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North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students [W:43, 109]

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That's a you problem for thinking that. If he happened to be Muslim and shot three people, he'd just be bat**** insane. However if he was yelling "FOR ALLAH" while gunning down people, then it's different. Context, it's REALLY important.

You say that right now, but reality suggests you're wrong. Right after the Anders Breivik shooting in Norway, people were jumping to "it was a Muslim." It was the same issue when the Malaysian flight disappeared, and people realized Malaysia is largely Islamic. People in the United States say things like, "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims," so you can't tell me that society never makes completely unfair assumptions about Muslims... :roll:
 
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I hope that the moderate atheist community leaders come out and denounce this heinous act....... said no news outlet ever.


The felon was also an American Football and Basketball fan. I eagerly await condemnation and protests tomorrow morning by nflfans.com and the NCAA fan club.

I think it might depend on whether he did it in the name of his religion.. Or he did it in the name of atheism or NCAA... Maybe too if it was just an individual or a whole bunch of individuals. For example, if thousands of otherwise unrelated people start killing people in the name of the NCAA... I suspect people might start looking at the NCAA.
 
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This dude hates any religion, not just Islam. Earlier--as expected--aa attempt was made to connect this clown to Right Wingers, but...he's an atheist.

Right wingers are running from him, but his political lean is actually irrelevant. Not all right wingers assume the worst about all Muslim people, and plenty of left wingers engage in prejudice towards Islam themselves. Personally, I don't care about this man's political affiliation. It's irrelevant. The father of the sister's killed said the man harassed them for a long time before the shooting.
 
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You say that right now, but reality suggests you're wrong. Right after the Anders Breivik shooting in Norway, people were jumping to "it was a Muslim." It was the same issue when the Malaysian flight disappeared, and people realized Malaysia is largely Islamic. People in the United States say things like, "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims," so you can't tell me that society never makes completely unfair assumptions about Muslims... :roll:

So, what are you saying? This dude isn't really an atheist?
 
Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

You say that right now, but reality suggests you're wrong. Right after the Anders Breivik shooting in Norway, people were jumping to "it was a Muslim." It was the same issue when the Malaysian flight disappeared, and people realized Malaysia is largely Islamic. People in the United States say things like, "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims," so you can't tell me that society never makes completely unfair assumptions about Muslims... :roll:
Considering the number of attacks, do you blame people? Or are you one of those "It was workplace violence" typs.
 
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So sad and yet so not surprised at the evil that roams this world.
 
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As a liberal atheist, I would like to go on record here saying that I don't blame fox news or the NRA for this shooting. More importantly, I would like to bring attention to the fact that there are still insane people in this world and to be mindful of helping those who need help and appreciating the people in your life who could be gone tomorrow. Because of a parking dispute, or because of religion, or race, or for no reason at all.
 
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I already know that because he is not Muslim, he is an individual person and he is bonkers. But if he were a Muslim who shot three white Americans in the head, he'd wouldn't be just bat **** bonkers. He would be a Muslim.

And one of the first articles ran about this from national news source tried to connect his being atheist, in fact referring to him as a "devout atheist", to the crime and implying strongly that it was the reason for him committing the crime.
 
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The shooter was a fan of Rachel Maddow and Progressive causes...looks like we have a liberal shooter here

Any prove of that or are you just making fun of something rhat is not funny in the least?
 
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I would describe him as American.

To a non-American there is little difference between a liberal or conservative American. You are all American.

US media and US politics is to blame for this.

And how about the double standard.

This really messes with the terror narrative.

Muslim lives matter.

edit- Demonization of Muslims in America is bi-partisan. That is obvious. How about the double standard here. Jesus.

It is not bipartisan. That's a crock. It's your right that is xenophobic railing against muslims and hispanics.
 
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I figured something like this only because of the comments that they were using against the guy, such as what he posted. None of those seemed to truly indicate a hatred of people who were religious in a way that would lead to him hunting them down to kill them specifically.

Now, it is obvious that this guy has huge anger issues given the level of violence demonstrated over a parking issue. So far though, there is no evidence to me that this was due to their being Muslim or his being atheist.

Sounds very naive to think their ethinic and religious difference had nothing to do with it it.

As far as FOX they are trying to cover their ass.
 
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Update - Parking dispute led to killings, police say -"A long-running parking dispute between neighbors motivated a man to kill a woman, her newlywed husband and her sister at a quiet condominium complex near the University of North Carolina, police said Wednesday."

It wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Banning guns will just ensure the bad guys have the guns.

Most of these crazies get their guns legally so your argument is moot. It's easier to get a gun in this country than it is a driver's license. Doesn't take as long either.
 
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Most gun incidents happen due to illegally owned weapons, not people who legally obtained them. And every country has "lethal incidents". They happen. It is better that everyone be able to defend themselves from other people and their government (and possibly other threats) than to worry about "lethal incidents" which in the grand scheme of things, are not that common.

