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...for possible showdown with ISIS


As Congress mulls America's war with the Islamic State terror group, more than 4,000 Fort Carson soldiers prepared Thursday to leave for Kuwait, where they will take over as America's largest ground force in the troubled region.

The 3rd Brigade Combat Team bid farewell to the post in a ceremony and soon will serve as U.S. Central Command's Reserve force in the Middle East - the first soldiers into battle if a major combat force is used to battle Islamic State fighters.

The unit is Fort Carson's heaviest force, armed with tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Many of its soldiers are veterans of one or more of the brigade's four combat tours in Iraq.

"We're no strangers to deployment," the brigade's commander, Col. Greg Sierra, told a crowd gathered for the ceremony.

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After the ceremony, Sierra said the brigade's training regimen readied soldiers for a range of missions from humanitarian relief to nonstop combat.

"We are prepared for any contingency," he said.

Sierra's soldiers are getting a long weekend with their families before they head out. The colonel gave the families reassurance that if his brigade tangles with Islamic State fighters, the outcome won't be in doubt.

"In the end, if we do get into fights, we win decisively," he said.

Fort Carson brigade headed to Kuwait for possible showdown with ISIS
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If you are interested in a history of the Brigade, you can read about them here: Fort Carson | 4th Infantry Division


So..."no boots on the ground", eh? Sounds like Obama is having a change of heart. Or maybe he's trying to scare ISIS a bit. I don't know, but I don't think those radical Islamists are the type to scare easily.

In any event, if Obama decides to send these guys into combat, I hope to god he doesn't hold them back. These guys will kick ass and take names if he lets them.
 
Mycroft said:
...for possible showdown with ISIS




If you are interested in a history of the Brigade, you can read about them here: Fort Carson | 4th Infantry Division


So..."no boots on the ground", eh? Sounds like Obama is having a change of heart. Or maybe he's trying to scare ISIS a bit. I don't know, but I don't think those radical Islamists are the type to scare easily.

In any event, if Obama decides to send these guys into combat, I hope to god he doesn't hold them back. These guys will kick ass and take names if he lets them.
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Sounds more like heavy support operations for convoys and the like. If we were going after them hard, you would see deployments out of Bragg and Benning
 
I sure wish Americans woukd stop the bickering and shooting down the CIC and actually stand behind their president, country and troops. If I was the enemy I would take glee in the constant second guessing and disrespect of our president. It could contribute to their brazen behavior.

As far as holding them back once they are committed, do you see any precedence for that? Just because he is hesitant to put American lives on the line doesn't mean he won't support them when needed.
 
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Declan said:
Sounds more like heavy support operations for convoys and the like. If we were going after them hard, you would see deployments out of Bragg and Benning
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The 10th Special Forces are in Fort Carson. May be linked?
 
Declan said:
Sounds more like heavy support operations for convoys and the like. If we were going after them hard, you would see deployments out of Bragg and Benning
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Oh???

And why do you think any Combat Brigade from Bragg or Benning would be more effective than the 3rd ABCT from Carson?

Believe me, they have the equipment, the training and the experience to do more than protecting convoys.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
The 10th Special Forces are in Fort Carson. May be linked?
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Doubtful since this is a planned deployment.

Mycroft said:
Oh???

And why do you think any Combat Brigade from Bragg or Benning would be more effective than the 3rd ABCT from Carson?

Believe me, they have the equipment, the training and the experience to do more than protecting convoys.
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This is a scheduled deployment that has been in the works for a year. Whether or not they could be effective is not really relevant as to a "... possible showdown with ISIS". I am familiar with Carson. One of my cousins was posted there during both his trips--one OIF and one OEF.
 
Declan said:
This is a scheduled deployment that has been in the works for a year. Whether or not they could be effective is not really relevant as to a "... possible showdown with ISIS". I am familiar with Carson. One of my cousins was posted there during both his trips--one OIF and one OEF.
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shrug...

You haven't explained why a unit from Bragg or Benning would be more effective.


