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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I don't see it that way at all. Recognize my rights or not, I still have them, no one can truly take them away. They can oppress them, stifle them, and abridge them, but you can't ever take them. Because you didn't give them to me.

Which is what inalienable means, not what these liberal folks think it means. Inalienable means un-removable, cannot be separated, forever yours. It does not mean god given.. :)

But, what's a few misplaced words among otherwise intelligent people. :)

Tim-
 
My bad, the order only forces a single judge to issue marriage licenses to four couples.

You know, I just heard a disgraceful clip of none other than Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg. She was talking to the effect that it's going to happen, it's coming, blah, blah, blah.

One problem. This case is before the court right now. It is unethical for her to speak about out it. Of, course she is obliged to recuse herself from the case. I'm guessing she does not have the integrity to do the right thing.

As an aside, she forgot to mention that the court is bound to make their decision based on the Constitution. How sad.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Our rights don't come from god. Our rights come from our constitution.

We are not a theocracy, and we all don't believe in your god or Roy Moore's god.
The Constitution secures rights, it does not create them.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Our rights don't come from god. Our rights come from our constitution.

We are not a theocracy, and we all don't believe in your god or Roy Moore's god.

That's not true. We had those rights well before the Constitution. It just spelled it out, more so in the Declaration, prior to the Constitution.

And you don't have to believe in any God at all to have them.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

He's right. Rights only truly exist when they are recognized.
So in your view, most gay people in Alabama don't truly have a right to get married, because they're not being recognized?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

So in your view, most gay people in Alabama don't truly have a right to get married, because they're not being recognized?

I was trying to be more coy, but yeah that is essentially what he just said. ;)

Tim-
 
You know, I just heard a disgraceful clip of none other than Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg. She was talking to the effect that it's going to happen, it's coming, blah, blah, blah.

One problem. This case is before the court right now. It is unethical for her to speak about out it. Of, course she is obliged to recuse herself from the case. I'm guessing she does not have the integrity to do the right thing.

As an aside, she forgot to mention that the court is bound to make their decision based on the Constitution. How sad.
I think she's reached an age where she no longer gives a shot what others think of her, and no longer feels the need to follow unwritten rules. Case in point - today she admitted and even laughed about being drunk and passing out at Obama's State of the Union speech:

Ginsburg: ‘I Wasn’t 100 Percent Sober’ For State Of The Union Address « CBS DC
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Are you for equal rights? Size of a Govt is not relevant.

Depends, are you talking about the "rights" the entitled set pulls pull out of their ass at every turn, or actual rights? And yes, size matters, your girlfriend is lying to make you feel better. :mrgreen:
 
You know, I just heard a disgraceful clip of none other than Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg. She was talking to the effect that it's going to happen, it's coming, blah, blah, blah.

One problem. This case is before the court right now. It is unethical for her to speak about out it. Of, course she is obliged to recuse herself from the case. I'm guessing she does not have the integrity to do the right thing.

As an aside, she forgot to mention that the court is bound to make their decision based on the Constitution. How sad.

Do you share the same disdain for Scalia and believe that he should recuse himself? Afterall, Scalia also said that it is coming and that the "writing is on the wall". Should Scalia have the "integrity to do the right thing" as well? Or just those who are likely to vote with the majority?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

There is no "right way" when it comes to achieving basic dignity and equality, and i notice the bigots will find a way to complain regardless, like after DADT repeal, "Lawrence," and "Windsor"

Their objections don't concern me

That simply translates out to, "I want my way and I don't care how I get it". Thankfully, we don't govern ourselves like that.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

racial issues were one of the reasons it was birthed, that in no way means it only applies to racial issues LMAO thats the one of the most illogical and mentally inane "claims" i have ever heard

its original intent was EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW that fact can't be hidden. its verbiage starts out as ALL PERSONS Nobody educated and honest will ever by that all persons means "just race problems" and that "any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." means only certain laws and only certain people/issues. good grief lol

Fact remains your claims are wrong and the actually verbiage of the 14th along with the many court cases simply proves this fact.

False. The fact is the 14th was a reconstruction amendment. Educated and honest people know this.
 
You know, I just heard a disgraceful clip of none other than Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg. She was talking to the effect that it's going to happen, it's coming, blah, blah, blah.

One problem. This case is before the court right now. It is unethical for her to speak about out it. Of, course she is obliged to recuse herself from the case. I'm guessing she does not have the integrity to do the right thing.

