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Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

WCH said:
Interesting they call it 'iced' tea. Round here it's ice tea.

Back to the topic, most issues with cops can be avoided by simple cooperation and compliance.
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The guys who can't trust the government, people!
 
WCH said:
Guess we'll never know.

I'm somewhat suspect of the filming of the event. It seemed rather staged.
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It does seem somewhat staged.


But then again, there seems to be a lot of information that isn't known.

One of the previous reports on the case stated the following.

"He is drinking a beverage from an Arizona-brand can of iced tea."

Lawyers reach deal in Christopher Lamont Beatty's case - Fayetteville Observer: Local News​

Either the reporter was being creative or knows something the rest of us don't.





ReverendHellh0und said:
1. he had no badge,
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You have made this false claim several times now.
Try watching the video you provided.
He shows it @02:10.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
YOu've given me your knowledge on the subject, I asked for your opinion on this guys actions.

(note he reached for his badge as well, he just didn't have it)



What do you think of the no badge contact to arrest of this officer?>



basically what would you think if once attacked by a person CLAIMING to be a police officer turns around and kills this unkown unbadged person because they thought he was lying, would you think it justifiable homicide?
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oooops
 
WCH said:
Interesting they call it 'iced' tea. Round here it's ice tea.

Back to the topic, most issues with cops can be avoided by simple cooperation and compliance.
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I didn't see this cop show a badge or identify himself. Are you saying you'd be ok with random people walking up to you and claiming to be cops and investigating you? You really are one of the submissive sheep Benjamin Franklin warned us about...

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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reinoe said:
I didn't see this cop show a badge or identify himself.
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You didn't pay attention to the video then.
He verbally id's himself when asked and then shows his badge @02:10.
 
Excon said:
You didn't pay attention to the video then.
He verbally id's himself when asked and then shows his badge @02:10.
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You need to watch the video again. He "flashed" the "badge" so quickly it couldn't be identified. If you look again the victim is not able to confirm the badge. If you look at actual police revealing their badge, they show it and allow the individual to see it and identify it.

You're the kind of person who would be fooled by cartoon characters flashing a fake badge they got from a cereal box. :lamo
 
Excon said:
You didn't pay attention to the video then.
He verbally id's himself when asked and then shows his badge @02:10.
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And the badge was hidden by 02:11.

Seriously, you call that "showing a badge?" Not sufficient.
 
reinoe said:
You're the kind of person who would be fooled by cartoon characters flashing a fake badge they got from a cereal box. :lamo
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:doh
That would be you, as your concern over it shows.
Or in other words; Knock off the bs!


reinoe said:
You need to watch the video again. He "flashed" the "badge" so quickly it couldn't be identified. If you look again the victim is not able to confirm the badge. If you look at actual police revealing their badge, they show it and allow the individual to see it and identify it.
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:doh
Your claims were wrong. You didn't see it because you didn't pay attention.
He showed his badge and ID'd himself.

Don't care if you do not like the length that he showed it.
It was displayed long enough for anyone paying attention to know he showed his badge.



reinoe said:
If you look again the victim is not able to confirm the badge.
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Stop talking about **** you do not know.
It can be assumed from his action's as well as from the others present that they knew he was a cop from that moment on.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
It was shown.

But since you believe it wasn't, show under the law that it wasn't.
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That would have been for a judge to decide, assuming identification was an issue of the case. But it wasn't. The real issue was the blatant lack of reasonable suspicion.

My opinion was that the quick badge flash was not enough to positively identify a police officer, and therefore compliance was not required.
 
Excon said:
Stop talking about **** you do not know.
It can be assumed from his action's as well as from the others present that they knew he was a cop from that moment on.
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I do know. If you had viewed the video like you claim you did, you'd hear the victim saying "let me see your badge number". Instead of allowing his badge to be confirmed this cop shoved the victim and got aggressive. He's lucky none of those people were carrying guns. This cop definitely would have deserved to be shot.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You let strange men smell your ****? He never showed a badge.
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By not allowing the cop to smell his, IMO,he escalated the situation. By refusing to leave, he guaranteed himself further trouble.

The cop made a mistake by not showing his badge.
 
WCH said:
By not allowing the cop to smell his, IMO,he escalated the scenario.

