Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
It does seem somewhat staged.

But then again, there seems to be a lot of information that isn't known.

One of the previous reports on the case stated the following.

"He is drinking a beverage from an Arizona-brand can of iced tea."

Lawyers reach deal in Christopher Lamont Beatty's case - Fayetteville Observer: Local News

Either the reporter was being creative or knows something the rest of us don't.

You have made this false claim several times now.
Try watching the video you provided.
He shows it @02:10.

lol, that's not showing it. and you can't see it, and he says "my badge's not here". (possibly)

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=iced+tea+arrest+no+badge

Seems the conventional wisdom is he didn't show it.

Would you tell your daughter to go with that "cop" if he tracked her down like that in a parking lot and wanted to cuff her?

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
You didn't pay attention to the video then.
He verbally id's himself when asked and then shows his badge @02:10.

lol really?

Verbal ID is proof? he says "my badge's not here" and that's not showing it. Ever see the chains around the neck badge and they pull it fully out?

as soon as he made contact, he needed to show him the badge in clear view, if he has one.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
lol, that's not showing it. and you can't see it, and he says "my badge's not here". (possibly)

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=iced+tea+arrest+no+badge

Seems the conventional wisdom is he didn't show it.

Would you tell your daughter to go with that "cop" if he tracked her down like that in a parking lot and wanted to cuff her?

1. Wrong! That is showing it.
2. Your claim was false.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

WCH said:
By not allowing the cop to smell his, IMO,he escalated the situation. By refusing to leave, he guaranteed himself further trouble.

**** that, if I'm doing nothing wrong, I'm not going to prostrate myself to some yahoo cop on a power trip.

The cop made a mistake by not showing his badge.

Could have cost him his life, justifiable homicide.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
lol really?

Verbal ID is proof? he says "my badge's not here" and that's not showing it. Ever see the chains around the neck badge and they pull it fully out?

as soon as he made contact, he needed to show him the badge in clear view, if he has one.

1. Verbal id is ID'ing oneself.
Just as it is for a non-officer.
2. No he does not say that. He says his badge is "right here".

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
1. Wrong! That is showing it.
2. Your claim was false.

I don't see a badge at 2:10 I see him point to where he keeps it.

This badge:

Was not there. it shiny.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
1. Verbal id is ID'ing oneself.

Bull****. Why am I to believe you? would you tell a wife, girlfriend or daughter, that this is enough if he wanted to cuff her?

Just as it is for a non-officer.

Wrong, I am not in an official state capacity of law enforcement.

2. No he does not say that. He says his badge is "right here".

I disagree, and we can't see that big shiny badge.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

WCH said:
Not at all. This cop got no respect from these hip- hoppers. It still looks staged.

ahhh no respect. poooor wittle..... copper.... maybe they have group meeting for feelings.

I don't have to respect a cop who doesn't respect the constitution.

****, no where does it say I have to respect any government employee... Though I do as long as I get the same.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Deuce said:
The cop made the mistake of ever talking to him in the first place.

I love how it's always the "small government" people who throw out the constitution whenever a citizen has their rights infringed upon by law enforcement.

what are you talking about. it's us small government people who are starting these topics.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't see a badge at 2:10 I see him point to where he keeps it.

This badge:

Was not there. it shiny.

Wrong. You can see he is pointing to something. Which would only be his badge. Which can later be seen to be in the same place as he takes him down.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
Bull****. Why am I to believe you? would you tell a wife, girlfriend or daughter, that this is enough if he wanted to cuff her?

I don't care about your problems.
Verbally ID'ing oneself is ID'ing your self.
He also showed his badge.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Wrong, I am not in an official state capacity of law enforcement.

Prove it.
Show the law from this state that says otherwise.
Either that or pay attention to what has been previously said.

1. Very few States require an Officer ID their self (last I had occasion to check, it was two).
2. Most Departments have a policy regarding such, which is not law.

ReverendHellh0und said:
I disagree, and we can't see that big shiny badge.

Wrong.
We can see a portion of it from what the camera sees, and then we can later see it flash by when he takes him down.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
Wrong. You can see he is pointing to something. Which would only be his badge. Which can later be seen to be in the same place as he takes him down.

You are being naive. He could be pointing to his peen for all we know, 1 second whatever it was was there and gone, Why won't you answer my question.

Pretend it's your wife, daughter, girlfriend, and that "Cop" did the same thing in a dark parking lot. Would you tell them to always comply?

rocket88 · Feb 11, 2015

WCH said:
Was it warrented?

It was completely unnecessary.

rocket88 · Feb 11, 2015

Caine said:
Did they have Involuntary Committment papers?

