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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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beefheart said:
Moore got the SMACK handed to him.

It all boils down to him wanting to be a judge that follows "god's law" over the laws of the nation and the state.

He should be tossed out on his ear...again.
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Its so funny how he references Loving and how that was them being allowed to have their guaranteed right to pursuit of happiness, the same thing that homosexuals are looking for when looking to marry someone as the same sex.
 
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beefheart said:
Moore got the SMACK handed to him.

It all boils down to him wanting to be a judge that follows "god's law" over the laws of the nation and the state.

He should be tossed out on his ear...again.
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It was a pretty amazing interview. Too bad the satellite got cut off at the end.
 
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Hicup said:
Well we're not talking about Africa now are we? I was referring to the US and western societies, and it is a FACT, incontrovertible that if you stay away from homos and intravenous drug use, you have a statistically zero chance of getting HIV if you're a heterosexual, PERIOD!

Tim-
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Ummm....Magic Johnson > zero.

PERIOD!
 
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Deuce said:
Someone around here was saying recently that an "activist judge" is a judge who decides against the will of the people.

I can't remember who it was, though.

The constitution prevents the states from banning same-sex marriage, because of the 14th amendment. Sorry. Don't need to amend the constitution.
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It really doesn't. Not if you understand the purpose and intent of the 14th.
 
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clownboy said:
Unsafe sex with men who have had sex with other men. Homosexual sexual behavior still remains as one of the high risk factors for HIV/AIDS. Although, I'd imagine with the apparent upswing in heterosexual anal sex in the last generation heteroes are catching up.
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Unsafe sexual activity among gay and bisexual men is the highest risk factor for HIV because of many reasons. However, the most important part of that is "unsafe sexual activity". Homosexual sexual activity alone will not lead to HIV. If neither man has HIV/AIDS, they cannot get HIV/AIDS from each other. It has to be there to begin with in order for it to be passed on. And then, it has to involve unsafe sexual activity to pass it on. This is why lesbians are the least likely group to contract HIV because they are not likely to have sex in a way that passes on HIV and their partners are not likely to have HIV in the first place.
 
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clownboy said:
It really doesn't. Not if you understand the purpose and intent of the 14th.
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The "purpose and intent" of the 14th was to ensure that every citizen was treated equally under the law, even state laws. They specifically didn't place race in there because they had enough sense to recognize that there are more things than just race that a person may be treated differently by the law because of and that most of those things should not be used against someone. Additionally, we do not live in the 1800s. We live now. While it is important to recognize the feelings of that time, we are not bound by those "feelings" or even their intent, no matter how some may wish to believe we are.
 
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Hicup said:
Well we're not talking about Africa now are we? I was referring to the US and western societies, and it is a FACT, incontrovertible that if you stay away from homos and intravenous drug use, you have a statistically zero chance of getting HIV if you're a heterosexual, PERIOD!

Tim-
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I showed you the stats from the CDC. You may deny all you want, but you are wrong. Way more than "zero" people who are not gay and don't use drugs contract HIV in the US, the majority contracting it from heterosexual sexual contact.
 
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roguenuke said:
The "purpose and intent" of the 14th was to ensure that every citizen was treated equally under the law, even state laws. They specifically didn't place race in there because they had enough sense to recognize that there are more things than just race that a person may be treated differently by the law because of and that most of those things should not be used against someone. Additionally, we do not live in the 1800s. We live now. While it is important to recognize the feelings of that time, we are not bound by those "feelings" or even their intent, no matter how some may wish to believe we are.
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No, it was aimed specifically at the racial problems we were experiencing at the time. And it doesn't matter one whit how many years have passed, original intent counts just as much with amendments as it does with the Constitution itself or ANY law for that matter.
 
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clownboy said:
No, it was aimed specifically at the racial problems we were experiencing at the time. And it doesn't matter one whit how many years have passed, original intent counts just as much with amendments as it does with the Constitution itself or ANY law for that matter.
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Obviously it doesn't, or we wouldn't have had many of the unjust and unfair laws overturned throughout the years. Guess what? Most people are quite fine with that fact so long as it is laws they consider unjust or unfair. The only time people whine about it is when the laws are something they support.
 