The cop made a mistake by not showing his badge.
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You're not making any sense. The cop didn't properly show his badge but the man should have allowed this person to smell his tea and put him in cuffs? How does that work exactly?
 
Deuce said:
That would have been for a judge to decide, assuming identification was an issue of the case. But it wasn't. The real issue was the blatant lack of reasonable suspicion.

My opinion was that the quick badge flash was not enough to positively identify a police officer, and therefore compliance was not required.
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Maybe those fellas got the idea he was a cop after the very realistic cop-like takedown manuvour he used on that smart ass uncooperative, noncompliant brother?
 
reinoe said:
I didn't see this cop show a badge or identify himself. Are you saying you'd be ok with random people walking up to you and claiming to be cops and investigating you? You really are one of the submissive sheep Benjamin Franklin warned us about...
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You do know these are the same authorities who send underaged people into stores to catch employees selling alcohol to minors?
 
WCH said:
Nope but, all the guy had to do was let the cop.smell.his drink and all.would be good . Instead he cussed the guy out.

You make your own fate
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.... Ummm... he told the cop to look at the can... he didn't have to let the cop do anything as there was absolutely no reasonable suspicion to begin with. Your apologetics really are getting absurd.
 
WCH said:
You do know these are the same authorities who send underaged people into stores to catch employees selling alcohol to minors?
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:eek:t:spam:
 
Mason66 said:
Are they exempt from having to get a warrant before they demand a person incriminate themselves?
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Uhhh....

A warrant....

Methinks you don't know how the 4th Amendment ACTUALLY works.
 
rocket88 said:
Yes. They threw me to the ground and cuffed me in my house for a trip to the psych ward.
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Did they have Involuntary Committment papers?

Did you resist?
 
reinoe said:
I do know.
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No, you are talking about that which you do not know.
Asking for the number on the badge is different from knowing what the badge represents, or as you put it, "confirm the badge". :doh.


reinoe said:
If you had viewed the video like you claim you did, you'd hear the victim saying "let me see your badge number".
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And?

You were the only one not paying attention as you demonstrated by saying you didn't see what was clearly shown in the video.

You said two specific things; "I didn't see this cop show a badge or identify himself."
Yet he did both. He ID'd himself as an Officer at 00:55, and showed his badge at 02:10.


reinoe said:
Instead of allowing his badge to be confirmed this cop shoved the victim and got aggressive.
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:doh
You haven't shown he needs to do any such thing.
Again, like I previously said.
Don't care if you do not like the length that he showed it.
It was displayed long enough for anyone paying attention to know he showed his badge.​


reinoe said:
He's lucky none of those people were carrying guns. This cop definitely would have deserved to be shot.
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Besides being wrong, that is big talk coming from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.




Deuce said:
That would have been for a judge to decide, assuming identification was an issue of the case.
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My opinion was that the quick badge flash was not enough to positively identify a police officer, and therefore compliance was not required.
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Three claims were made.
1. A repeated and patently false claim that no badge was shown was made by one person.
2. Another person claimed they didn't see this cop show a badge or identify himself. Which only shows that person wasn't paying attention.
3. You then interjected with your bs nonsense after I corrected those two and falsely claimed it wasn't sufficient.
Which you still have failed to show it wasn't sufficient under the law. (Which you can't.) And are now trying to deflect by saying that it would need to be determined by the judge.

Bs. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
1. Very few States require an Officer ID their self (last I had occasion to check, it was two).
2. Most Departments have a policy regarding such, which is not law.
3. When out of normal Uniform, verbally ID'ing yourself as Police Officer and flashing a badge is sufficient.


Deuce said:
But it wasn't. The real issue was the blatant lack of reasonable suspicion.
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Which is irrelevant to the specific argument you interjected your self into.
 
WCH said:
By not allowing the cop to smell his, IMO,he escalated the situation. By refusing to leave, he guaranteed himself further trouble.

The cop made a mistake by not showing his badge.
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The cop made the mistake of ever talking to him in the first place.

I love how it's always the "small government" people who throw out the constitution whenever a citizen has their rights infringed upon by law enforcement.
 
Deuce said:
The cop made the mistake of ever talking to him in the first place.

I love how it's always the "small government" people who throw out the constitution whenever a citizen has their rights infringed upon by law enforcement.
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I love it how our opinions differ and every ****ing subject.

I love it how we disagree on Constituional and legal matters.

I LOVE BEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
 
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