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North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students [W:43, 109]

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roguenuke said:
While true, we are not going to get rid of guns in this country, legal ownership by the citizens. And trying to prevent people from getting it based on suspicions of possible mental problems will only lead to more issues. This is not about gun rights, no matter how much you wish to twist it that way. This is an isolated incident about anger issues. Possibly mental health problems that were hidden, possibly that simply developed after the person first got the gun. Honestly, I don't even know if the person had the gun legally or not.
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Until you decide that protecting people is more important than protecting guns you are going to get lethal incidents like this one and such incidents are far from isolated :(
 
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flogger said:
Until you decide that protecting people is more important than protecting guns you are going to get lethal incidents like this one and such incidents are far from isolated :(
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Banning guns will just ensure the bad guys have the guns.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Banning guns will just ensure the bad guys have the guns.
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The bad guys had to have gotten their guns from the good guys in the first place. You are blaming the symptoms for the problem
 
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spangledbanner said:
Is Islamic Extremism to blame for this?

This really messes with the whole terror narrative.

Look out for Fanatic Radical Western anti-Muslim terrorists America.
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Someone has to put a stop to these rabid, ultra-leftwing progressive atheist terrorists, don't you agree? So much hate, so much hate. Apparently he was a big Rachel Maddow fan, which figures because all she spews is hate.
 
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flogger said:
Until you decide that protecting people is more important than protecting guns you are going to get lethal incidents like this one and such incidents are far from isolated :(
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Most gun incidents happen due to illegally owned weapons, not people who legally obtained them. And every country has "lethal incidents". They happen. It is better that everyone be able to defend themselves from other people and their government (and possibly other threats) than to worry about "lethal incidents" which in the grand scheme of things, are not that common.
 
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flogger said:
The bad guys had to have gotten their guns from the good guys in the first place. You are blaming the symptoms for the problem
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Someone totally doesn't understand reality. Even if you did a world wide sweep banning all guns, everywhere... there would still be guns. Because such a move would be impossible. You really don't care about needless deaths though, if you did, you would support arming more people, because bad guys rarely attack areas where the locals will shoot back.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Someone totally doesn't understand reality. Even if you did a world wide sweep banning all guns, everywhere... there would still be guns. Because such a move would be impossible. You really don't care about needless deaths though, if you did, you would support arming more people, because bad guys rarely attack areas where the locals will shoot back.
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The only sensible solution is to have a law passed making it mandatory that every single American over age 11 is armed everywhere at all times. If every American had a firearm with them 24/7, there would be zero crime.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
The only sensible solution is to have a law passed making it mandatory that every single American over age 11 is armed everywhere at all times. If every American had a firearm with them 24/7 there would be zero crime.
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Can we get more ludicrous? Seriously?

Let's examine the evidence, name off the 5 biggest crime ridden cities, 5 biggest shooting spree locations.

What do they all have in common?

They ban guns.

When evidence of failure isn't enough to persuade you, why do you people double down on fail?
 
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MrVicchio said:
Someone totally doesn't understand reality. Even if you did a world wide sweep banning all guns, everywhere... there would still be guns. Because such a move would be impossible. You really don't care about needless deaths though, if you did, you would support arming more people, because bad guys rarely attack areas where the locals will shoot back.
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How ironic having a firearms advocate from across the pond lecturing me on needless death ! :cool:
 
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MrVicchio said:
Can we get more ludicrous? Seriously?

Let's examine the evidence, name off the 5 biggest crime ridden cities, 5 biggest shooting spree locations.

What do they all have in common?

They ban guns.

When evidence of failure isn't enough to persuade you, why do you people double down on fail?
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I live in Chicago and am quite aware of the gun violence here. Yes I was being sarcastic. I'm on the fence with the gun laws, On one hand I feel the red tape here to buy a gun is BS however when a majority of the firearms used in the crimes here were bought legally by those with clean records and then sold to gang members knowing full well they're criminals and are going to use those guns to kill people, I can't get behind ease of purchase. What's the solution? I don't know, but the guns that CPD are confiscating off of the street are mostly legally purchased across state lines. So **** it, let's just make it so that every citizen has to have a gun on them at all times. Criminals would think twice about crime if everyone was armed.
 
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roguenuke said:
Most gun incidents happen due to illegally owned weapons, not people who legally obtained them. And every country has "lethal incidents". They happen. It is better that everyone be able to defend themselves from other people and their government (and possibly other threats) than to worry about "lethal incidents" which in the grand scheme of things, are not that common.
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The people who legally obtain them are selling them to criminals who can't legally buy weapons and are using those guns to commit crimes. When a six year old kid is gunned down by a seventeen year old with a gun that he was given by a fellow gang member, who bought it from some slack jawed hillbilly, who bought it at Ed's "gun's and Wedding gowns" in Indiana, ****'s gotta change.
 
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Cardinal said:
Second, it makes no sense to kill someone out of atheism. Try to think of it this way: you hate the Seattle Sea hawks. They're the worst football team ever. You wish they would go away and die a hundred thousand deaths. Just one problem:
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Sounds liek the shooting was due to a long standing fight between neighbors surrounding parking issues. While the guy was an atheist and most likely a liberal who hated muslims and christians... That appears to have little with what occured.
 
