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Does It Matter That Oregon's New Governor Is Bisexual?

Jerry said:
That's what I came to this thread to collect. I want to know what is causing this to even be an issue for discussion.


Not confused at all. If this is just her haveing feelings then there would be nothing to talk about. Since it's in the news then that means something happened which relates to her sexual preferences. Did she have a sexual relationship outside her marriage? Is a special interest group her key financial supporter? What?
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Maybe it was in her past. In past relationships.

And dont ask me why it matters! lol
 
paddymcdougall said:
a) you have no proof that she is having sex with anyone but her husband

b) many officeholders have committed adultery. A lot of them have lost their offices because of it. Others haven't. It's up to Oregon to decide
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b) yeah but I bet alot more havent. (I'm referring to cases when it came to public attention.)

Just my own speculation tho.
 
Thrilla said:
not gonna get into the details.. i don't care about them and already acknowledge it's bull****.

her sexuality doesn't matter... that's all there is to it, no more, no less.
it's neither a positive nor a negative attribute.. it's an irrelevant attribute.... that's my point.
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I was agreeing with you.
 
Jerry said:
Like what, exactly? No guesses, only fact. Links please.


I didn't.
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I was just suggesting. I have no idea. But I wouldnt assume that she was cheating either.

And I thought I was agreeing with you but I guess not.
 
Paxaeon said:
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I am bisexual and represent the extremely wide and diverse reality of bisexuality. Bisexuality, can be described at that which exists between the opposites of complete hetero and homo sexuality. That world is pretty well invisible as most people from both genders, reject their own bisexual proclivities...especially men.
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I dunno, it matters little as far as governing goes, besides it's Oregon for crying out loud. What I find interesting is that bi-sexuality does indeed disproportionately affect women way more than men, which is odd in the grand scheme of the sexual orientation, born or choice debate, but that aside, anyone that is bi-sexual past age 30, I find concerning, not because of their perceived sexuality, but the fact that they haven't seemed to examined themselves deeply enough. Again, I take my position based on the opinion that sexuality outside of heterosexuality is fluid in certain people for any number of reasons, but I am steadfast in the idea that as we are born, we are predisposed to a heterosexual orientation. Perhaps, past 30 someone is unable to make that choice, maybe the choice needs to come earlier before the prefrontal cortex has hard wired itself, who knows, but, most 30+ men have little patience for a female on-the-fence with it. ;)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
I dunno, it matters little as far as governing goes, besides it's Oregon for crying out loud. What I find interesting is that bi-sexuality does indeed disproportionately affect women way more than men, which is odd in the grand scheme of the sexual orientation, born or choice debate, but that aside, anyone that is bi-sexual past age 30, I find concerning, not because of their perceived sexuality, but the fact that they haven't seemed to examined themselves deeply enough. Again, I take my position based on the opinion that sexuality outside of heterosexuality is fluid in certain people for any number of reasons, but I am steadfast in the idea that as we are born, we are predisposed to a heterosexual orientation. Perhaps, past 30 someone is unable to make that choice, maybe the choice needs to come earlier before the prefrontal cortex has hard wired itself, who knows, but, most 30+ men have little patience for a female on-the-fence with it. ;)

Tim-
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Sort of academically posting this but if they're not in a committed relationship with anyone, why do they need to decide or even be concerned about who they are having sex with? Are they supposed to have the 'goal' of picking one or the other at some point? I imagine that depends on what someone wants out of life...maybe marry, maybe not, maybe have kids, maybe not, etc.
 
Hicup said:
most 30+ men have little patience for a female on-the-fence with it. ;)
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Purely anecdotal but I've never heard any man....in person or media or TV/movies say they are turned off by bi- women. Any conversation around that almost always leads to them only seeing it as opening the door to the possibility of that Holy Grail of threesomes. And men often say they like to watch lesbian sex.
 
Lursa said:
Purely anecdotal but I've never heard any man....in person or media or TV/movies say they are turned off by bi- women. Any conversation around that almost always leads to them only seeing it as opening the door to the possibility of that Holy Grail of threesomes. And men often say they like to watch lesbian sex.
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Men do like watching two women go at it, but not for the reasons you women think. For men, it purely math, two girls no guy means insert fantasy here. ;)

As for their own women, trust me, most committed men will have nothing of the sort. It's the same as cheating, and cheating is cheating, and matters little to whom they cheat with.


Tim-
 
JANFU said:
And the world did not end.
Does It Matter That Oregon's New Governor Is Bisexual? - Bloomberg Politics
On Friday afternoon, Gov. John Kitzhaber of Oregon resigned, and the Oregon secretary of state Kate Brown, also a Democrat, became the state governor. In an instant, Oregon had the first openly bisexual governor in American history.

For many of Gov. Brown’s constituents, this may mean little, because she is married to a man, and has been for many years. The adjective becomes easy to explain away, then; bisexuality is often dismissed as something made up, a risqué adolescent antic, something college girls do to impress boys. Last January, Lisa Diamond, a scholar of sexual orientation, told the reporter Michael Schulman that many people feel bisexuality “is a transitional stage or a form of being in the closet,” but that in fact it’s more common than strictly same-sex attraction.
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Baseball season will start soon. I'm excited. Does that answer the question?
 
