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Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

Our best policy is containment. Lock them into the Mid East, Wack any threats that leave the region, and let the Mid East leaders deal with it. This is why the nsa is so large.
 
PoS said:
Who created ISIS?

If someone creates a monster and that monsters goes on a rampage is it just the monster's fault?
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Radical Islamists created ISIS. No amount of wishful America hating will change that.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I don't believe there is a direct link between this group in Lybia and ISIS as there hasn't been any operational cooperation between the two that I know of yet. This has more in common with a copycat situation than anything else.



Or when liberals and progressive stop blocking us from utilizing the natural resources, to their full extent, that we have in North America.
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Mornin Buddha.
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Yes, there is a direct link to the Original Source. Its not like Bo peep and the lost sheep hasn't known.




On a chilly night, bearded militants gathered at a stage strung with colorful lights in Darna, a Mediterranean coastal city long notorious as Libya's center for jihadi radicals. With a roaring chant, they pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. With that meeting 10 days ago, the militants dragged Darna into becoming the first city outside of Iraq and Syria to join the "caliphate" announced by the extremist group. Already, the city has seen religious courts ordering killings in public, floggings of residents accused of violating Shariah law, as well as enforced segregation of male and female students. Opponents of the militants have gone into hiding or fled, terrorized by a string of slayings aimed at silencing them.

A number of leading Islamic State militants came to the city from Iraq and Syria earlier this year and over a few months united most of Darna's multiple but long-divided extremist factions behind them. They paved the way by killing any rivals, including militants, according to local activists, former city council members and a former militant interviewed by The Associated Press. They all spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their lives. The vow of allegiance in Darna gives the Islamic State group a foothold in Libya, an oil-rich North African nation whose central government control has collapsed in the chaos since the 2011 ouster and death of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.....snip~

How a Libyan city joined the Islamic State group
 
countryboy said:
Radical Islamists created ISIS. No amount of wishful America hating will change that.
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Really? So our Iraqi invasion and Libyan interventions had no factor in creating ISIS? Every historian disagrees with you.
 
annata said:
ISIS affiliates are following the AQ affiliates idea of franchising.
That doesn't mean operational coordination, anymore then AQAP coordinates with AQ Core (i.e.)

They pledge to Baghdadi ( the caliph ibrahim) they follow much of the same type of terrorism, and I'm sure they would follow the same
type of "state" ( governing) like they do in Syria if given the chance.

Right now there are only a small groups in the Sinai, Libya/ maybe a few more spotty affiliates,
but they don't have any power like ISIL Proper.
Libya is on the way to being a complete failed state.so we'll see what happens.. The "Islamists" there have their own divisions.
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Well they have that to AT. ;)



Islamic State In Libya: ISIS Establishing Training Camps In East Of Restive Country, Says US General

A U.S. general has said that the Islamic State group has set up training camps in eastern Libya, where “a couple of hundred” fighters are undergoing military training, according to reports.


Islamic State In Libya: ISIS Establishing Training Camps In East Of Restive Country, Says US General
 
PoS said:
Really? So our Iraqi invasion and Libyan interventions had no factor in creating ISIS? Every historian disagrees with you.
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Like I give a **** what liberal "historians" think. I realize personal responsibility is alien to you libs, but nevertheless, it does exist.
 
PoS said:
Who created ISIS?

If someone creates a monster and that monsters goes on a rampage is it just the monster's fault?
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I believe the founders of isis. The Mid East is like a choose your own adventure game. You want megalomaniac homicidal dictators with wmds (in a lovely gas form) or radical jihadists who think running a drill through a child's head is going to win them a lifetime achievement medal and an all expenses paid trip to paradise? You could have either. Or both.

The Mid East is a cluster of cluster somethings. No matter who turns the pages in that adventure booklet, you get violence and bloodshed. The only solution is scorched earth. The best we can do is kill the ones who come at us, and punish the ones who want to fight for that hell hole by leaving them there. B
 
PoS said:
Really? So our Iraqi invasion and Libyan interventions had no factor in creating ISIS? Every historian disagrees with you.
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Mornin Pos. :2wave: No the French were responsible for Libya and tricking Rice with Clinton, to get us to go in on our the plan of helping to remove the Thorn that was sticking in the Saud's side. Gadhafi and his United States of Africa.