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buck said:
Sounds liek the shooting was due to a long standing fight between neighbors surrounding parking issues. While the guy was an atheist and most likely a liberal who hated muslims and christians... That appears to have little with what occured.
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I have a sneaking suspiscion that had the shooter been involved in a dispute with an afficionado of the Rachel Maddow show who had asked him where to buy the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo, the dispute would not have escalated in triple murder.

In addition, one of the victim's father said his daughter had informed him that the guy was harassing them because they were openly muslim. To paraphrase another poster: "the victims being muslim added fuel to the fire". My guess, derived from his active face book likes, is that it added a significant amount of fuel.
 
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spangledbanner said:
US media is to blame. And US politics. I am sure this will happen again. Muslim lives matter America.

edit- protect your Muslims America! What is being done to protect American Muslims from terror? Of course they will be a target of terror with US media and politics being so anti-Muslim.

What is with the double standard? Imagine if a Muslim just **** three Anglo. This would be huge news.
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So if someone goes and shoots up a Fox News station should I blame you?
 
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PoS said:
Seems Fox updated the story and the new article says it was over a parking dispute rather than because of the victim's religion. Either way, a terrible act and I hope the perp gets punished severely for it.
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See, if we just stay out of their parking spaces...
 
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spangledbanner said:
I blame Fox News for this primarily and US media in general. It was only a matter of time. I hope that Bill ORielly and Sean Hannity are happy now.
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And they advocated murder when?
 
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Cryptic said:
I have a sneaking suspiscion that had the shooter been involved in a dispute with an afficionado of the Rachel Maddow show who had asked him where to buy the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo, the dispute would not have escalated in triple murder.
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If the dispute had been going on for a long time and the circumstances were similar.. I have a suspicion it would have.

In addition, one of the victim's father said his daughter had informed him that the guy was harassing them because they were openly muslim. To paraphrase another poster: "the victims being muslim added fuel to the fire". My guess, derived from his active face book likes, is that it added a significant amount of fuel.
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People have a way to see racism where often none exists.. The latest Pharrell Williams / Zac Braff tweet as an example. Was he really harassing them because they were muslim, or was he harassing them because of the parking issue and they just leapt to the conclusion that it was really due to them being muslim - Not to say there isn't any racism... but the incorrect charge of racism happens very often.

Anyway, a video from the wife.. who is convinced it was related to the long term parking dispute.

Wife of Craig Hicks who executed Chapel Hill Muslim students says it wasn't a hate crime | Daily Mail Online

'I can say with my absolute belief that this incident had nothing to do with religion or these victims' faith,' his wife insisted on Wednesday afternoon. 'But in fact was related to long-standing parking disputes that my husband had with the neighbors.'
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The guys going to jail for a long time.. likely the death penalty (if available in the state).. Seems little reason to lie and make the claim as she did.
 
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buck said:
Anyway, a video from the wife.. who is convinced it was related to the long term parking dispute.

The guys going to jail for a long time.. likely the death penalty (if available in the state).. Seems little reason to lie and make the claim as she did.
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Bias murder is seen espescially negative by the community and may invite retaliation. As such, she could well have motives to "spin" her memory.
buck said:
If the dispute had been going on for a long time and the circumstances were similar.. I have a suspicion it would have.

People have a way to see racism where often none exists..
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I can concede that there is too little information to definetevly say one way or the other. As the same time, the guy:

- clearly did not like "religous fundamentalists" (how he defined "fundamentalist" is not known) to some degree.
- the father of a victim related that his daughter concluded the guy was hostile to her religion.
- the shooter not only shot the male (shooting a male adversary is far more common in respect / disrepect rage shootings), but then deliberatly kills both females as well (far less common).

Thus, I think there are reasonable indications even know that religion played an aggravating part. In short, lets say they were Je suis Charlie Hebdo wearers. I can see the shooter rage killing the male, but also both females?, far less likely.
 
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Cryptic said:
I can concede that there is too little information to definetevly say one way or the other.
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I agree. While I believe it was the long term dispute.. There is not enough to say definitively. Though, the cops sure seem to be leaning that way, much as I am. The guy has alleged anger issues, was confrontational and showed little compassion for people. The only people he shot just happened to be the ones involved in the long time dispute and he didn't even attempt to kill anyother muslims. Time will tell, but I feel on pretty solid ground.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Islam isnt a very nice "religion" even without the jihad.
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The guy who murdered three people today agrees with you.
 
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SheWolf said:
The guy who murdered three people today agrees with you.
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Hes bat**** bonkers dear.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Hes bat**** bonkers dear.
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I already know that because he is not Muslim, he is an individual person and he is bonkers. But if he were a Muslim who shot three white Americans in the head, he'd wouldn't be just bat **** bonkers. He would be a Muslim.
 
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SheWolf said:
I already know that because he is not Muslim, he is an individual person and he is bonkers. But if he were a Muslim who shot three white Americans in the head, he'd wouldn't be just bat **** bonkers. He would be a Muslim.
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That's a you problem for thinking that. If he happened to be Muslim and shot three people, he'd just be bat**** insane. However if he was yelling "FOR ALLAH" while gunning down people, then it's different. Context, it's REALLY important.
 
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SheWolf said:
The guy who murdered three people today agrees with you.
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This dude hates any religion, not just Islam. Earlier--as expected--aa attempt was made to connect this clown to Right Wingers, but...he's an atheist.
 
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