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Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.

Really?

Please cite the published parameters on which this largess is being applied.

His buddies?

His supporters?

The rich?

And by what legal process has Obama established these parameters.

As usual your arguments are ultra vires, irrelevant and lame
 
You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.

Then they all fail! As they entered the country illegally. Thanks for siding with us PB.
 
How does he know, you're kidding right? He knows when the alien applies for the status.

Immigration knows somebody applied. Tell me exactly how they verify anything - from, say Costa Rica. They don't have a freaking clue. Hell, Costa Rica doesn't have a clue. They're just glad whomever it might be is gone from their soil. You can't possibly be this naive. Tell me you're not. Please. These administration officials are the some one's that trusted these people to report, and guess what happened? They don't know where nearly 90% of them are. You're dreaming. They'll probably pop back up on radar when the tax refunds are being passed out. I'll give ya that.
 
You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce.
That's a load of BS and you know it. He's picking and choosing what to enforce - which by definition in the legal world is called prosecutorial discretion.
 
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.​

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

That's a load of BS and you know it. He's picking and choosing what to enforce - which by definition in the legal world is called prosecutorial discretion.

You are exactly right, that's what he is doing. Thanks!
 
Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.

Your last statement is correct. But neither a court nor an officer takes it upon themselves to issue an edict that all speeding infractions under a certain limit of speeding are dismissed. Perhaps all bank robberies committed by individuals who are "crime free" should be ignored. I can hear it now "your Honour, I'm crime free except for that other crime we don't count anymore, so I should go free, right?"
 
You are exactly right, that's what he is doing. Thanks!

Again, no. Prosecutorial discretion only deals with the decision to prosecute, or not. It would not give them legal status.
 
I especially like the Admin's reasoning that they have been granted the authority by Congress and the Courts to use discretion as to how the Laws are applied.
The Judge said bull****, you're ignoring the Law.

He also noted something I had been wondering about.
Obama keeps saying if Congress would only act He<sic> wouldn't have to.
That sure as hell implies Obama is taking actions he knows he's not entitled to, and has even said so many many times..


Awesome point
 
You are exactly right, that's what he is doing. Thanks!

however prosecutorial discretion is always on a case by case basis. Obama didn't do that which is why the court is going to have no choice but to overturn his
EO. he doesn't have the power to do what he did. that is why we have a constitution to prevent him from doing exactly that.
which is give them legal status. he doesn't have the authority to do that.
 
Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.

List the prosecutions and when they were initiated.

Again you are comparing individual discretion against blanket policy. The cop who busts you for speeding has the discretion to let you off for REASON. Like your wife is giving birth and you need to get to the hospital, or whatever. A cop can decide to not prosecute for marijuana possession for many reasons based on the facts of THAT particular incident involving that particular set of circumstances.

It is not a blanket pardon.

You still have not provided Obama's alleged parameters as published...and when you say "Obama says" I hear wind whistling though a coal mine, they man says a lot and very, very little of that is even reality...."If you like your plan..." kind of makes the words out of his mouth into a kind of head fart
 
List the prosecutions and when they were initiated.

Again you are comparing individual discretion against blanket policy. The cop who busts you for speeding has the discretion to let you off for REASON. Like your wife is giving birth and you need to get to the hospital, or whatever. A cop can decide to not prosecute for marijuana possession for many reasons based on the facts of THAT particular incident involving that particular set of circumstances.

It is not a blanket pardon.

You still have not provided Obama's alleged parameters as published...and when you say "Obama says" I hear wind whistling though a coal mine, they man says a lot and very, very little of that is even reality...."If you like your plan..." kind of makes the words out of his mouth into a kind of head fart

Here you go F&L:

Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.

Transcript: Obama’s immigration speech
 
Here you go F&L:

Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.

Transcript: Obama’s immigration speech

Except that's NOT prosecutorial discretion. That is amnesty. Even if you believe the "temporarily" part of what he says, and we know he lies like a rug.
 

Did you even read that?

When is Prosecutorial Discretion Used in Immigration Enforcement? ▲

Prosecutorial discretion may be exercised at any stage of an immigration case. Specifically, prosecutorial discretion may be exercised when deciding whether to: issue a detainer; initiate removal proceedings; focus enforcement resources on particular violations or conduct; stop, question, or arrest a particular person; detain or release someone on bond, supervision, or personal recognizance; settle or dismiss a removal case; stay a final order of removal; pursue an appeal; and/or execute a removal order. Examples of the favorable exercise of prosecutorial discretion in the immigration context include a grant of deferred action; a decision to terminate or administratively close removal proceedings; a stay of removal; or a decision not to issue a charging document in the first place.

not only does it apply ONLY to individual cases on the merits of each case, but there is no forbearance of future or ongoing crime.
 
The Justice Dept. plans to waste even more tax payer's money by appealing this ruling to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Obama seems more interested in working with despots and others who threaten the USA than he does his own Congress or our allies.


Federal judge temporarily blocks Obama's immigration executive action

I'm sorry but "commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system" is a legislative action constitutionally reserved only to Congress. Maybe the emperor should read/respect Article II, Section 3, Clause 5 "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and Article II, Section 3, Clause 2 "recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient". You'd think he was familiar with these areas of the Constitution.

