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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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Peter Grimm said:
It harms me any time the federal government comes in and forces a state in to an unwanted action. It harms me when unelected, unaccountable activist judges legislate from the bench instead of letting the people's voice be heard.

It's tyrrany. And tyrrany harms us all.
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Human rights, and self determination is tyranny? Wait a minute, you didn't just say that. Seriously though, do you REALLY CARE who gets married. Say, why you making such a big deal of this? You probably supported Bush's war, maybe even Obama's wars, why do you care about who loves each other??

Who do you think was the aggressor in the civil war?
 
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chromium said:
There is a very clear hierarchy in jurisdiction and supremacy. Probate courts are nowhere near the authority of state supreme courts, which are nowhere near the authority of federal courts + appeals court refuses stay + SCOTUS refuses stay

This is not goddamn rocket science or even 8th grade social studies
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Well it really depends on the context of the case, doesn't it? Oh my bad... must be something they teach when you get into that 8th grade social studies class.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I'll tell you, what we have become is NOT what the original founders had in mind.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. We should be far more progressed than people who died two hundred years ago thought, even if they were extremely progressive for their time. Progressive for 1780 is still an ignorant racist, misogynist, homophobic douchebag in 2015. We would be morally bankrupt as a nation if we were only as good as people in the 1780s.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
It harms me any time the federal government comes in and forces a state in to an unwanted action. It harms me when unelected, unaccountable activist judges legislate from the bench instead of letting the people's voice be heard.

It's tyrrany. And tyrrany harms us all.
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sorry equal rights is not tranny and equal rights benefits us all :D
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I'll tell you, what we have become is NOT what the original founders had in mind.
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says who did you facebook them?
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I will never understand why a man sitting in Europe, as you are, thinks he can lord over and dictate to the people of Alabama how they are supposed to live in their own state. The ego some of you guys have astounds me.
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And I will never understand how some people (Like you.) dream (not think.)that they can reserve some rights to themselves and refuse them to others.

The U.S. Supreme Court is about to sort this out and I'm sure that you won't like its decision.

But you'll have to live with it.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time,GOP.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
It harms me any time the federal government comes in and forces a state in to an unwanted action. It harms me when unelected, unaccountable activist judges legislate from the bench instead of letting the people's voice be heard.

It's tyrrany. And tyrrany harms us all.
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Who has taken away your right to vote ?

Fill us in. :roll:
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Provide evidence that me walking naked in times square harms children.
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I don't believe it does. You need to read more carefully.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Peter Grimm said:
It harms me any time the federal government comes in and forces a state in to an unwanted action. It harms me when unelected, unaccountable activist judges legislate from the bench instead of letting the people's voice be heard.

It's tyrrany. And tyrrany harms us all.
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Yes, your precious right to trample on the right to others is being trampled on. :lamo

Listen, we're not a direct democracy. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not a popular vote. If you want to ban gay marriage, you have an avenue for it: amend the constitution.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Pretty sure the 14th amendment doesn't mention gays.

So you have your supremecy clause, which says that federal law supersedes state law. But you have no federal law that expressly says all gays shall have the right to marry. So all you have is some federal judges who are liberally INTERPRETING the 14th amendment as it fits their agenda, who are then using the supremecy clause to impose their activism on the helpless people of Alabama
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The 14th amendment doesn't mention interracial marriage either.

In your opinion, what does the 14th amendment's equal protection clause apply to? It doesn't mention anything specifically.

Yes, this is a question of the 14th amendment. Equal protection under the law. Gay couples are not being provided equal protection under the law, and you have yet to justify that state-sanctioned discrimination.
 
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Update: The Alabama SC chief is still throwing his tantrum.

The chief justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama has announced that probate judges who defied his orders not to issue same-sex “marriage” licenses in violation of the state constitution will now face charges. “Charges will be filed against probate judges who violated the chief justice’s orders,” Roy Moore wrote on Facebook Monday night. Moore had issued his order late Sunday night banning probate judges in the state from issuing the licenses to homosexuals. “Effective immediately, no probate judge of the State of Alabama nor any agent or employee of any Alabama probate judge shall issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent with Article 1, Section 36.03, of the Alabama Constitution or § 30-1-19, Ala. Code 1975,” he wrote.
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He was already removed from the Chief Justice position in 2003 for refusal to comply with orders from a higher court. The wonderful people of Alabama re-elected him anyway in 2012.

