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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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My complaint is to do with judicial activism. Doesn't matter the subject.

Except your definition of "judicial activism" is "any judge who rules in a way I disagree with."

You haven't responded to any of the actual constitutional arguments the judges are making. You're just declaring them to be wrong. When people point out that literally dozens of judges agree the constitution requires this, you just handwave it. You say it's an appeal to authority but don't provide any rebuttal.

What state interest is served by denying homosexuals the right to marriage? Because that's the test the 14th amendment requires. You might wish it didn't, but that's the deal.
 
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If judges are determining the law of hte land, one's vote doesn't count for much.

We're not a direct democracy so I really don't give a crap how many people vote against freedom. Judges don't get to change the law because 53% of the population wants them to. You are the one who wants judicial activism. You want judges to change their interpretation of the law and of the constitution based on the will of the people.
 
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because alabama is still in the middle ages, something most of europe left behind centuries ago

btw, how's that "segregation forever" going for you?

I live in Texas.
 
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Except your definition of "judicial activism" is "any judge who rules in a way I disagree with."

You haven't responded to any of the actual constitutional arguments the judges are making. You're just declaring them to be wrong. When people point out that literally dozens of judges agree the constitution requires this, you just handwave it. You say it's an appeal to authority but don't provide any rebuttal.

What state interest is served by denying homosexuals the right to marriage? Because that's the test the 14th amendment requires. You might wish it didn't, but that's the deal.

Judicial activism is where a judge overrides the will of the people.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

We're not a direct democracy so I really don't give a crap how many people vote against freedom. Judges don't get to change the law because 53% of the population wants them to. You are the one who wants judicial activism. You want judges to change their interpretation of the law and of the constitution based on the will of the people.

That's quite a stretch. Hmm.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Judicial activism is where a judge overrides the will of the people.

We're not a direct democracy so I really don't give a crap how many people vote against freedom. Judges don't get to change the law because 53% of the population wants them to. You are the one who wants judicial activism. You want judges to change their interpretation of the law and of the constitution based on the will of the people.

That's quite a stretch. Hmm.

Disproving yourself in the previous post is hilarious.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the "will of the people." Not sure what else to tell you. If the will of the people conflicts with the constitution, the constitution wins. Your remedy is to amend the constitution, I suggest you get working on that.
 
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This isn't a gay marriage issue, it's a public accommodation law issue. It was already the law that you can't discriminate against a customer on the basis of sexuality. (in many states, anyway)

The baker was already prevented from denying service to homosexuals.

Do you want all public accommodation laws repealed or just the ones that protect homosexuals? Religion, race, gender, should we continue to protect those?

What I want is for people to stop saying "it doesn't affect you".
 
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That's the bigotry we're working on purging.

Maybe you should start with your own bigotry. The world would be a better place.
 
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What I want is for people to stop saying "it doesn't affect you".

Is there a reason you didn't answer the question about other public accommodation laws? Do you actually have an opinion on them, regarding sexuality or any other classification?
 
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Disproving yourself in the previous post is hilarious.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the "will of the people." Not sure what else to tell you. If the will of the people conflicts with the constitution, the constitution wins. Your remedy is to amend the constitution, I suggest you get working on that.

The constitution never mentions your pet issue here. Judges "interpret" the constitution in a way that suits their agenda and, in so doing, they actually determine what the law is.

So the judge's interpretation, not the actual constitution, defines the law of the land.

Also, you fall in a common fallacy I see alot on this message board. Just because something happens to be the law of the land doesnt make that right, and it doesn't close the topic for discussion.
 
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Is there a reason you didn't answer the question about other public accommodation laws? Do you actually have an opinion on them, regarding sexuality or any other classification?

Yes, because sexual preference isn't a race, color, religion, national origin, or handicap. However, you would have sexual preference discriminating against religion, ironically enough.
 
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Maybe you should start with your own bigotry. The world would be a better place.

What would that be exactly, Hmmm?
 
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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses - ABC News




http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/us/gay-marriage-set-to-begin-in-alabama-amid-protest.html?_r=0
Alabama's Top Judge: Same-Sex Marriage Is Illegal in State - NBC News

awwwwwww poor judge has his fweelings hwurt and thinks he has the power to disregard the fed and constitution . . .

Way to keep it classy Roy! lol

I hope he is removed from office and he is banned from every participating in government law again. :D


Alabama - still the force for progress now that it was during the 1960's. Some things never change.
 
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The constitution never mentions your pet issue here. Judges "interpret" the constitution in a way that suits their agenda and, in so doing, they actually determine what the law is.
The 14th amendment doesn't mention anything specific.

You keep dodging this question:
If the 14th amendment doesn't mention anything specifically, does that mean it doesn't apply to anything?
 
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Yes, because sexual preference isn't a race, color, religion, national origin, or handicap. However, you would have sexual preference discriminating against religion, ironically enough.

As predicted, you are unwilling to actually say you disagree with public accommodation laws. You only raise objection to public accommodation laws that prevent YOUR discrimination.

My "discrimination," on the other hand, is apparently bad.
 
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What would that be exactly, Hmmm?

Bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Your own comments betray your bigotry, but for some reason you think your bigotry is okay. This is why I find discussions about "bigotry" so tedious.
 
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As predicted, you are unwilling to actually say you disagree with public accommodation laws. You only raise objection to public accommodation laws that prevent YOUR discrimination.

My "discrimination," on the other hand, is apparently bad.

What I disagree with is your definition of public accommodation laws, which protect YOUR discrimination.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Your own comments betray your bigotry, but for some reason you think your bigotry is okay. This is why I find discussions about "bigotry" so tedious.

I find it tedious when people whine about their supposed right to discriminate in a for-profit business that holds out to the public.
 
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What I disagree with is your definition of public accommodation laws, which protect YOUR discrimination.

Public accommodation laws are what they are. What's there to define?
 
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Judicial activism affects us all.

Says the one who wants judges to color their decisions based on the will of the people.
 
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I find it tedious when people whine about their supposed right to discriminate in a for-profit business that holds out to the public.

And I find it REALLY tedious when people bitch about "discrimination" where none exists.
 
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Says the one who wants judges to color their decisions based on the will of the people.

Yeah, to hell with what the people want. Who needs elections?
 
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And I find it REALLY tedious when people bitch about "discrimination" where none exists.

You can keep using your own definitions of words, but you're going to have communications problems.

How do you define public accommodation laws? Because yours seems to differ from reality.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Yeah, to hell with what the people want. Who needs elections?

The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Which part of that do you object to?
 
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