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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Glowpun said:
The public opinion is that your president is an inept fool who is more concerned with political correctness than national security. That is the probable reason he has people like the one in the picture.
How sad. BHO is a disaster waiting to happen and has happened. How much longer will the the world have to suffer with such fools?

In the 20th. century you had nazisim and communism attempting to rule the world. In the early part of the 21st. century and beyond you now have these religious extremists who want to bring the world back to ancient times.
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You have no argument here declaring the Obama administration total failures on foreign policy. But ISIS isn't just a U.S. problem but rather a world problem. Obama is far from the only fool. The leadership of every European country fits that bill also. Each one has allowed their own countries to be balkanized by being so political correct to allow Muslims their own areas to practice Sharia Law trumping the laws of their own countries. They have created pockets within their own countries for decades where Imams teach hatred and now they are personally feeling the consequences locally and their homegrown terrorists are leaving to join ISIS finding passage through Libya and Turkey. The latest video of the beheadings of 25 Coptic Christians in Libya wasn't the first time narrative of the murderers was recorded with a Northern British accent.
 
vesper said:
You have no argument here declaring the Obama administration total failures on foreign policy. But ISIS isn't just a U.S. problem but rather a world problem. Obama is far from the only fool. The leadership of every European country fits that bill also. Each one has allowed their own countries to be balkanized by being so political correct to allow Muslims their own areas to practice Sharia Law trumping the laws of their own countries. They have created pockets within their own countries for decades where Imams teach hatred and now they are personally feeling the consequences locally and their homegrown terrorists are leaving to join ISIS finding passage through Libya and Turkey. The latest video of the beheadings of 25 Coptic Christians in Libya wasn't the first time narrative of the murderers was recorded with a Northern British accent.
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Canada's Stephen Harper has responded strongly against the Islamists but Canadians are just as likely to vote in their own Barrack Obama in the form of an intellectually challenged Justin Trudeau. All the Democracies need strong leadership with a lean toward international experience. No more Community Organizer types. Jihadists have ‘declared war,’ Stephen Harper says after Paris attack | Toronto Star
 
iguanaman said:
Because they told the IAEA that there was none in 2003. Why would they lie about it then? We had already found the allegation to be false first hand.
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The allegation was not false; it was in fact confirmed, as documented in the Butler Review. Intelligence services routinely decline to share their reports with international organizations, and they never identify their sources.
 
iguanaman said:
Because they told the IAEA that there was none in 2003. Why would they lie about it then? We had already found the allegation to be false first hand.
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It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do know that now, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
 
Montecresto said:
It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do know that now, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
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CNN Poll: 78 Percent Favor Military Authorization Against ISISNewsmax.com‎ - 2 days ago
Poll: Most support vote for war against ISISThe Hill‎ - 2 days ago
 
Montecresto said:
It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do now know that, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
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I believe we need to give the Muslims a real chance at making the leap into the 21 century by allowing them to do the ground work of extermination ISIS. We also need to end support for any regime that promotes sectarian violence and that may mean the Iraqi army and Bagdad are cut off. We also need to supply the Sunni's who are rising up against ISIS with arms and supplies directly to avoid them being diverted to Shia run Bagdad. If we try to take over for the Muslims, there will surely be a change in tactics by Isis to revert into the same endless "war of attrition" where the enemy sets IED's and sends suicide bombers but otherwise is invisible to our troops. They became accustomed to this form of warfare and they will just bide their time like last time we invaded. Nothing will be won and no scores will be settled by a US invasion. It may well make the Islamic extremists stronger too.
 
iguanaman said:
I believe we need to give the Muslims a real chance at making the leap into the 21 century by allowing them to do the ground work of extermination ISIS. We also need to end support for any regime that promotes sectarian violence and that may mean the Iraqi army and Bagdad are cut off. We also need to supply the Sunni's who are rising up against ISIS with arms and supplies directly to avoid them being diverted to Shia run Bagdad. If we try to take over for the Muslims, there will surely be a change in tactics by Isis to revert into the same endless "war of attrition" where the enemy sets IED's and sends suicide bombers but otherwise is invisible to our troops. They became accustomed to this form of warfare and they will just bide their time like last time we invaded. Nothing will be won and no scores will be settled by a US invasion. It may well make the Islamic extremists stronger too.
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You cannot exterminate the Islamic State mentality. And the more you try, the more you push the more moderate in their direction, and, the converse is true of Christians. Boy, things as they were, and containment as it was under Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad keep looking better.
 