He's going to get removed again. Maybe even disbarred.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Speaking of rules and such, there is a forum rule against personal attacks. Your whole "pick up a book and learn something," this being the second time you've done this, is tiresome and our debate is finished.
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Its not a personal attack. Education is not a bad thing. The Supremacy clause does not mean that Federal Law trumps States Law, you have to understand how the Supremacy clause operates and when it trumps state laws. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Deuce said:
No. We dont vote on individual liberty in this country. If you want to restrict individual liberty, you need a better reason than "I don't like it."
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well we are not supposed to, but it happens in america.........smoking bans placed on private property.
 
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Deuce said:
Update: The Alabama SC chief is still throwing his tantrum.



He was already removed from the Chief Justice position in 2003 for refusal to comply with orders from a higher court. The wonderful people of Alabama re-elected him anyway in 2012.

He's going to get removed again. Maybe even disbarred.
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He insulted himself this time, so not likely.

Also,

Joe. My. God.: REPORT: Roy Moore To File Charges Against Judges Who Issue Licenses

here (where I had to google your quote, because you didn't leave a link) notes Moore doesn't have that on his facebook page. Though, he may have deleted it.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
But it is illegal. I would get arrested. How do you square that circle?
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I would suggest you use the court system if you feel your rights are violated.

I personally don't care if you're running around nude or clothed. I recommend you base it on the weather though. Don't want to freeze your butt to a metal bench.
 
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Edit to my last "Insulated himself."

Not insulted. lol
 
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Deuce said:
He was already removed from the Chief Justice position in 2003 for refusal to comply with orders from a higher court. The wonderful people of Alabama re-elected him anyway in 2012.

He's going to get removed again. Maybe even disbarred.
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On what grounds?
 
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Deuce said:
Update: The Alabama SC chief is still throwing his tantrum.



He was already removed from the Chief Justice position in 2003 for refusal to comply with orders from a higher court. The wonderful people of Alabama re-elected him anyway in 2012.

He's going to get removed again. Maybe even disbarred.
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I read the gov said he wasn't going to do anything against any judge, regardless if they issued licenses or not, so maybe that's why Moore feels he has to start charging judges who do issue them. Hopefully he comes to his senses... the few that he has
 
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Paperview said:
Edit to my last "Insulated himself."

Not insulted. lol
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I was wondering! wouldn't put it beyond him to insult himself as well...
 
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Paperview said:
here (where I had to google your quote, because you didn't leave a link) notes Moore doesn't have that on his facebook page. Though, he may have deleted it.
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The threats of charges became empty threats once the Governor indicated an unwillingness to enforce.
 
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Or, they really do believe in the Bible.
 
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Meister said:
Or, they really do believe in the Bible.
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Lost track of who your "they" refers to - I will assume the judges?


hmmmm... does it say in the christian bible that god will smite down any probate judge who issues a marriage certificate to a same sex couple? seems pretty specific (smile)

If they don't want to do their job, they can of course step down. Resign. Let another judge who is willing to do the entire job do it.

I am impressed by the judges who aren't issuing ANY marriage licenses right now - gay or straight. At least they are spreading the pain to all and being fair about it, even if I disagree with them. Should help get them voted out
 
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Meister said:
Or, they really do believe in the Bible.
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That's fine, but the US isn't governed by the Bible, nor any other fictitious writings of old.
 
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Taylor said:
On what grounds?
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Refusal to comply with the supreme court. Again.

The law is clear, the issue is decided. Same-sex marriage licenses must be issued in Alabama. The Supreme Court of the United States says so. The only avenue at this point is amending the US constitution, or a later Supreme Court ruling in a reversal. (both are pipe dreams at this stage) It's over.

Anyone in Alabama refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses right now is in violation of the law. This bull**** about holding off "for clarification?" Just that. Bull****. There is no source of possible confusion, the Supreme Court has been incredibly clear and incredibly patient with these people. Next step is charges of contempt and ever-increasing fines until compliance. Possible disbarment of judges who continue to throw a tantrum, replacing them with someone who will follow the law.

Stop dragging your feet so hard against someone else's rights, Alabama. It's just reconfirming every stereotype about your ignorant, hillybilly ****hole of a state.
 
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