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Ceasefire agreed for eastern Ukraine after Minsk summit

Undeniable facts? This article was posted here for hundreds of times, your friend Simplex tried hard. It's dated by June 18, 2014.

Yes and the Russian terrorists have killed far more since then, the future does not change events of the past, the Russian terrorist pigs turned Donetsk and Luhansk into armed camps ruled by kidnapping, rape, and torture, it has only gotten worse for ethnic Ukrainians since.

Quite an old info, considering UN reported more than 5.000 people were killed since then.

Killed by Russian terrorist swine.

Ethnic cleansings are impossible in Donbass because Russians and Ukrainians consist one mixed population there.

Actually Ukrainians consist of the majority, at least they did until the genocidal Russian terrorists began mass murdering and ethnically cleansing them just like they did during the days of Stalin.
 
OK then how did the US back the protesters in ANY way whatsoever ? How did it get them to face down Yanukovyches guns unarmed and how often do I need to keep asking this question ?



As should any free thinking individual on earth !



Nuland and co had nothing to do with the Maidan protesters and nothing to do with the subsequent two elections results last year. I dare you to prove me wrong ?



Only natural you say !? :shock:

Naked armed aggression is never that, so those sort of comments are simply flaming now frankly

I addressed that in 206 and 215. Stop asking me the same stupid question over and over again. Do you believe that it was Yanukovych that the US was supporting in the Maiden Square conflict. **** man, turn off Monte Python, and turn on Al Jazeera or CCTV and pay attention.
 
I addressed that in 206 and 215

Thats simply a re statement of your opinion. Where are the facts linking this US backing of the Maidan protesters and I'm asking you how they were they supposedly backed ?

Stop asking me the same stupid question over and over again.

And I'll keep asking it until you provide the evidence because its fundamental to your whole 'blame it all on the US' position here

Do you believe that it was Yanukovych that the US was supporting in the Maiden Square conflict. **** man, turn off Monte Python, and turn on Al Jazeera or CCTV and pay attention.

Given his own cabinet had even abandoned him before his overthrow why would the US back him ?
 
I've responded to that inquiry on multiple occasions. The US is backing a regime in Kiev that Russia does not recognise as legitimate. An angry mob consisting of a fraction of the population of Ukraine converged at Maiden Square in the Capitol and began burning federal buildings, and demanding the ouster of president Yanukovych, and fired upon his motorcade as he fled for his life. That is not the democratic model, and neither you or any other poster at DP that supports it, would support it in the UK, Germany, Canada, the US, etc.

None of what you said justifies what Putin has done in Ukraine.
 
Nice try, but we were referring to the regime that was installed with Western support, that prompted Russia's response and emergency action in Crimea. I know that you know this but seem to think being coy is cute.

An interim government was quickly announced, leading Yanukovych to come out of hiding, and in a press conference, declare that he would not be relinquishing his claim to the presidency—calling the actions to appoint a new government a coup—and that he had fled Kiev when he received threats to his life.

Yanukovych’s statements provided Russia with a rationale for action. “When we see this we understand what worries the citizens of Ukraine, both Russian and Ukrainian, and the Russian-speaking population in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine. It is this uncontrolled crime that worries them,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an unscripted conversation with press on March 3rd. “Therefore, if we see such uncontrolled crime spreading to the eastern regions of the country, and if the people ask us for help, while we already have the official request from the legitimate President, we retain the right to use all available means to protect those people. We believe this would be absolutely legitimate.”

Political Legitimacy and International Law in Crimea: Pushing the U.S. and Russia Apart

The words of a corrupt criminal leader is Putin's justification for destroying half of Ukraine? Pathetic!
 
Thats simply a re statement of your opinion. Where are the facts linking this US backing of the Maidan protesters and I'm asking you how they were they supposedly backed ?



And I'll keep asking it until you provide the evidence because its fundamental to your whole 'blame it all on the US' position here



Given his own cabinet had even abandoned him before his overthrow why would the US back him ?

Same old bs. I'll get with you when you've got something on Putin.
 
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OK then how did the US back the protesters in ANY way whatsoever ? How did it get them to face down Yanukovyches guns unarmed and how often do I need to keep asking this question ?
As should any free thinking individual on earth !
Nuland and co had nothing to do with the Maidan protesters and nothing to do with the subsequent two elections results last year. I dare you to prove me wrong ?
Only natural you say !? :shock:
Naked armed aggression is never that, so those sort of comments are simply flaming now frankly

I appreciate your efforts, but you are wasting your time. Montecresto starts from the presupposition that "The US is Wrong", and works from there.
 
I appreciate your efforts, but you are wasting your time. Montecresto starts from the presupposition that "The US is Wrong", and works from there.

And where does cp begin? The US is right, I'm sure. Guess you wanted in this.