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roguenuke said:
This is complete bull since most of those in Africa who have AIDS/HIV are heterosexuals and even the CDC confirms that everyone is at risk for HIV. So don't pretend the CDC agrees with you or confirms these claims, they don't.

CDC - Who's at Risk for HIV? - HIV/AIDS

While infections are lower among women, those women are pretty much all straight and most got it from unsafe sex with men.
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You have demonstrated MANY times that you lack the objectivity to properly debate this subject matter. As I claimed in my first post and which continues to remain true, if you can reliably know that you are not having sex with someone already with HIV, or a homosexual, or someone that was with a homosexual, or drug users you have a ZERO chance of acquiring HIV, period! It's not up for debate, Rogue it is a fact!

Why Are Women Affected by HIV?
•Some women may be unaware of their male partner’s risk factors for HIV (such as injection drug use or having sex with other men) and may not use condoms.
•Women have a much higher risk for getting HIV during vaginal sex without a condom than men do, and anal sex without a condom is riskier for women than vaginal sex without a condom. More than 20% of women aged 20 to 39 who responded to a national survey reported anal sex in the past year.
•Women may be afraid that their partner will leave them or even physically abuse them if they try to talk about condom use.
•Some sexually transmitted infections, such as gonorrhea and syphilis, greatly increase the likelihood of getting or spreading HIV.
•Women who have been sexually abused may be more likely than women with no abuse history to engage in sexual behaviors like exchanging sex for drugs, having multiple partners, or having sex with a partner who is physically abusive when asked to use a condom.
•Some HIV infections among women are due to injection drug and other substance use—either directly (sharing drug injection equipment contaminated with HIV) or indirectly (engaging in high-risk behaviors while under the influence of drugs or alcohol).
•The greater number of people living with HIV (prevalence) in African American and Hispanic/Latino communities and the fact that people tend to have sex with partners of the same race/ethnicity means that women from these communities face a greater risk of HIV infection with each new sexual encounter.
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This also applies to men, obviously!

Do you need further convincing? Rule of thumb: Stay away from sex partners that are suspect in any of these RISK categories, and you'll be fine!

Tim-
 
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roguenuke said:
The "purpose and intent" of the 14th was to ensure that every citizen was treated equally under the law, even state laws.
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You mean like allowing women to vote in state elections?

Why, then, did they pass the wholly uneccesary 19th?
 
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roguenuke said:
Obviously it doesn't, or we wouldn't have had many of the unjust and unfair laws overturned throughout the years. Guess what? Most people are quite fine with that fact so long as it is laws they consider unjust or unfair. The only time people whine about it is when the laws are something they support.
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In that last, yeah I've seen that, we all have. Doesn't make ignoring original intent any more valid. And no on the first. Cite those unjust laws that were overturned using the 14th where it wasn't about race.
 
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Taylor said:
You mean like allowing women to vote in state elections?

Why, then, did they pass the wholly uneccesary 19th?
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Wasn't overturned by the 14th.
 
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Taylor said:
Certainly you agree that (at least in this country) the vast majority of new cases of AIDS are due to irresponsible behavior among men who engage in sex with other men?
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This is an argument for same-sex marriage.
 
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roguenuke said:
While it is important to recognize the feelings of that time, we are not bound by those "feelings" or even their intent, no matter how some may wish to believe we are.
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Which is the sentiment that has made "rule of law" meaningless.
 
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clownboy said:
No, it was aimed specifically at the racial problems we were experiencing at the time. And it doesn't matter one whit how many years have passed, original intent counts just as much with amendments as it does with the Constitution itself or ANY law for that matter.
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The original intent is obviously not solely related to race because they didn't use the word "race" in the 14th amendment. They said equal protection of the laws, not equal protection of the laws as related to race.

