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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses - ABC News


Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses
Alabama appeared set within hours to become the 37th state where gays can legally wed, prompting one couple to pitch a tent outside a courthouse even as the state's chief justice made an 11th hour bid to keep the weddings on hold Monday.Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore sent a letter Sunday evening to probate judges ordering them to refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses when the courts opened Monday morning. Moore wrote that the judges weren't bound by a federal judge's ruling Jan. 23 that the marriage ban was unconstitutional."Effective immediately, no probate judge of the state of Alabama nor any agent or employee of any Alabama probate judge shall issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent with (the Alabama Constitution)," Moore wrote.
Susan Watson, executive director The American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama, called the move by the conservative chief justice "grandstanding" and predicted licenses would be issued shortly."We will see marriage equality in Alabama tomorrow. I don't think the probate judges in Alabama are going to defy a federal court judge's order," Watson said late Sunday. The 7th Circuit in September issued a unanimous ruling overturning the gay marriage bans in Indiana and Wisconsin, legalizing gay marriage in those states.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/us/gay-marriage-set-to-begin-in-alabama-amid-protest.html?_r=0
Alabama's Top Judge: Same-Sex Marriage Is Illegal in State - NBC News

awwwwwww poor judge has his fweelings hwurt and thinks he has the power to disregard the fed and constitution . . .

Way to keep it classy Roy! lol

I hope he is removed from office and he is banned from every participating in government law again. :D
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

What an incredibly effective way to waste taxpayer dollars.

I feel for those lower judges who will probably lose their jobs.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It's the same RR extremist who got ****canned after putting the "10 commandments" statue in the courthouse way back in 2001. Despite that, alabama voters elected him to the *same position* in 2013, and he will be ****canned yet again for this.

Any probate judge who doesn't follow the federal court order will be sued personally and quite possibly disbarred. So i hope they do try to refuse.

Comparisons are being made to the george wallace fiasco, when the governor stood in front of the alabama college doors trying to prevent a few black students from entering, and the national guard had to be called out. This is the same kind of hatred. Alabama and oklahoma and michigan are determined to be vilified in history. Now who wants to join them before june, when SCOTUS puts them in their place?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

1.)What an incredibly effective way to waste taxpayer dollars.[/B]
2.)I feel for those lower judges who will probably lose their jobs.

1.) you can say that again
2.) nah they don't have to listen to that nutter
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It's the same RR extremist who got ****canned after putting the "10 commandments" statue in the courthouse way back in 2001. Despite that, alabama voters elected him to the *same position* in 2013, and he will be ****canned yet again for this.

Any probate judge who doesn't follow the federal court order will be sued personally and quite possibly disbarred. So i hope they do try to refuse.

Comparisons are being made to the george wallace fiasco, when the governor stood in front of the alabama college doors trying to prevent a few black students from entering, and the national guard had to be called out. This is the same kind of hatred. Alabama and oklahoma and michigan are determined to be vilified in history. Now who wants to join them before june, when SCOTUS puts them in their place?

yep just pure hatred and bigotry
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

What an incredibly effective way to waste taxpayer dollars.

I feel for those lower judges who will probably lose their jobs.

why would you pity them at all? Doing their job entails following the *federal* court order. The Equality Alabama group is also giving them fair warning they will sue the judges personally and report them to the bar if they deny any marriage licenses.

Here is the one county judge who seems to get it: "With all due respect to Chief Justice Moore, he’s on the Alabama Supreme Court, and he’s not a federal judge,” - Alan King of Jefferson County

Except i would contend that moore deserves no respect

So what's stopping the others from *following the federal court order and the appeals court rejection for a stay and the constitution?* Oh yeah, bigotry

Maybe if you saw their comments indicating how freely they're deciding this, you'd change your mind. Here's a sampling, many of them coming before this chief justice tard opened his mouth:

"“Marriage licenses and ceremonies are no longer available at the Pike County Probate Office”

Washington County Probate Judge Nick Williams released a “declaration in support of marriage” in which he said he would “only issue marriage licenses and solemnize ceremonies consistent with Alabama law and the U.S. Constitution; namely, between one man and one woman only, so help me God.”

