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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

shrubnose said:
The only country on this planet that gained anything from G.W.Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq (Which was no threat to the USA.) was Iran and they're mighty grateful to Bush for it. :roll:
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They certainly were a big benefactor, I don't know that they were the only one, but you may be right.
 
shrubnose said:
The only country on this planet that gained anything from G.W.Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq (Which was no threat to the USA.) was Iran and they're mighty grateful to Bush for it. :roll:
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Cmon now SH. :2wave: looks like they are getting a smorgasborg under BO and his Team.....and they are so excited by that, its got them damn near hyperventilating.
 
polgara said:
What did they expect Biden to say or do? He has very little authority, and can only go along with Obama's plans, whatever the hell they are. It's truly unfortunate that people are dying while he dithers, though, but what would they do if we weren't in the picture? These people have been killing each other long before the US was even a country, and while I hate to say it, they brought their troubles on themselves, all in the name of religion!

It's interesting that Bush is meeting with Petraeus and others, but for what purpose? All of them are retired so what good does that do? Obama is going to do what he wants to do, and he is the CiC who owns this mess that he created. Do they really think that he'll take their advice if it is offered? Not much chance of that happening, IMO, because that would indicate he might not be handling the problems correctly himself, and that would never do - but meanwhile ISIL is thumbing their nose at him while they swagger, behead people, and laugh at him! So which is worse for a person with a big ego - listening to advice or being laughed at by inferior animals? Maybe toppling those dictators who had kept the lid on the ME pressure cooker wasn't the brightest thing to do after all, huh? Too late now - it's done and we see the results! :2mad:

:rantoff:
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If he had met with them BEFORE beginning this war, it would mean he is a leader and wants experienced advice.

Now? PR
 
Grant said:
In fact cutting and running from a 'sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq' has led to the problems and the thousands of lives lost we see there today. Now more American lives are in jeopardy because of Barry Obama.

You seem to be guessing at history.
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:lamo:lamo
 
Dittohead not! said:
Right, right, and the Republicans didn't take Obama to task for having taken credit for negotiating the troop withdrawal that Bush actually had done because, as we know from the mutability of the past, Bush didn't negotiate a troop withdrawal.
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But Obama was only following the deal Bush made when he pulled the troops out, so it isn't his fault.

It's a lovely way to live, no personal responsibility, no burdens, no guilt, no friends......
 
Fearandloathing said:
But Obama was only following the deal Bush made when he pulled the troops out, so it isn't his fault.
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It's a lovely way to live, no personal responsibility, no burdens, no guilt, no friends......
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A lot of the people who belong to this ISIS/IFIL group are Iraqis who are looking for some payback for their friends, relatives and fellow tribesmen who were killed for no good reason by U.S. forces that Bush sent to Iraq.

This is kind of like the Hatfields and McCoys, but on a much larger scale. :roll:
 
Grant said:
In fact cutting and running from a 'sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq' has led to the problems and the thousands of lives lost we see there today. Now more American lives are in jeopardy because of Barry Obama.

You seem to be guessing at history.
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In fact, the American NIE produced during the Bush administration, yeah, the one you either don't understand, or refuse to acknowledge, concluded that the invasion of Iraq caused a sharp increase in Islamic extremism and made America less safe!
 
Montecresto said:
In fact, the American NIE produced during the Bush administration, yeah, the one you either don't understand, or refuse to acknowledge, concluded that the invasion of Iraq caused a sharp increase in Islamic extremism and made America less safe!
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As already posted, no NIE would ever assess how safe was/is the US. That would require assessment of US countermeasures, and that is beyond the scope of any NIE.
 
Grant said:
In fact cutting and running from a 'sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq' has led to the problems and the thousands of lives lost we see there today. Now more American lives are in jeopardy because of Barry Obama.

You seem to be guessing at history.
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Here, I'll source it from FoxNews, so you'll not think it leftist propaganda.

The key findings of the National Intelligence Estimate state that the number of "jihadists" is growing in size and geographic dispersion, and if the trend continues it could lead to more terror attacks worldwide and more threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad.

Iraq a 'Cause Celebre' for Extremists, Intel Report Says | Fox News
 
disneydude said:
Wow. do you actually believe that? In what world was there a "Sovereign, stable state" in Iraq? The stupidity of going into Iraq without understanding the factions involved there and not recognizing the consequences of destabilizing the region is what lead to ISIS. We are going to be paying the price for GWB's actions for decades to come. You would have to be completely naïve to not understand that.
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You dont appear to understand basic history, its easy to believe that.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Right, right, and the Republicans didn't take Obama to task for having taken credit for negotiating the troop withdrawal that Bush actually had done because, as we know from the mutability of the past, Bush didn't negotiate a troop withdrawal.
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Bush didn't use a SOFA agreement as a reason to lose a war, no.
 
Born Free said:
That's PROOF because you say so? Obama lies and we all have proof of that. But I have not seen one shred of evidence that Bush lied about anything leading up to the Iraq war. I await your PROOF.
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They know Bush didn't lie, they dont care. Conversely Hillary did lie to get us to help overthrow Gaddafi, and as a result we have groups like ISIS there, who just killed 20 something Christians, and then theres Benghazi.
 
US Conservative said:
They know Bush didn't lie, they dont care. Conversely Hillary did lie to get us to help overthrow Gaddafi, and as a result we have groups like ISIS there, who just killed 20 something Christians, and then theres Benghazi.
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And then there's an NIE that disagrees with you.
 
Fearandloathing said:
But Obama was only following the deal Bush made when he pulled the troops out, so it isn't his fault.

It's a lovely way to live, no personal responsibility, no burdens, no guilt, no friends......
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By this logic, regime change in Iraq was Clintons fault, right? :lol:
(lolz at our forum lefties not exhibiting even a shred of consistency)
 
Montecresto said:
I wonder what his reason for failing to defeat the Taliban and AQ was.
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Bush was actually quite successful in fighting both, but he was only POTUS for 8 years, the war on terror will take longer.
On the other hand Obama wanted to lose the wars, and as POTUS was willing to intentionally do just that.

The left is willing to lose wars for politics. :2wave:
 
US Conservative said:
Bush was actually quite successful in fighting both, but he was only POTUS for 8 years, the war on terror will take longer.
On the other hand Obama wanted to lose the wars, and as POTUS was willing to intentionally do just that.

The left is willing to lose wars for politics. :2wave:
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I disagree with that, and your blanket statement stands in contrast with the historical fact that democratic presidents have been unwilling to loose. And have won.
 
US Conservative said:
By this logic, regime change in Iraq was Clintons fault, right? :lol:
(lolz at our forum lefties not exhibiting even a shred of consistency)
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That's an interesting thought.
 
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