A now confirmed taped phone call between the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and European Union Foreign Affairs Minister Catherine Ashton, originally reported by a Russian press agency and then in the British Guardian and other newspapers, reveals Paet’s view that forces among the Maidan protesters had orchestrated the deadly sniper fire on Feb. 20. Paet stated in the taped conversation that “the same snipers [were] killing people from both sides. … There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.” The call took place after the Estonian foreign minister had visited Kiev on Feb. 25, at the height of the Maidan protests. The Estonian government later denied that Paet “was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence.” There is little doubt, however, that U.S. officials have applied pressure on the Estonians to “reinterpret” the tape.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/us-imperialism-and-the-ukraine-coup/

And this phone conversation.

The 11-minute conversation was posted on YouTube – it is the second time in a month that telephone calls between western diplomats discussing Ukraine have been bugged.

In the call, Paet said he had been told snipers responsible for killing police and civilians in Kiev last month were protest movement provocateurs rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych. Ashton responds: "I didn't know … Gosh."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet
 
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And where does cp begin? The US is right, I'm sure.

Nope. We've done stupid plenty of times.

Guess you wanted in this.


A now confirmed taped phone call between the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and European Union Foreign Affairs Minister Catherine Ashton, originally reported by a Russian press agency and then in the British Guardian and other newspapers, reveals Paet’s view that forces among the Maidan protesters had orchestrated the deadly sniper fire on Feb. 20. Paet stated in the taped conversation that “the same snipers [were] killing people from both sides. … There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.” The call took place after the Estonian foreign minister had visited Kiev on Feb. 25, at the height of the Maidan protests. The Estonian government later denied that Paet “was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence.” There is little doubt, however, that U.S. officials have applied pressure on the Estonians to “reinterpret” the tape.

:lamo

Oh well, you caught them, no doubt. An Estonian minister was originally reported in Russian press that there is "a stronger understanding" that snipers are "from someone who isn't Yanukovych". Clearly this was a combined CIA/Mossad/Illuminati operation :mrgreen:




well, what'd you expect. :)
 
Nope. We've done stupid plenty of times.



:lamo

Oh well, you caught them, no doubt. An Estonian minister was originally reported in Russian press that there is "a stronger understanding" that snipers are "from someone who isn't Yanukovych". Clearly this was a combined CIA/Mossad/Illuminati operation :mrgreen:





well, what'd you expect. :)

Think you missed the Gaurdian.
 
Think you missed the Gaurdian.

Oh, good point. The Guardian picked up a Russian story that an Estonian minister had heard some rumors which didn't even directly implicate the US, much less provide any evidence whatsoever of your idiotic contention :)
 
Oh, good point. The Guardian picked up a Russian story that an Estonian minister had heard some rumors which didn't even directly implicate the US, much less provide any evidence whatsoever of your idiotic contention :)

You've listened to the conversation then.
 
You've listened to the conversation then.

:) dude even counterpunch couldn't make something out of this. you tried to come up with evidence and what you came up with only made you look even more ridiculous than before - a theory desperately in search of any evidence that might jive with it.
 
:) dude even counterpunch couldn't make something out of this. you tried to come up with evidence and what you came up with only made you look even more ridiculous than before - a theory desperately in search of any evidence that might jive with it.

The evidence of the US fingerprints in Kiev have been posted repeatedly. What looks stupid is yourself and others dismissal of it. So dude, take your apologetics to someone else.

Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine?
September 2, 2014

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/02/whos-telling-the-big-lie-on-ukraine/

It Was a US-instigated Ukrainian Coup

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38331.htm
 
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And there's this from John J. Mearsheimer, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, writing about Ukraine in Foreign Affairs.

The United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.
 
Do you have a link for that, or just making more **** up?

I'm sure if needs be I can dig up a link about the Russian Ambassador to Kazakastan mentioning to the Chinese naval attache that his opinion is that there is a lot of trouble in the middle east, which by the standards you've laid out in this thread, is pretty much all the evidence we'd need :).
 
I'm sure if needs be I can dig up a link about the Russian Ambassador to Kazakastan mentioning to the Chinese naval attache that his opinion is that there is a lot of trouble in the middle east, which by the standards you've laid out in this thread, is pretty much all the evidence we'd need :).

Ok, so no link. Fine. Why was it you stepped in. Just feeling ornery tonight?
 
I'm sure if needs be I can dig up a link about the Russian Ambassador to Kazakastan mentioning to the Chinese naval attache that his opinion is that there is a lot of trouble in the middle east, which by the standards you've laid out in this thread, is pretty much all the evidence we'd need :).

Then chuck in a debunked opinion piece and voila ! Now we can dismiss the Russian presence in Ukraine as simply 'vacationing troops' just like the Kremlin said they were. I guess they are just into ski holidays and snowball fights :cool:
 
Yes, you copy/pasted my post and then mischaracterised it.
I didn't copy/paste anything. The forum software quoted you directly. With links, I proved your statement to be factually false.
 
you tried to come up with evidence and what you came up with only made you look even more ridiculous than before - a theory desperately in search of any evidence that might jive with it.
Indeed. Predisposed, but lacking any credible evidence to support his predisposition.

Consortium News? InformationClearingHouse? Both are well known conspiracy/anti-American internet rags.
 
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