"repugnant and repulsive to God. In other words, I believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for just such unnatural conduct between the same sexes" - a supposed brilliant legal mind sitting as a judge who i will not name

“I’m not going to be a party to it. "I was raised in a Christian home, and I was taught that it is a sin.” - geneva county probate judge

10 other county judges say they'll end marriage licenses for all couples. That is how deep their bigotry extends

I wonder how many prisoners and even murderers have married in alabama, yet they gleefully continue their heinous legacy of ****ting on minorities at every turn
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Have fun in line at the unemployment office, your dishonor.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

why would you pity them at all? Doing their job entails following the *federal* court order. The Equality Alabama group is also giving them fair warning they will sue the judges personally and report them to the bar if they deny any marriage licenses.

Here is the one county judge who seems to get it: "With all due respect to Chief Justice Moore, he’s on the Alabama Supreme Court, and he’s not a federal judge,” - Alan King of Jefferson County

Except i would contend that moore deserves no respect

So what's stopping the others from *following the federal court order and the appeals court rejection for a stay and the constitution?* Oh yeah, bigotry

Maybe if you saw their comments indicating how freely they're deciding this, you'd change your mind. Here's a sampling, many of them coming before this chief justice tard opened his mouth:

"“Marriage licenses and ceremonies are no longer available at the Pike County Probate Office”

Washington County Probate Judge Nick Williams released a “declaration in support of marriage” in which he said he would “only issue marriage licenses and solemnize ceremonies consistent with Alabama law and the U.S. Constitution; namely, between one man and one woman only, so help me God.”

"repugnant and repulsive to God. In other words, I believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for just such unnatural conduct between the same sexes" - a supposed brilliant legal mind sitting as a judge who i will not name

“I’m not going to be a party to it. "I was raised in a Christian home, and I was taught that it is a sin.” - geneva county probate judge

10 other county judges say they'll end marriage licenses for all couples. That is how deep their bigotry extends

I wonder how many prisoners and even murderers have married in alabama, yet they gleefully continue their heinous legacy of ****ting on minorities at every turn


My point was I *perhaps erroneously* assumed those lower judges are elected on a local level. And by doing their job, they would be voted out by the bigots that put this guy in power to begin with.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

why would you pity them at all? Doing their job entails following the *federal* court order. The Equality Alabama group is also giving them fair warning they will sue the judges personally and report them to the bar if they deny any marriage licenses.

Here is the one county judge who seems to get it: "With all due respect to Chief Justice Moore, he’s on the Alabama Supreme Court, and he’s not a federal judge,” - Alan King of Jefferson County

Except i would contend that moore deserves no respect

So what's stopping the others from *following the federal court order and the appeals court rejection for a stay and the constitution?* Oh yeah, bigotry

Maybe if you saw their comments indicating how freely they're deciding this, you'd change your mind. Here's a sampling, many of them coming before this chief justice tard opened his mouth:

"“Marriage licenses and ceremonies are no longer available at the Pike County Probate Office”

Washington County Probate Judge Nick Williams released a “declaration in support of marriage” in which he said he would “only issue marriage licenses and solemnize ceremonies consistent with Alabama law and the U.S. Constitution; namely, between one man and one woman only, so help me God.”

"repugnant and repulsive to God. In other words, I believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for just such unnatural conduct between the same sexes" - a supposed brilliant legal mind sitting as a judge who i will not name

“I’m not going to be a party to it. "I was raised in a Christian home, and I was taught that it is a sin.” - geneva county probate judge

10 other county judges say they'll end marriage licenses for all couples. That is how deep their bigotry extends

I wonder how many prisoners and even murderers have married in alabama, yet they gleefully continue their heinous legacy of ****ting on minorities at every turn


Pretty sad, isn't it? Do your jobs, judges, and issue marriage licenses to all couples.

And yeah, defying the federal court - stupid!
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

My point was I *perhaps erroneously* assumed those lower judges are elected on a local level. And by doing their job, they would be voted out by the bigots that put this guy in power to begin with.

I don't know if, in most cases, voters pay that much attention to judges. But if someone decides to put a lot of publicity around it then yes, it's possible they'd be voted out. For following the federal constitution...that would suck
 
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From your source I find this interesting, though it might end up being nothing:

Two of the U.S. Supreme Court's conservative justices, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, dissented from the court's decision not to further delay gay marriage in Alabama.