Most if not all of the crazies in the last decade that went on shooting rampages got their guns legally or just used a famiily member's. So your argument falls on its face.
 
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Someone totally doesn't understand reality. Even if you did a world wide sweep banning all guns, everywhere... there would still be guns. Because such a move would be impossible. You really don't care about needless deaths though, if you did, you would support arming more people, because bad guys rarely attack areas where the locals will shoot back.

There's a much, much, lower incidence of gun violence in countries where obtaining a firearm is difficult. What part of that don't you understand?

By your argument everyone will be settling disputes with firearms. It will be like the wild wild west.
 
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The only sensible solution is to have a law passed making it mandatory that every single American over age 11 is armed everywhere at all times. If every American had a firearm with them 24/7, there would be zero crime.

I hope that's sarcasm.
 
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There's a much, much, lower incidence of gun violence in countries where obtaining a firearm is difficult. What part of that don't you understand?

By your argument everyone will be settling disputes with firearms. It will be like the wild wild west.

Have you checked up on gun violence in Mexico recently?
 
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Banning guns will just ensure the bad guys have the guns.

Someone totally doesn't understand reality. Even if you did a world wide sweep banning all guns, everywhere... there would still be guns. Because such a move would be impossible. You really don't care about needless deaths though, if you did, you would support arming more people, because bad guys rarely attack areas where the locals will shoot back.

Can we get more ludicrous? Seriously?

Let's examine the evidence, name off the 5 biggest crime ridden cities, 5 biggest shooting spree locations.

What do they all have in common?

They ban guns.

When evidence of failure isn't enough to persuade you, why do you people double down on fail?

"They would still be alive if they had armed themselves".

Why not just come right out and say it ?

Isn't that what your are suggesting ?

Blaming the victims.
 
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Can we get more ludicrous? Seriously?

Let's examine the evidence, name off the 5 biggest crime ridden cities, 5 biggest shooting spree locations.

What do they all have in common?

They ban guns.

When evidence of failure isn't enough to persuade you, why do you people double down on fail?

I like how conveniently forget how prolific and easy it is to get guns on the outskirts if those cities and bring them in.
 
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Sounds very naive to think their ethinic and religious difference had nothing to do with it it.

As far as FOX they are trying to cover their ass.

Fox wasn't the only one going that route, but thanks for playing.
 
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I like how conveniently forget how prolific and easy it is to get guns on the outskirts if those cities and bring them in.

Oh, I see, it's the illegally owned guns, bought from the legal places right? It's all those legal gun owners.

Here's the question you will not respond too:

If gun crimes are so high in these cities with high gun control laws ostensibly because of the ease to obtain guns outside the city, why do cities with far less gun control laws and ease of access in the city, have less gun crime?

I'll be impressed if you even try to answer that one.
 
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"They would still be alive if they had armed themselves".

Why not just come right out and say it ?

Isn't that what your are suggesting ?

Blaming the victims.

What are you on about?
 
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Sounds very naive to think their ethinic and religious difference had nothing to do with it it.

As far as FOX they are trying to cover their ass.

Why would FOX try to cover their ass, given that, if anything, Bill Maher & Co. was a bigger influence on this guy? The dude is a hard-core lefty with a grudge against religion, not a Christian Fundy who thinks Obama is a Muslim Communist Kenyan.
 
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Any prove of that or are you just making fun of something rhat is not funny in the least?

Here you go:

Though no motive for the shooting has been confirmed, local media is reporting that social media sites connected to Hicks might offer a clue. Hicks is a self-described “anti-theist” who lashed out against all religions. Apparently he is associated in some way with United Atheists of America and uses social media to lash out at both “radical Christians and radical Muslims.” He also describes himself as a fan of atheist author Richard Dawkins.

TV programmes liked by Hicks include The Atheist Experience, Criminal Minds and Friends, while he describes himself as a fan of Thomas Paine’s The Age of Reason and Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion.

Hicks’ pictures largely consist of images with text mocking religion and supporting atheism, but include images of himself and his wife at Disneyland, what he describes as his “loaded 38 revovler”, and himself separately on a quad bike and wearing a suit.

According to his Facebook “likes,” Hicks is a man of the left:

His Facebook Likes included the Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Freedom from Religion Foundation, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” Neil deGrasse Tyson, Gay Marriage groups and similar progressive pages

Hicks is a vehement atheist, according to his Facebook page, where he frequently posts anti-religion musings.....

Maybe Rachel Maddow and the SSM movement should be "covering their ass"?
 
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Here you go:

Maybe Rachel Maddow and the SSM movement should be "covering their ass"?

Weird, I'm trying to reply with a quote to the previous post but get this... in any case:

This is fascinating if this turns out to be true. I don't know of many acts of violence carried out in the name of Atheism.
 
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