Not that I give a **** what their intent was. It says equal protection of the laws. So we'll apply it to all of them.
 
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Deuce said:
This is an argument for same-sex marriage.
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It's not an argument at all, just a statement of fact.
 
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clownboy said:
It really doesn't. Not if you understand the purpose and intent of the 14th.
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I understand the purpose. You don't. You want it to apply narrowly, only to race. Don't know why you think unequal protection based on other characteristics was ever desired by anybody, and I don't know why you desire unequal protection. But I don't care.

You are arguing against individual liberty and trying to twist the constitution to fit your belief. The original intent of the birth of this country was to stop people like you.
 
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So Rogue or anyone else confused about the subject of HIV transmission and risk factors, take this scenario to make easy for you to understand.

Heterosexual man has sex with gay man.
Uses a condom
No alcohol no drugs
Heterosexual man has a significant statistical chance of acquiring HIV due to breakage, or anal blood exchanged between them.

Take the same scenario with heterosexual man has sex with heterosexual woman
Uses a condom.
No alcohol no drugs.
Heterosexual man has statistically zero chance (Statistically zero does not mean zero, zero) of acquiring HIV even if the condom breaks and/or there is an exchange of vaginal fluids or anal bleeding.

Does it make sense to you now, Rogue? ;)

Tim-
 
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Taylor said:
It's not an argument at all, just a statement of fact.
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No, it's definitely an argument for same-sex marriage. Marriage promotes monogamy, as any of the right-wingers here will tell you. Monogamy reduces the spread of disease. Yet another state interest in promoting same-sex marriage.

And we still don't have even a single legitimate state interest in defining marriage as between a man and a woman while excluding homosexual couples, failing to pass even the lowest tier of constitutional scrutiny under the 14th amendment.
 
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clownboy said:
Unsafe sex with men who have had sex with other men. Homosexual sexual behavior still remains as one of the high risk factors for HIV/AIDS. Although, I'd imagine with the apparent upswing in heterosexual anal sex in the last generation heteroes are catching up.
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I know of a few married heterosexual men who occasionally and very secretly, look for sex with other men. By definition, they are bisexual but would rather die than admit it.
 
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Hicup said:
So Rogue or anyone else confused about the subject of HIV transmission and risk factors, take this scenario to make easy for you to understand.

Heterosexual man has sex with gay man.
Uses a condom
No alcohol no drugs
Heterosexual man has a significant statistical chance of acquiring HIV due to breakage, or anal blood exchanged between them.

Take the same scenario with heterosexual man has sex with heterosexual woman
Uses a condom.
No alcohol no drugs.
Heterosexual man has statistically zero chance (Statistically zero does not mean zero, zero) of acquiring HIV even if the condom breaks and/or there is an exchange of vaginal fluids or anal bleeding.

Does it make sense to you now, Rogue? ;)

Tim-
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So are you trying to argue in favor of reinstating sodomy bans or is this just continuing down an irrelevant tangent?
 
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Taylor said:
You mean like allowing women to vote in state elections?

Why, then, did they pass the wholly uneccesary 19th?
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They had to make women full and equal citizens first, then the 14th applied to them.
 
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Deuce said:
No, it's definitely an argument for same-sex marriage. Marriage promotes monogamy, as any of the right-wingers here will tell you. Monogamy reduces the spread of disease. Yet another state interest in promoting same-sex marriage.

And we still don't have even a single legitimate state interest in defining marriage as between a man and a woman while excluding homosexual couples, failing to pass even the lowest tier of constitutional scrutiny under the 14th amendment.
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Oh, well then it must also an argument for forced castration. Castration makes anal sex impossible, as any of the left-wingers here will tell you. The wholesale reduction in the rate of anal sex reduces the spread of disease. Yet another state interest in forced castration of MSM.

:roll:
 
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roguenuke said:
They had to make women full and equal citizens first, then the 14th applied to them.
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Perhaps, then, you've never heard of the ERA?
 
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