In a dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote that the high court's actions in allowing marriages to go ahead "may well be seen as a signal of the court's intended resolution of that question."
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I saw that Thomas quote; so he thinks people should be denied their rights because it "might be seen as a signal" otherwise? he's funny. I hope he's right that it's a signal!
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It is a pretty clear signal. The court is quite likely to rule in favor of gay marriage- that's why they declined to stay the federal decision. Normally, most decisions are stayed when the SCOTUS is deliberating the case.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

What ever happened to state's rights?

Since when did marriage become a federal priority?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

What ever happened to state's rights?

Since when did marriage become a federal priority?

since cases like Loving in the 1960s

And the cases where prisoners got the right to marry as part of their constitutional rights

States can control things like how the prisoner ceremony happens, but even Charles Manson has the right to marry

Once marriage is defined as an inalienable right, states can't frack it up anymore by discriminating against couples based on race or gender. Or prison status
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

since cases like Loving in the 1960s

And the cases where prisoners got the right to marry as part of their constitutional rights

States can control things like how the prisoner ceremony happens, but even Charles Manson has the right to marry

Once marriage is defined as an inalienable right, states can't frack it up anymore by discriminating against couples based on race or gender. Or prison status

Since when did the federal government need to get involved in whether prisoners have the "right" to marry?

We are so far removed from what the founders of this nation had in mind in terms of how our government is structured, it's ridiculous. I don't want the federal government involved with social issues.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I saw that Thomas quote; so he thinks people should be denied their rights because it "might be seen as a signal" otherwise? he's funny. I hope he's right that it's a signal!

That was not his reasoning, no. Here is his dissent in full: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14a840_gol1.pdf. What should be noted is that he does make very good points in his dissent. If SCOTUS should rule against SSM, then it does leave the states with kinda a mess. It might very well have been better to grant the stay and let things be more fully resolved before the state starts allowing SSM.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

What ever happened to state's rights?

Since when did marriage become a federal priority?

Insert 'interracial' before marriage and then think about it a bit.

It might dawn on you.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

That was not his reasoning, no. Here is his dissent in full: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14a840_gol1.pdf. What should be noted is that he does make very good points in his dissent. If SCOTUS should rule against SSM, then it does leave the states with kinda a mess. It might very well have been better to grant the stay and let things be more fully resolved before the state starts allowing SSM.

That leads reasonable people to believe the matter is already decided- just not yet announced.

It's a pretty strong signal to not stay the order and put hundreds of marriages in potential legal limbo...there is no good reason to do this unless they already know how it's going to go. Note the dissent was only written by two justices, with Alito and Roberts not commenting.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

That leads reasonable people to believe the matter is already decided- just not yet announced.

It's a pretty strong signal to not stay the order and put hundreds of marriages in potential legal limbo...there is no good reason to do this unless they already know how it's going to go. Note the dissent was only written by two justices, with Alito and Roberts not commenting.

While certainly possible, it is by no means guaranteed why. Further, if it is such a signal, it is entirely inappropriate. I am as pro-SSM as you can be, but I do kinda think that a wait of a few more months is not going to kill any one and prevent a possible mess. Thomas does a good job of explaining why a stay would have been reasonable.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

While certainly possible, it is by no means guaranteed why. Further, if it is such a signal, it is entirely inappropriate. I am as pro-SSM as you can be, but I do kinda think that a wait of a few more months is not going to kill any one and prevent a possible mess. Thomas does a good job of explaining why a stay would have been reasonable.

Why? Scalia has been pre-judging this case and others in every public forum he shows up on. Why is it suddenly this case where they should be careful not to telegraph their intentions?
 
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And yes, it would be a mess if the Supreme Court goes against SSM in their decision. But that's what they've been waiting for, right? for it to be so accepted that deciding anything besides "it's legal everywhere" would be a mess.....

There are many stupid situations happening already because it's not legal in all states. The more entrenched it gets, the easier for them to make the (in my opinion) correct decision and legalize it in all states.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Why? Scalia has been pre-judging this case and others in every public forum he shows up on. Why is it suddenly this case where they should be careful not to telegraph their intentions?

Why do you assume I approve of Scalia or any of his actions?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Why do you assume I approve of Scalia or any of his actions?

apologies, didn't mean that you approve of him. But I assume Thomas does, and I don't remember Thomas ever suggesting that Scalia shouldn't trumpet his decisions in advance.
 
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