The only thing I trust less than the presidency is the judiciary.
 
Here you go F&L:

Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.

Transcript: Obama’s immigration speech

I ask for the published documentation on the parameters of the amnesty program and you give the text of a speech by the most dishonest and decietful politician in the US!


Perhaps you missed it when I wrote that what Obama "says" is about as relevant as dog **** on a hamburger..

Obama has also said "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan", "I learned about it on TV just like you", "it was a spontaneous demonstration", "I will close Gitmo", "Mine will be the most open and accountable administration in United States history", and other favorites....

So, don't present me with words from the single most deceitful man in the US government as proof of anything more than Obama can read a teleprompter and lie with absolute conviction......

He made law here, where the **** is it?
 
It's good to see Obama get kicked in the balls (or whatever passes for balls) with this ruling.
 
I ask for the published documentation on the parameters of the amnesty program and you give the text of a speech by the most dishonest and decietful politician in the US!


Perhaps you missed it when I wrote that what Obama "says" is about as relevant as dog **** on a hamburger..

Obama has also said "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan", "I learned about it on TV just like you", "it was a spontaneous demonstration", "I will close Gitmo", "Mine will be the most open and accountable administration in United States history", and other favorites....

So, don't present me with words from the single most deceitful man in the US government as proof of anything more than Obama can read a teleprompter and lie with absolute conviction......

He made law here, where the **** is it?
Hey F&L, if you don't like what I gave you well.......................... tough ****!
 
:agree: We do not have a broken immigration system. What is broken is the enforcement of our immigration laws! How stupid does Obama think we are?

65 Million people voted for him in 2012 despite an iffy 1st term. That tells him that there are plenty of stupid people out there willing to believe whatever horse**** he spouts.
 
Hey F&L, if you don't like what I gave you well.......................... tough ****!

It's not like or not like, but whether you could back up your claims...and failed.

I get it that your pride is hurt by being outed and you have to be rude to me, but in the end this is no more than another of a few million exchanges where the Obama worshiping left cannot make its case other than bull**** and blather.

If you don't like the fact your president is a huge bull****ter then take it up with him, not the people who have to point it out to you by elaborate means like this.

Please have a good day.
 
Here you go F&L:
Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.

Transcript: Obama’s immigration speech

Who defines temporarily?
 
Thank God! Hitlery is like, "oh ****"

Tim-
 
Supreme Court here it comes.
 
WTF? !! He is choosing who to prosecute based on what laws are valid and worthy of his support? All laws are valid or no one would have to obey any of them! Care to revise your statement, since it doesn't make sense?

The issue is whether the executive order is a policy directive, or the issuance of a regulation, which defines but, In addition tot he 90 day comment period, Congress can void the regulation, (2/3 Vote)within a certain time period. Obama does not want to give the Republican Congress the chance to void his proclamation, which he calls an executive directive.

"illegal immigration has been blocked by a federal district judge in Texas.

Technically, the temporary injunction issued by U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen does not address the constitutionality of Obama’s executive order; instead, it finds that the Obama administration did not fulfill the requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act for 90 days of public notice and comment before the change was made.

However, in a long memo released with the injunction, Hanen made it clear that he believes the administration has overreached. As he bluntly puts it, illegal immigrants affected by the program “all fall into a category for removal, and no congressionally enacted statute gives the (Department of Homeland Security) the affirmative power to turn DAPA recipients’ illegal presence into a legal one. … The DHS secretary is not just rewriting the laws; he is creating them from scratch.”

Federal judge blocks Obama immigration plan | Jay Bookman

" Congressional Review Act (5 U.S.C. § 801-808), was enacted by the United States Congress as section 251 of the Contract with America Advancement Act of 1996 (Pub.L. 104–121), also known as the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996 (SBREFA). The law allows Congress to review, by means of an expedited legislative process, new federal regulations issued by government agencies and, by passage of a joint resolution, to overrule a regulation.[1]

For the regulation to be invalidated, the Congressional resolution of disapproval either must be signed by the President, or must be passed over the President's veto by two-thirds of both Houses of Congress.[2]

The law requires that any agency promulgating a covered rule must submit a report to each House of Congress and to the Comptroller General that contains a copy of the rule, a concise general statement describing the rule (including whether it is a major rule), and the proposed effective date of the rule. A covered rule cannot take effect if the report is not submitted.[3]"

Congressional Review Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia











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Supreme Court here it comes.

of course it will go to the SCOTUS. because Obama will have to appeal it to there because I don't see the appeals court reversing it.
prosecution discretion is allowed on a case by case basis. what is not allowed is blanket amnesty and the issueing of work permits etc... to all of
these people which is what he did.

he overstepped his bounds and knows he did it. he will get smacked down just like he has been smacked down before over his overreaching attempt to grab power.
for a guy that is suppose to be a constitutional lawyer I don't know how he passed. probably why he won't release his grades.

of course he showed his ignorance in this during his first election.

Obama administration has lost two-thirds of Supreme Court cases - Washington Times
that is hugely bad. he shouldn't be losing that many cases. ol yea he constantly violates the constitution which is why.

13 of those cases have been 9-0 against him. just wow.
 
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