As an aside, she forgot to mention that the court is bound to make their decision based on the Constitution. How sad.

Did you ever ask Scalia to recuse himself for all his comments prejudging cases? just wondering.

I don't know what Ginsberg said since you provided no link. But I know Scalia has been very vocal about his position
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

That's not true. We had those rights well before the Constitution. It just spelled it out, more so in the Declaration, prior to the Constitution.

And you don't have to believe in any God at all to have them.

So, when god sends hurricanes and floods and earthquakes, he is just punishing us or disrupting our rights?

I don't see any official proclaimation from god that states that he gave us our rights. Is he some kind of dictator?

Evidently he likes Americans the best, he waited all them centuries for our nation to be founded...

lunacy
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Oh please.. You wouldn't know the difference between a fact and opinion if it pissed on you. :)

But, if you're game and would like to play, care to illustrate how anything I've stated is NOT, in fact, factual? Be specific cupcake.


Tim-

weird can you point out where i said "you" stated somethign not factual in this thread? I was talking to another poster and the facts they posted. doth protest too much, methinks
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

lol WOW
this is GAINING liberty

the alternative is losing liberty and having fellow americans still be denied rights

equal rights winning is actual the measure of how long we accept liberty and rights being oppressed before we change it.

Everything about your claims is backwards and again the constitution, rights ,laws and court cases all prove that. Thank god are government doesnt work like you want it because we'd all lose freedom and rights.

You don't gain liberty through tyranny.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

False. The fact is the 14th was a reconstruction amendment. Educated and honest people know this.

weird how does that change the fact it applies to all persons and equal protection of the law . . oh thats right it doesnt
facts win again
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

weird how does that change the fact it applies to all persons and equal protection of the law . . oh thats right it doesnt
facts win again

Not for you they don't. Your facts aren't. This is your default fallback when you can't counter an argument. You get desperate and go with the "fact" routine. You behave like we've not all seen this before. :lamo
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

You don't gain liberty through tyranny.

correct tyranny is what the states were practicing over people and the fed fixed it

. . . . . hence liberty was gained :D
thank you for agreeing
facts win again
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Not for you they don't. Your facts aren't.

translation: you cant refute the facts so you deflect

please let us know when you can post one fact that stops the 14th from applying to all persons and equal protection of the law . . . one
thanks
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

correct tyranny is what the states were practicing over people and the fed fixed it

. . . . . hence liberty was gained :D
thank you for agreeing
facts win again

I get you, the doublespeak is dear to your heart and you won't let it go. Yeah, the people's tyranny has to be fixed by the benevolent federal government. :roll:
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I get you, the doublespeak is dear to your heart and you won't let it go. Yeah, the people's tyranny has to be fixed by the benevolent federal government. :roll:

wrong again the stats tyranny had to be fixed by the fed who upheld the constitution and protected individual rights
disagree? simply prove otherwise, you wont and you cant but please try
bring one fact to the table that proves the constitution, law, rights, court cases and the 45+ judges wrong . . .that would be GREAT thanks
facts win again
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

weird can you point out where i said "you" stated somethign not factual in this thread? I was talking to another poster and the facts they posted. doth protest too much, methinks

You were responding to Rogue, who was directly, and opposition to me. That implies you agree with his position that I am incorrect.

Tim-
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

wrong again the stats tyranny had to be fixed by the fed who upheld the constitution and protected individual rights
disagree? simply prove otherwise, you wont and you cant but please try
bring one fact to the table that proves the constitution, law, rights, court cases and the 45+ judges wrong . . .that would be GREAT thanks
facts win again


Already have, and I refuse to go down the "facts" rabbit hole with you. It's just more of you doing what you always do, avoid any discussion by claiming your opinions are facts. You're not fooling anyone.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Already have, and I refuse to go down the "facts" rabbit hole with you. It's just more of you doing what you always do, avoid any discussion by claiming your opinions are facts. You're not fooling anyone.

translation: you cant
but please let us know when you cant, thanks
facts win again
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

You were responding to Rogue, who was directly, and opposition to me. That implies you agree with his position that I am incorrect.

Tim-

translation: you cant point that out cause you made it up
sorry but that was your false assumption, you assumed and made up in your head thats what it implied, this is somethign that you commonly do but as usual that illogical assumption was factually wrong
only I can answer what my post was about and i did. Glad i could clear up your mistake for you. You're welcome
 
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