Did you resist?

They had no papers of any kind. I was not violent towards anybody in any way.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
I don't care about your problems.
Verbally ID'ing oneself is ID'ing your self.
He also showed his badge.

Prove it.
Show the law from this state that says otherwise.
Either that or pay attention to what has been previously said.

1. Very few States require an Officer ID their self (last I had occasion to check, it was two).
2. Most Departments have a policy regarding such, which is not law.

Wrong.
We can see a portion of it from what the camera sees, and then we can later see it flash by when he takes him down.

It's pretty simple.

He had no business making contact with the man.

He had no business wanting to "smell his can"

He had failed to properly show a badge identifying himself as a legitimate officer

Which lets pretend he did. he still did not have reasonable suspicion to demand anything.

This is police state statist policing

The judge agreed and dismissed the charges.

The cop behaved incorrectly.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
Wrong. You can see he is pointing to something. Which would only be his badge. Which can later be seen to be in the same place as he takes him down.

I see something small, maybe a badge, but he pointed to it quickly and in less than one second it's gone.

I guarantee you if some yahoo tried that where I grew up he'd be either laughed at or beat down.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

WCH said:
Not at all. This cop got no respect from these hip- hoppers. It still looks staged.

btw this "hip-hopper" is a veteran, he was a staff sergeant in the 82nd airborne.

rocket88 · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
I don't care about your problems.
Verbally ID'ing oneself is ID'ing your self.
He also showed his badge.

Prove it.
Show the law from this state that says otherwise.
Either that or pay attention to what has been previously said.

1. Very few States require an Officer ID their self (last I had occasion to check, it was two).
2. Most Departments have a policy regarding such, which is not law.

Wrong.
We can see a portion of it from what the camera sees, and then we can later see it flash by when he takes him down.

So if some random guy came up to you saying he was a cop, and demands to see what you are drinking, you are obliged to show him?

Anybody at all, because they just might be a cop?

rocket88 · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
I don't care about your problems.
Verbally ID'ing oneself is ID'ing your self.
He also showed his badge.

Keep this in mind for the next voter ID thread.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
It's pretty simple.

He had no business making contact with the man.

He had no business wanting to "smell his can"

[..]

The judge agreed and dismissed the charges.

:lamo
All of which is irrelevant to your false claim.
Do you really not understand that?

ReverendHellh0und said:
He had failed to properly show a badge identifying himself as a legitimate officer

Unsupported claim.
He Id himself. Both verbally and by showing his badge.

You do not set the standards as to what qualifies and have not supported any claim that it was improper.

You do realize that if there is no law requiring how he Id's himself it isn't against the law, right?

The cop behaved incorrectly.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 11, 2015

Excon said:
:lamo
All of which is irrelevant to your false claim.
Do you really not understand that?

Unsupported claim.
He Id himself. Both verbally and by showing his badge.

You do not set the standards as to what qualifies and have not supported any claim that it was improper.

You do realize that if there is no law requiring how he Id's himself it isn't against the law, right?

If I shot him in the head, it would be justifiable homicide as I had no proof he was an actual cop.

Judge would agree with me based on her ruling.

and again, by you ignoring my question on what you would tell you and yours to do in a similar situation, you know I am right.

The cop behaved incorrectly.[/QUOTE]

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

rocket88 said:
Keep this in mind for the next voter ID thread.

Irrelevant.
A person confronted on the streets only has to verbally ID their self when asked by police.
When engaged in an activity that requires a license, such as driving, you must produce the license when requested.

As this happened on the streets (so to say) the officer performed both verbal and flashed his badge.
Which is sufficient.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with ID'ing your self for such an activity like voting.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
I see something small, maybe a badge, but he pointed to it quickly and in less than one second it's gone.

Doesn't matter what you can fully see or not.
It was shown and they clearly understood they were dealing with a cop.

ReverendHellh0und said:
I guarantee you if some yahoo tried that where I grew up he'd be either laughed at or beat down.

You are engaged in exaggeration. Just stop. they clearly knew they were dealing with a cop.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

rocket88 said:
So if some random guy came up to you saying he was a cop, and demands to see what you are drinking, you are obliged to show him?

Anybody at all, because they just might be a cop?

Stick to the arguments I made.

Excon · Feb 11, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
If I shot him in the head, it would be justifiable homicide as I had no proof he was an actual cop.

Judge would agree with me based on her ruling.

and again, by you ignoring my question on what you would tell you and yours to do in a similar situation, you know I am right.

Wrong on all accounts.

Charges dismissed in Arizona Iced Tea arrest outside Fayetteville liquor store

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