In regard to how familiar you are with Carson...and about your cousin...that's irrelevant. But if it makes any difference to you, I live across the Interstate from Ft. Carson...I was stationed at Ft. Carson...and I was deployed to the Gulf War while under 4th Infantry Division command. The 4ID combat patch is the last of the five combat patches I earned the right to wear during my military career.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

You haven't explained why a unit from Bragg or Benning would be more effective.


In regard to how familiar you are with Carson...and about your cousin...that's irrelevant. But if it makes any difference to you, I live across the Interstate from Ft. Carson...I was stationed at Ft. Carson...and I was deployed to the Gulf War while under 4th Infantry Division command. The 4ID combat patch is the last of the five combat patches I earned the right to wear during my military career.
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"Effective" and your location to the garrison are irrelevant. The 10th SF are oriented toward Europe, and the Contingency Corps is primarily Benning and Bragg. If something new is being done, it will be done out of those two places, not Carson.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I sure wish Americans woukd stop the bickering and shooting down the CIC and actually stand behind their president, country and troops. If I was the enemy I would take glee in the constant second guessing and disrespect of our president. It could contribute to their brazen behavior.
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Stand behind Obama on what? Saying ISIS is a JV team?

He has no foreign policy. What's to stand behind?

The Islamic radicals don't hate us for what we do, they hate us for who we are.

Tiptoeing around terrorists because you fear making them angry is cowardly.

EnigmaO01 said:
As far as holding them back once they are committed, do you see any precedence for that? Just because he is hesitant to put American lives on the line doesn't mean he won't support them when needed.
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Sure, can't wait to see the rules of engagement.
 
Declan said:
"Effective" and your location to the garrison are irrelevant.
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Oh...I agree my location is irrelevant...as is your connection through your cousin.

The 10th SF are oriented toward Europe,
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Where they are oriented is irrelevant since they have conducted many operations in the Middle East.

and the Contingency Corps is primarily Benning and Bragg. If something new is being done, it will be done out of those two places, not Carson.
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Ahhh...the Contingency Corps, more properly known as XVIII Airborne Corps, is a rapid deployment force. They are important, but their use doesn't preclude the 3rd ACBT being used as well...especially since they will already be in the region.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I sure wish Americans woukd stop the bickering and shooting down the CIC and actually stand behind their president, country and troops. If I was the enemy I would take glee in the constant second guessing and disrespect of our president. It could contribute to their brazen behavior.

As far as holding them back once they are committed, do you see any precedence for that? Just because he is hesitant to put American lives on the line doesn't mean he won't support them when needed.
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If the enemy is taking any glee, it is a result of Obama's actions to date. Let's face it, he isn't known for putting the full force of our military into play...anywhere. And, as far as precedence for Obama holding our forces back...well, can you say Libya?
 
Mycroft said:
...for possible showdown with ISIS




If you are interested in a history of the Brigade, you can read about them here: Fort Carson | 4th Infantry Division


So..."no boots on the ground", eh? Sounds like Obama is having a change of heart. Or maybe he's trying to scare ISIS a bit. I don't know, but I don't think those radical Islamists are the type to scare easily.

In any event, if Obama decides to send these guys into combat, I hope to god he doesn't hold them back. These guys will kick ass and take names if he lets them.
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Who really ever doubted that we'd have both feet back in eventually? In fact, we've never stopped being operational in the region in one form or another.
 
Mycroft said:
If the enemy is taking any glee, it is a result of Obama's actions to date. Let's face it, he isn't known for putting the full force of our military into play...anywhere. And, as far as precedence for Obama holding our forces back...well, can you say Libya?
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I love the modern day of leaks in real time.

Over the weekend, a classified assessment of terrorism trends by U.S. intelligence agencies called the National Intelligence Estimate was leaked to the news media. In response, the Bush administration released additional material.

As more and more of the document has become unclassified, it has become clear that the intelligence community in this country has a stark assessment of the war in Iraq; namely, that the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has spawned a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the al-Qaida attacks of September 11, 2001.