Moreover AQIL was responsible, along with some Baathists which were responsible for its creation.
 
countryboy said:
Like I give a **** what liberal "historians" think. I realize personal responsibility is alien to you libs, but nevertheless, it does exist.
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So anyone who disagrees with you is a "lib" even though they arent? Talk about delusional. :roll:

stonewall50 said:
I believe the founders of isis. The Mid East is like a choose your own adventure game. You want megalomaniac homicidal dictators with wmds (in a lovely gas form) or radical jihadists who think running a drill through a child's head is going to win them a lifetime achievement medal and an all expenses paid trip to paradise? You could have either. Or both.

The Mid East is a cluster of cluster somethings. No matter who turns the pages in that adventure booklet, you get violence and bloodshed. The only solution is scorched earth. The best we can do is kill the ones who come at us, and punish the ones who want to fight for that hell hole by leaving them there. B
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I'll take a dictator who values his own life over a bunch of religious fanatics who are willing to die for an imaginary god anytime.

MMC said:
Mornin Pos. :2wave: No the French were responsible for Libya and tricking Rice with Clinton, to get us to go in on our the plan of helping to remove the Thorn that was sticking in the Saud's side. Gadhafi and his United States of Africa.

Moreover AQIL was responsible, along with some Baathists which were responsible for its creation.
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Hi, MMC. Im pretty sure Clinton wanted to go in even without the French. And if the French did trick her then she's a pretty gullible woman.
 
nota bene said:
A video released on Sunday by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State terror group purports to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages.

...The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome." Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading Christian hostages | Fox News

Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
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Watched "Kingdom of Heaven" last evening. When the Muslims won a battle, they would cutoff heads and put them in a big pile.

Still doing that today.
 
MMC said:
Say what Moot. :2wave: AQ and Ansar al Sharia were already in Libya long before Benghazi. Neither Issa nor Chaffetz have anything to do with them gaining a foothold in Libya.
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Hey, MMC. During the uprising, the rebels asked for NATO help. That's why the US was there and later to help with the transition. It's unfortunate that our Ambassador and a few others were killed, but the operation to secure the area in Benghazi could have still continued on if your guys in congress hadn't politicized it and made a mess of the entire operation. Once the CIA were exposed they had to pull out before they could finish the job and there hasn't been a US presence in Libya since. So what do you care if AQ and Ansar al Sharia are gaining a foothold in Libya as long as you and the right wing can make Obama look bad?
 
PoS said:
So anyone who disagrees with you is a "lib" even though they arent? Talk about delusional. :roll:


I'll take a dictator who values his own life over a bunch of religious fanatics who are willing to die for an imaginary god anytime.


Hi, MMC. Im pretty sure Clinton wanted to go in even without the French. And if the French did trick her then she's a pretty gullible woman.
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You can check it out thru the UN Pos. Look up how many Resolutions Filed by the French against Libya and Gadhafi. Oh, and actually they did trick Clinton but it was Rice's Fault.

As the French surprised all by Recognizing the Libyan Rebels as the Official Ruling government. While Gadhafi still remained. Susan Rice was in the UN that day and got played and tricked. Causing Hillary to recan't something she has said thru her friends of Syria Meeting. Which is why you had some stories come up about Rice and her relationship with Hillary as opposed to Bilbo.
 
nota bene said:
A video released on Sunday by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State terror group purports to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages.

...The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome." Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading Christian hostages | Fox News

Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
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Unfortunately barbarism isn't limited to the Muslim world. We ourselves seemed to, in pockets at least, relish the torture, burning alive, cutting off testicles of black men less than 100 years ago. We as a country did a great job of tolerating that within our own country, something we have never really faced and acknowledged.

