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North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students [W:43, 109]

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Executing people in the name of communism is absolutely not the same as executing in the name of atheism.

An edict by the state that all will be atheist is the same as an edict that all will be Muslim, Protestant, or Catholic. When a state conflates "theist" with "not a communist", and punishes you accordingly, they are absolutely doing so for atheism.


Marx does not speak for nor represent all communists.

Ah. The good ole No True Socialism Fallacy. Marx's followers were the ones who performed the vast majority of the atheist purges.
 
Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

An edict by the state that all will be atheist is the same as an edict that all will be Muslim, Protestant, or Catholic. When a state conflates "theist" with "not a communist", and punishes you accordingly, they are absolutely doing so for atheism.

Ah. The good ole No True Socialism Fallacy. Marx's followers were the ones who performed the vast majority of the atheist purges.

No they are not the same because of their purpose. Theocracies make those decrees because they believe their religion demands it. Countries that feel religion crowds the loyalty to the state is banning religion for political reasons, not religious beliefs.
 
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No they are not the same because of their purpose. Theocracies make those decrees because they believe their religion demands it

Sure, and that includes atheistic regimes who make the exact same manner of decrees because their belief system demands it.

Countries that feel religion crowds the loyalty to the state is banning religion for political reasons, not religious beliefs.

:shrug: then the same applies to theocracies. Loyalty to the Pope was considered (for example) treasonous in Protestant countries because it meant Catholic Armies would be able to impose religious duties on you to support them in the event of an invasion.

When you bind up the states authority with a belief system, then when the state punishes you for having a different belief system, that the act is additionally political does not mean it is not due to the belief system being coercively applied.
 
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What I am trying to figure out.... and please help me if I have missed something...

Why are we assuming this guy killed these people because of their religion and because he is an Athiest?

Are we going to assume from here on out in every case that if two people involved in an incident of violence are of different religious views that this difference is the cause of the violence despite what we know about the situation. Are we going to interject religious conflict where we don't even know it belongs?

So, he was an atheist who owned guns. Does that instantly make him a hunter of religious people?



Its interesting how people are condemning him for judging these muslims and killing them..... with no evidence that this is what happened. Meanwhile, they are ignoring the fact that THEY THEMSELVES are the ones rushing to judgement of another.

Reflect on that for a moment.
 
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Sure, and that includes atheistic regimes who make the exact same manner of decrees because their belief system demands it.

:shrug: then the same applies to theocracies. Loyalty to the Pope was considered (for example) treasonous in Protestant countries because it meant Catholic Armies would be able to impose religious duties on you to support them in the event of an invasion.

When you bind up the states authority with a belief system, then when the state punishes you for having a different belief system, that the act is additionally political does not mean it is not due to the belief system being coercively applied.

In the case of theocracies, not all laws or killings or injustices will be based on religious beliefs either, but some are. It would depend on how the law is written and why it is place. If the reasoning is that a specific group should be killed based on some religious belief, such as homosexuality is condemned by the bible/Koran, or you shall not suffer a witch to live, or god so-and-so thinks mentally/physically "defective" people should be put out of "misery" regardless of age, or Jews go against God, that is killing in the name of religion. If on the other hand, those in charge are putting people to death, imprisoning people, passing laws against things because they feel those people or certain beliefs/mind sets threaten their power or way of governing, that is political ideology being used.

Unless the reason for killing is specifically something along the lines of, "you believe in a higher power/afterlife, therefore you must die or be imprisoned, then it is not persecution due to atheism.
 
Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

Executing people in the name of communism is absolutely not the same as executing in the name of atheism.

It depends on the victim. An executed orthodox priest, buddhist monk, confucian scholar, or devout lay person whose only "undesirable" trait was being openly religous and thus "reactionary" could well be said to have been executed by a communist regime in the name of atheism. There were many such people.
 
Re: North Carolina man charged in shooting death of 3 Muslim students

It depends on the victim. An executed orthodox priest, buddhist monk, confucian scholar, or devout lay person whose only "undesirable" trait was being openly religous and thus "reactionary" could well be said to have been executed by a communist regime in the name of atheism. There were many such people.

No they can't not just because they were some religious leader or person. It always depends on the reasoning behind why, not who exactly was executed.
 
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