Expert Assesses National Intelligence Estimate : NPR
 
Mycroft said:
If the enemy is taking any glee, it is a result of Obama's actions to date. Let's face it, he isn't known for putting the full force of our military into play...anywhere. And, as far as precedence for Obama holding our forces back...well, can you say Libya?
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Libya was a rounding success. A tyrant eliminated, full cooperation of NATO partners, and no causualties. Just like Clinton in Kosovo.

Now if you think we needed boots on the ground and occupation you're on your own. I see no reason we need our troops in that ****hole of a country.

And don't even start the Bengazi B.S. A republican panel found nothing. End of story.
 
Mycroft said:
If the enemy is taking any glee, it is a result of Obama's actions to date. Let's face it, he isn't known for putting the full force of our military into play...anywhere. And, as far as precedence for Obama holding our forces back...well, can you say Libya?
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We have a president that uses his head for a change and doesn't go charging in using our troops like cheap french whores fighting other people's battles.

And you keep forgetting the American public is war wary. Hell I bet the guys that got deployed 4 or 5 times to Iraq and Afghanistan are too! i know some damn good soldiers that didn't reenlist. They said enough is enough! I wanna stay married and see my kids grow up!
 
Mycroft said:
If the enemy is taking any glee, it is a result of Obama's actions to date. Let's face it, he isn't known for putting the full force of our military into play...anywhere. And, as far as precedence for Obama holding our forces back...well, can you say Libya?
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Well OBL was probably taking glee up into the end when he realzed his home had been breached and it was time to take out the mother****er. That was not under Bush's watch. He gave up on OBL and said he didn't care.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Libya was a rounding success. A tyrant eliminated, full cooperation of NATO partners, and no causualties. Just like Clinton in Kosovo.

Now if you think we needed boots on the ground and occupation you're on your own. I see no reason we need our troops in that ****hole of a country.

And don't even start the Bengazi B.S. A republican panel found nothing. End of story.
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No casualties huh, well I guess if **** heads from a ****hole don't count. Republicans liked the fact that Obama was smuggling weapons confiscated from Gaddafi's army out of the Benghazi annex via Turkey. In fact they wanted and still want him to do more. They're not going to be finding anything wrong at Benghazi, but bet your bottom dollar there will be those using it in the election cycle, and be just as certain that LIV will lap it up.
 
Declan said:
Sounds more like heavy support operations for convoys and the like. If we were going after them hard, you would see deployments out of Bragg and Benning
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A brigade combat team is a combined are unit. It's organized for battle: infantry, cavalry, armor, artillery and the support arms.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I sure wish Americans woukd stop the bickering and shooting down the CIC and actually stand behind their president, country and troops. If I was the enemy I would take glee in the constant second guessing and disrespect of our president. It could contribute to their brazen behavior.

As far as holding them back once they are committed, do you see any precedence for that? Just because he is hesitant to put American lives on the line doesn't mean he won't support them when needed.
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We're unpatriotic and hate the troops if we criticize Obama?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Libya was a rounding success. A tyrant eliminated, full cooperation of NATO partners, and no causualties. Just like Clinton in Kosovo.

Now if you think we needed boots on the ground and occupation you're on your own. I see no reason we need our troops in that ****hole of a country.

And don't even start the Bengazi B.S. A republican panel found nothing. End of story.
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Lol !!

Lybia was a success ? In what alternate reality could Lybia be classified as anything other than the cluster that it turned out to be ?

How many people did Isis behead in Lybia over the weekend ?
 
Montecresto said:
No casualties huh, well I guess if **** heads from a ****hole don't count. Republicans liked the fact that Obama was smuggling weapons confiscated from Gaddafi's army out of the Benghazi annex via Turkey. In fact they wanted and still want him to do more. They're not going to be finding anything wrong at Benghazi, but bet your bottom dollar there will be those using it in the election cycle, and be just as certain that LIV will lap it up.
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Yes ****heads from a ****hole don't count. Next!
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

Lybia was a success ? In what alternate reality could Lybia be classified as anything other than the cluster that it turned out to be ?

How many people did Isis behead in Lybia over the weekend ?
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The military action was.

So what do you want us to do occupy it?
 
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