Hicup said:
Men do like watching two women go at it, but not for the reasons you women think. For men, it purely math, two girls no guy means insert fantasy here. ;)

As for their own women, trust me, most committed men will have nothing of the sort. It's the same as cheating, and cheating is cheating, and matters little to whom they cheat with.


Tim-
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...unless they're cheating WITH him, if you know what I mean.
 
radcen said:
...unless they're cheating WITH him, if you know what I mean.
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Yeah, but ironically, when a man agrees to a threesome with your committed girlfriend, and someone the their girlfriend picks, it's almost always the girlfriend that sets the rules, and trust me, there's always rules, break them at your own peril. In my younger years, threesomes were a plenty (thank you, thank you very much. :) ) and it was always the girls who thought it was a great idea at the time, but soon came to realize that, maybe not so much. Unlike men, women are or have the capacity for jealousy ten-fold to what men do. As men get older we become less jealous, the reverse is true for women, and you can take that to the bank!


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Men do like watching two women go at it, but not for the reasons you women think. For men, it purely math, two girls no guy means insert fantasy here. ;)

As for their own women, trust me, most committed men will have nothing of the sort. It's the same as cheating, and cheating is cheating, and matters little to whom they cheat with.


Tim-
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I realize that, it's just double the turn on but then obviously be a lesbian isnt a turn off.

I wasnt talking about doing any kind of sexual activity outside of a committed relationship regarding men with their female partners. I'm asked why it matters if it was in their past? That's not cheating. And I asked why they need to decide anything if they arent in a committed relationship, regarding which sex they sleep with?
 
Lursa said:
Sort of academically posting this but if they're not in a committed relationship with anyone, why do they need to decide or even be concerned about who they are having sex with? Are they supposed to have the 'goal' of picking one or the other at some point? I imagine that depends on what someone wants out of life...maybe marry, maybe not, maybe have kids, maybe not, etc.
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I was wondering myself why he wants to lock everyone down by the age of 30. Why can't people be fluid all their lives? And certainly, I know women who married men, raised a family, the man died or divorced them and the woman ended up with another woman - well past the age of 30.

Why does Hicup want to put rules on sexuality?
 
Hicup said:
I dunno, it matters little as far as governing goes, besides it's Oregon for crying out loud. What I find interesting is that bi-sexuality does indeed disproportionately affect women way more than men, which is odd in the grand scheme of the sexual orientation, born or choice debate, but that aside, anyone that is bi-sexual past age 30, I find concerning, not because of their perceived sexuality, but the fact that they haven't seemed to examined themselves deeply enough. Again, I take my position based on the opinion that sexuality outside of heterosexuality is fluid in certain people for any number of reasons, but I am steadfast in the idea that as we are born, we are predisposed to a heterosexual orientation. Perhaps, past 30 someone is unable to make that choice, maybe the choice needs to come earlier before the prefrontal cortex has hard wired itself, who knows, but, most 30+ men have little patience for a female on-the-fence with it. ;) Tim-
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You bring up a valid point -- predisposition. Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are all matters that pertain to something we are inherently born with. One does not choose to be homo/bisexual, they accept the fact that they are. The latest guesstimates say between 5 to 7% of the population is homo or bisexual. That number has been stagnant throughout history.

As for the gender distribution of bisexuals, more females come out as bisexual then men because it's more socially acceptable and doesn't carry the societal stigma it does for males. The stigma is so strong that many bisexual males keep it hidden and/or refuse to acknowledge it even in private, to a researcher for example. Because of this, there are no numbers associated to the percentage of male to female bisexuals. When I was in high school, many girls came out as bisexual because it attracted guys. To put this into some kind of unorthodox perspective, one third of all pornography is female to female, so I've read. Some men do find female bisexuality to be arousing I guess.

There is also a misconception that bisexuality is a temporary thing. If one judges that by teenage female behavior, I can see why there is confusion. Then there are adults like David Bowie who claimed to be bisexual but later recanted stating he was going through a "phase." There is also Anna Paquin who touted her bisexual but later stated she "outgrew" it. Perhaps, perhaps not. Some go public with it but most don't. However, surprisingly enough, many bisexual females are married to men and are open to their spouses about it.

I do not make unsolicited announcements that I'm bisexual any more than a heterosexual will shout out that they are straight. To me at least, a persons sexual preference has absolutely no bearing as to their talents, capabilities, intelligence and demeanor. So what if a politician is homo or bisexual. They should be judged by their ability to do that job, not who they date or have sex with.
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Hicup said:
Yeah, but ironically, when a man agrees to a threesome with your committed girlfriend, and someone the their girlfriend picks, it's almost always the girlfriend that sets the rules, and trust me, there's always rules, break them at your own peril. In my younger years, threesomes were a plenty (thank you, thank you very much. :) ) and it was always the girls who thought it was a great idea at the time, but soon came to realize that, maybe not so much. Unlike men, women are or have the capacity for jealousy ten-fold to what men do. As men get older we become less jealous, the reverse is true for women, and you can take that to the bank!