Jack Hays said:
CNN Poll: 78 Percent Favor Military Authorization Against ISISNewsmax.com‎ - 2 days ago
Poll: Most support vote for war against ISISThe Hill‎ - 2 days ago
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There is little doubt, that as soon as the American people become antagonistic to meddling, provocative foreign policy and military engagement, that they can be spooked right back into embracing it once again, another sad but real part of American history. And there will always be the knowledgeable and educated with one thing or another to gain from it all that will not be the least bit hesitant to exploit fear to that end. This is different, though, and this isn't going to turn out the way many think it might. And I'll be here, in and out, to point it out in real time.
 
Montecresto said:
There is little doubt, that as soon as the American people become antagonistic to meddling, provocative foreign policy and military engagement, that they can be spooked right back into embracing it once again, another sad but real part of American history. And there will always be the knowledgeable and educated with one thing or another to gain from it all that will not be the least bit hesitant to exploit fear to that end. This is different, though, and this isn't going to turn out the way many think it might. And I'll be here, in and out, to point it out in real time.
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"We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

Colin Powell, 2003
 
Jack Hays said:
"We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

Colin Powell, 2003
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Oh dear lord, the guy who went before the UN and the world with the lies that got all this **** going to begin with, no. You mustn't drag him out ever again. That's something and someone we must get past and forget.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh dear lord, the guy who went before the UN and the world with the lies that got all this **** going to begin with, no. You mustn't drag him out ever again. That's something and someone we must get past and forget.
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I'm quite proud of him. You are of course free to do as you wish.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL One thing is sure, even if 78% of Americans want Congress to give Obama the authorization he wanted it is NOT going to happen. The GOP Congress could care less what the people want they have a different drummer, they have for over 6 years now.
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And a good thing, too. ISIS has been trying to draw the US back into Iraq, has done all sorts of outrageous acts in order to make the American people think that the only solution to the mess they've created is to go and kill as many jihadis as possible. The trouble is, giving them what they want is likely to actually promote their cause, as has been discussed at some length already on this thread.
 
Dittohead not! said:
And a good thing, too. ISIS has been trying to draw the US back into Iraq, has done all sorts of outrageous acts in order to make the American people think that the only solution to the mess they've created is to go and kill as many jihadis as possible. The trouble is, giving them what they want is likely to actually promote their cause, as has been discussed at some length already on this thread.
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Except that Obama does not need any more authorization to send troops to Iraq. In fact that is why the Republicans don't want to pass another one, it would limit future Presidents from engaging in unilateral war.
 
iguanaman said:
Except that Obama does not need any more authorization to send troops to Iraq. In fact that is why the Republicans don't want to pass another one, it would limit future Presidents from engaging in unilateral war.
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and wouldn't that be a terrible thing, the Congress would have to actually step up and perform its Constitutional function and decide on a declaration of war or no declaration of war instead of simply passing the buck to the executive branch, then criticizing the CIC when things go sour.
 
To the OP, why were they refused by the White House in the first place?
 
Dittohead not! said:
and wouldn't that be a terrible thing, the Congress would have to actually step up and perform its Constitutional function and decide on a declaration of war or no declaration of war instead of simply passing the buck to the executive branch, then criticizing the CIC when things go sour.
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It's the President who is Commander-In-Chief and has been acting on his own authority for several years now. Perhaps he should be negotiating with Congress on all issues, domestic and foreign, except when he truly understands he's well over his head.
 
Grant said:
It's the President who is Commander-In-Chief and has been acting on his own authority for several years now. Perhaps he should be negotiating with Congress on all issues, domestic and foreign, except when he truly understands he's well over his head.
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Whether he understands it or not, he's in over his head.

And, yes, the CIC has been acting on his own authority for, well, actually for several decades now, and the results haven't been all that great. Perhaps we should go with the Constitution instead.
 
disneydude said:
We've gone through this before with the US arming the contra rebels in El Salvador. Remember also when the US was arming Saddam Hussein and Iraq in their war against Iran? We never seem to learn from our mistakes and are going to repeat them over and over.
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George Bush doesn't have the power to arm anyone, get a hold of yourself! OMFG
 
American said:
George Bush doesn't have the power to arm anyone, get a hold of yourself! OMFG
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No, thankfully, Bush no longer has the power to arm anyone.

But, how do you know that Disneydude isn't already holding himself?
 
Navy Pride said:
[h=1]George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again[/h] When Iraqi tribal leaders came to D.C. looking for help against ISIL, the White House refused. Then the former president made a call.

By MARK PERRY
February 12, 2015
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Nothing like going back to the moron who screwed it up the first time.

Maybe they called Bush to confirm that they still had no weapons of mass destruction.
 
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