So be careful simply condemning others barbarism, because we have our own closet full of horrors, and i guarantee you they were all good church going Christians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiyQFG6uHgg
 
Moot said:
Hey, MMC. During the uprising, the rebels asked for NATO help. That's why the US was there and later to help with the transition. It's unfortunate that our Ambassador and a few others were killed, but the operation to secure the area in Benghazi could have still continued on if your guys in congress hadn't politicized it and made a mess of the entire operation. Once the CIA were exposed they had to pull out before they could finish the job and there hasn't been a US presence in Libya since. So what do you care if AQ and Ansar al Sharia are gaining a foothold in Libya as long as you and the right wing can make Obama look bad?
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Well Moot, some of the Rebels were former Gadhafi people and the Other was The Former King's relatives of Gadhafi's Rival Berber tribe Who Gadhafi had removed from power. Oh and in the beginning Moot we didn't recognize the Libyan Rebels. The French and the Brits were the first in and behind closed doors, and dropped it on the Security Counsel.

General Petraeus testified that We had been aware of AQ and Ansar al Sharia the year prior to the Benghazi attacks.

Oh and you are aware that it was Team Lost Sheep of the BO Peep that hired Ansar al Sharia as Security for Benghazi. Now just how did they do that Moot?

Knowing damn well that the founder and Creator of Ansar al Sharia was none other than Bin Laden's Driver. You weren't going to say that Team BO.....didn't know that, now.....were you?


Benghazi was never secure after Gadhafi was killed. Only time.....was when Hillary went and paid the visit. Due to all the added and Upgraded temp security all for her wannabe royalness.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Or when liberals and progressive stop blocking us from utilizing the natural resources, to their full extent, that we have in North America.
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Frack away under your house, not mine (and liberals and progressives are not the ones that are blocking us from utilizing our most abundant natural resource--sunlight--for energy.
 
WCH said:
Watched "Kingdom of Heaven" last evening. When the Muslims won a battle, they would cutoff heads and put them in a big pile.

Still doing that today.
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During the 16th century, the Brits were beheading and putting severed heads on spikes all along the London Bridge.


I can't say they're doing that today ....except that the guy cutting off heads in the ISIS videos is British.
 
MMC said:
Well Moot, some of the Rebels were former Gadhafi people and the Other was The Former King's relatives of Gadhafi's Rival Berber tribe Who Gadhafi had removed from power. Oh and in the beginning Moot we didn't recognize the Libyan Rebels. The French and the Brits were the first in and behind closed doors, and dropped it on the Security Counsel.

General Petraeus testified that We had been aware of AQ and Ansar al Sharia the year prior to the Benghazi attacks.

Oh and you are aware that it was Team Lost Sheep of the BO Peep that hired Ansar al Sharia as Security for Benghazi. Now just how did they do that Moot?

Knowing damn well that the founder and Creator of Ansar al Sharia was none other than Bin Laden's Driver. You weren't going to say that Team BO.....didn't know that, now.....were you?


Benghazi was never secure after Gadhafi was killed. Only time.....was when Hillary went and paid the visit. Due to all the added and Upgraded temp security all for her wannabe royalness.
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I didn't say Benghazi was secure. I said that was why the CIA were there and if the right wing hadn't politicized the operation there might be a consulate there today.

"...Ansar al-Sharia was formed during the Libyan Civil War and rose to prominence after the killing of Muammar Gaddafi..."
Ansar al-Sharia (Libya) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They were just a small grass roots militia. Not any more, eh? The CIA mission was to secure the area for diplomats by disarming the local militias. The constant attention on Benghazi probably lured every wannabe jiiadists in Africa to the area.
 
Moot said:
During the 16th century, the Brits were beheading and putting severed heads on spikes all along the London Bridge.


I can't say they're doing that today ....except that the guy cutting off heads in the ISIS videos is British.
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Vlad the Impaler did the same. Not sure if it's designed to frighten, intimidate or demoralize your opponent.
 
Moot said:
I didn't say Benghazi was secure. I said that was why the CIA were there and if the right wing hadn't politicized the operation there might be a consulate there today.