Tim-
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Are you kidding? Men get jealous all the time....and they have a much greater propensity for killing the woman and other man because of it.
 
I imagine that it matters to bigots and hate filled jerks...
 
Paxaeon said:
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You bring up a valid point -- predisposition. Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are all matters that pertain to something we are inherently born with. One does not choose to be homo/bisexual, they accept the fact that they are. The latest guesstimates say between 5 to 7% of the population is homo or bisexual. That number has been stagnant throughout history.

As for the gender distribution of bisexuals, more females come out as bisexual then men because it's more socially acceptable and doesn't carry the societal stigma it does for males. The stigma is so strong that many bisexual males keep it hidden and/or refuse to acknowledge it even in private, to a researcher for example. Because of this, there are no numbers associated to the percentage of male to female bisexuals. When I was in high school, many girls came out as bisexual because it attracted guys. To put this into some kind of unorthodox perspective, one third of all pornography is female to female, so I've read. Some men do find female bisexuality to be arousing I guess.

There is also a misconception that bisexuality is a temporary thing. If one judges that by teenage female behavior, I can see why there is confusion. Then there are adults like David Bowie who claimed to be bisexual but later recanted stating he was going through a "phase." There is also Anna Paquin who touted her bisexual but later stated she "outgrew" it. Perhaps, perhaps not. Some go public with it but most don't. However, surprisingly enough, many bisexual females are married to men and are open to their spouses about it.

I do not make unsolicited announcements that I'm bisexual any more than a heterosexual will shout out that they are straight. To me at least, a persons sexual preference has absolutely no bearing as to their talents, capabilities, intelligence and demeanor. So what if a politician is homo or bisexual. They should be judged by their ability to do that job, not who they date or have sex with.
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That is another fascinating thing about female bi-sexuality. Why is it that most of them, and I mean somewhere near 93% of them, later in life eventually end up with a male, is a curious paradigm, one I couldn't even begin to understand, but still worth pointing out, even if the problem present no conclusive statement. I wonder, in male bi-sexuality, if the same paradigm is true, or even maybe reversed. It begs more questions than answers, regardless of the answer. Human sexuality is defiantly intriguing, even if completely contentious.



Tim-
 
Hicup said:
That is another fascinating thing about female bi-sexuality. Why is it that most of them, and I mean somewhere near 93% of them, later in life eventually end up with a male, is a curious paradigm, one I couldn't even begin to understand, but still worth pointing out, even if the problem present no conclusive statement. I wonder, in male bi-sexuality, if the same paradigm is true, or even maybe reversed. It begs more questions than answers, regardless of the answer. Human sexuality is defiantly intriguing, even if completely contentious.



Tim-
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Very possibly because women are looking for more than sex in relationships and other females provide that. In younger years, men are much more focused just on sex....leaving a lack in relationships that many women are seeking.
 
Lursa said:
Are you kidding? Men get jealous all the time....and they have a much greater propensity for killing the woman and other man because of it.
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Yes, tis true, and I agree that certainly seems to be the case, but, in my experience I feel as though my jealousy waned many years ago - or - I learned to deal with it better - or - made better choices in women - or - I am so confident in myself, and my own sexuality that, regardless of age, I feel as though there really are many fish in the sea. Nothing to be cynical about, I tend to maybe exhibit all 3 at times, but I can honestly say that I rarely get jealous, and those moments I do, my brain rather than stir up anger, resides to reliving my anxiety with one or two of the three options above.


Tim-
 
We didn't elect this one to the seat, she got there because the guy elected screwed the pooch in his own love life. Bisexuality doesn't exactly scream stability, so yes, I think it matters. However, there are a whole host of reasons I wouldn't vote for her that have nothing to do with her being bisexual.

As long as she doesn't try to pass through a sales tax here or do TaxAndGougeMe's GPS tracked tax by mile driven she can keep the chair warm until the next election.
 
Lursa said:
Very possibly because women are looking for more than sex in relationships and other females provide that. In younger years, men are much more focused just on sex....leaving a lack in relationships that many women are seeking.
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true, but I believe that to be more about a vestige of our evolutionary make up than anything tangibly explainable. To say otherwise would be to lament that we were meant to be monogamous, which I think any respectable anthropologist would scoff at, including me, but again alas, more questions. I understand the evolutionary advantages of non-monogamy, but how has a sort of forcing this down our throats for 5000 years had any, or if any affect on our social evolution. Like I said, all fascinating topics, indeed, thanks for taking the time to indulge me, ladies! :)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
That is another fascinating thing about female bi-sexuality. Why is it that most of them, and I mean somewhere near 93% of them, later in life eventually end up with a male, is a curious paradigm, one I couldn't even begin to understand, but still worth pointing out, even if the problem present no conclusive statement. I wonder, in male bi-sexuality, if the same paradigm is true, or even maybe reversed. It begs more questions than answers, regardless of the answer. Human sexuality is defiantly intriguing, even if completely contentious.



Tim-
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Don't discount social pressure for that.

But I don't know if your figures are correct or not; I'm taking them on face value
 
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