ISIS militants find a strategic foothold in chaotic Libya | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
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this is new.
ISIL moving on Tripoli, and the continuing influx of foreign fighters, where before they were at least Libyan militias
 
annata said:
this is new.
ISIL moving on Tripoli, and the continuing influx of foreign fighters, where before they were at least Libyan militias
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Yep and moving about freely.....it seems.
 
Grant said:
Which is scarier? Obama knowing what would happen in Libya or Obama not knowing what would happen in Libya?
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Which is scarier, a Canadian that thinks we give a ****, or a Canadian that doesn't know where he lives, or the name of his prime minister?
 
Grant said:
Which is scarier? Obama knowing what would happen in Libya or Obama not knowing what would happen in Libya?
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I would say we have the Answer Grant.....like most other areas of Foreign Policy. BO just doesn't know to much and what is showing is.....he never did in the first place.
 
US Conservative said:
Chad has a pretty decent military, certainly by African standards. Hopefully they dont let it go.
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I don't know anything about Chad except and checking its location on a map, sandwiched between Libya and Nigeria, both now under serious threat by Islamists. This from Wiki.
While many political parties are active, power lies firmly in the hands of President Déby and his political party, the Patriotic Salvation Movement. Chad remains plagued by political violence and recurrent attempted coups d'état. Chad is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the world; most inhabitants live in poverty as subsistence herders and farmers. Since 2003, crude oil has become the country's primary source of export earnings, superseding the traditional cotton industry.
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And further investigation showed others have concern. Chad's President Warns of Islamist Threat in Libya - WSJ

France's Hollande warns of Islamist threat in West Africa | Reuters
 
MMC said:
Lets hope those in Syria or Iraq can't get any of their stolen military tech to those in Libya. Like choppers or an Assad Mig.
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Doubtful they have the support personnel let alone able to maintain aircraft with parts to be much of a threat. It takes a lot to support fighter aircraft.
 
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