"...Ansar al-Sharia was formed during the Libyan Civil War and rose to prominence after the killing of Muammar Gaddafi..."
Ansar al-Sharia (Libya) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They were just a small grass roots militia. Not any more, eh? The CIA mission was to secure the area for diplomats by disarming the local militias. The constant attention on Benghazi probably lured every wannabe jiiadists in Africa to the area.
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Moot said:
Libya was secular before the uprising and there's still a large secular population there. Benghazi isn't the disease, Al Qaeda and ISIS are. Allowing them to get a foothold is the problem and that might not have happened if Sen. Chaffetz and Sen. Issa hadn't exposed the CIA compound(s) on national tv.
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They already had the foothold in Libya.....also you said the security could have continued with the CIA. But then you forgot the Libyans Knew what Business was being conducted. So to did Ansar al Sharia and AQ.


Oh, and yes the branch in Libya started then.....but here is it Origins, and its real beginning.


The naming trend actually started in Yemen, when al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the powerful and ambitious local al Qaeda branch, established the front group Ansar al-Sharia in Yemen in April 2011. It is possible this was born out of Osama bin Laden's musings over whether to rebrand al Qaeda. None of the names in the documents captured from the late al Qaeda leader's compound mentioned Ansar al-Sharia as a potential example, however. More recently, one of the preeminent global jihadi ideologues, Shaykh Abu al-Mundhir al-Shinqiti, put his stamp of approval on the new wave of Ansar al-Sharia groups.

Shinqiti, who is of Mauritanian origin, published an article in mid-June titled "We Are Ansar al-Sharia," calling Muslims to establish their own dawa (missionary) Ansar al-Sharia groups in their respective countries and then to unite into one conglomerate. It should be noted that most of the Ansar al-Sharia groups were already created beforehand. The most prominent of these organizations are the ones in Yemen, Tunisia, and Libya, along with newer versions in Egypt and Morocco to a lesser extent.

The rise of these Ansar al-Sharia groups points to an end of al Qaeda's unipolar global jihad of the past decade and a return to a multipolar jihadosphere, similar to the 1990s. One key difference, however, is that jihadi groups are now more ideologically homogenous -- in the 1990s, jihadis thought locally and acted locally, while many now talk globally and act locally. These newer groups are also more interested in providing services and governance to their fellow Muslims.....snip~

Know Your Ansar al-Sharia - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
 
WCH said:
Vlad the Impaler did the same. Not sure if it's designed to frighten, intimidate or demoralize your opponent.
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I think it's meant to do all three and to remind people what happens to them if they break the laws...or even if they don't. I've been reading that it was the Protestant Reformation that brought Christianity out of the dark ages and into the enlightenment period aka modern world. So perhaps a Reformation is what Islam needs, too.
 
nota bene said:
A video released on Sunday by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State terror group purports to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages.

...The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome." Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading Christian hostages | Fox News

Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
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I don't seem to recall any Christians being beheaded in Syria when president Assad had full operational control of Syria. Yet again we see that US policy has led to a crises that just conveniently, for a few, warmongers, the MIC, and the fringe right, could lead to further US military intervention.
 
WCH said:
Vlad the Impaler did the same. Not sure if it's designed to frighten, intimidate or demoralize your opponent.
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I think her point was................................
 
PoS said:
Really? So our Iraqi invasion and Libyan interventions had no factor in creating ISIS? Every historian disagrees with you.
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it was the "perfect storm" you take out a dictator, and the most powerful factions take over -even with their shifting alliances.
Same thing in Syria, the secular Islamists ( so called moderates) can't stand up to religious fanaticism as a motivator

It is. and was. Salafi Jihad Salafi jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
PoS said:
Hi, MMC. Im pretty sure Clinton wanted to go in even without the French. And if the French did trick her then she's a pretty gullible woman.
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Bingo. we have a winner.
And this woman is leading the pack for the next president of the US? :shock:

No way,no how will I ever support her, she is an utter failure -that and her 'Friends with Syria" meddling ,
and her "reset" button with Russian FM Lavrov means she isn't qualified to be a DC dogcatcher
 
annata said:
it was the "perfect storm" you take out a dictator, and the most powerful factions take over -even with their shifting alliances.
Same thing in Syria, the secular Islamists ( so called moderates) can't stand up to religious fanaticism as a motivator

It is. and was. Salafi Jihad Salafi jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It can be the other way around, too. You can take out a perfectly democratic government and install a right wing dictator, as was the case with several Latin American countries, and have an equally "perfect storm".
 
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