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Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses[W:344,535,718]

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The governor has announced there will be no punishment of judges regardless of their decision.

Which, unlike SCOTUS, was the correct call.

uhm the governor only has so much control FYI
there can still be punishment it just wont come from him
like the judge that is going against the fed he has no power and could find himself being punished also
 
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Governor Bentley announced that "he" would not punish Probate Judges refusing the Federal Court order.

He cannot say "there will be no punishment", depending on how the contempt case(s) turn out - he has no control over penalties issued by a Federal court.



(Just pointing out the minor correction)



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correct you just beat me to it
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Again, the "equal protection" clause simply does not apply in this situation: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/215175-scotus-moderate-decision-ssm-3.html#post1064246097.

It is ridiculous to assert that equal protection doesn't apply to any action involving more than one party. Since all contracts are between more than one party, your assertion is that contract law is wholly excluded from the equal protection clause.

Numerous court precedents reject this notion. Not the least of which is Loving, in which marriage contracts between two individuals of different races were being blocked. Your assertion is that equal protection wouldn't apply because each person in that marriage could get married, just not to each other. Rejected.

You keep declaring with such certainty that SCOTUS will rule in favor of states' rights. Are you willing to bet on it? I will give you 3:1 odds. My $30 forum donation against your $10 forum donation that the Supreme Court will rule that same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. I want to know if you are really as confident as you try to appear.

This offer extends to any DP member.
 
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Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Governor Bentley announced that "he" would not punish Probate Judges refusing the Federal Court order.

He cannot say "there will be no punishment", depending on how the contempt case(s) turn out - he has no control over penalties issued by a Federal court.

It's about time there was an uprising against the all powerful federal government. They've been grabbing power that they were never supposed to have for hundreds of years. I think we need some amendments that give the States a much quicker route to knock the feds back when they do what they are not allowed to do. And all these judges, including the Supreme Court, need to have limited terms and an a better check against their actions.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It's about time there was an uprising against the all powerful federal government. They've been grabbing power that they were never supposed to have for hundreds of years. I think we need some amendments that give the States a much quicker route to knock the feds back when they do what they are not allowed to do. And all these judges, including the Supreme Court, need to have limited terms and an a better check against their actions.

so the 25+ cases and 45+ judges got it wrong?
based on what? lol
please present to us what facts you have on your side that should trump the constitution, law, rights, and all those court cases and judges besides your feelings, thanks
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It's about time there was an uprising against the all powerful federal government. They've been grabbing power that they were never supposed to have for hundreds of years. I think we need some amendments that give the States a much quicker route to knock the feds back when they do what they are not allowed to do. And all these judges, including the Supreme Court, need to have limited terms and an a better check against their actions.

Do you want all judges to be elected rather than appointed?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

It's about time there was an uprising against the all powerful federal government. They've been grabbing power that they were never supposed to have for hundreds of years. I think we need some amendments that give the States a much quicker route to knock the feds back when they do what they are not allowed to do. And all these judges, including the Supreme Court, need to have limited terms and an a better check against their actions.

Are you really advocating treason here? an "uprising"?

I would actually agree that the Supreme court justices should be term-limited, and there are some proposals out there that would ensure every president got to nominate one or two justices during their term in office. But "uprising"? that's ridiculous
 
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Do you want all judges to be elected rather than appointed?

No, they can still be appointed, just not for life. We don't need that. Plus, sometimes it just time to go. People retire from their jobs when they get too old, many of these guys stay past their usefulness.
 
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Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Do you want all judges to be elected rather than appointed?

I think he's right about the better check. Certainly there should be an easier way to overturn SCOTUS decisions than the full Amendment Process. I'm thinking a supermajority of Congress w/ a Presidential Signature ought to be a good (tentative) step.
 
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That gay marriage is just NOW coming in to play reflects cultural shifts, and it goes to show that the constitution can be interpreted BOTH to include and exclude gay marriage.

Gay marriage has been illegal for years, and that was the law of the land, and we had the 14th amendment. So what changed?

Activism, and cultural shifts.

So, fine. But let the activists stay in their own damn states. Alabama wants nothing to do with you, and it will only come back to bite you.

Please, for the love of all things holy, change your "Lean" description. There is no way in hell that you are a left-leaning libertarian.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

I think he's right about the better check. Certainly there should be an easier way to overturn SCOTUS decisions than the full Amendment Process. I'm thinking a supermajority of Congress w/ a Presidential Signature ought to be a good (tentative) step.

A change which would require a constitutional amendment. >.<

Although impeachment already exists with a threshold similar to what you describe.
No, they can still be appointed, just not for life. We don't need that. Plus, sometimes it just time to go. People retire from their jobs when they get too old, many of these guys stay past their usefulness.

I agree. Scalia has clearly gone senile ;)
 
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Please, for the love of all things holy, change your "Lean" description. There is no way in hell that you are a left-leaning libertarian.

Sounds more like right-wing authoritarian to me.
 
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Sounds more like right-wing authoritarian to me.

Sometimes I change my "lean" to the exact opposite, just for fun. It's interesting to see the difference in the responses you get.
 
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Sometimes I change my "lean" to the exact opposite, just for fun. It's interesting to see the difference in the responses you get.

I feel the same about "undisclosed." People sometimes act like they've discovered some major scandal and point out that I'm liberal. Why are you hiding behind undisclosed, deuce?
 
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I feel the same about "undisclosed." People sometimes act like they've discovered some major scandal and point out that I'm liberal. Why are you hiding behind undisclosed, deuce?

I don't know about you, I'm just too lazy to do anything with my profile.....

re supreme court term limits - one popular proposal is 18 years
Running the Numbers on Supreme Court Term Limits | Brennan Center for Justice

The proposals vary, but the best loved seems to be for staggered 18-year terms. At the end of the term, the Justice would take senior status. The nine junior Justices would comprise the “deciding” portion of the Court. Each President would get two appointments every term.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

The governor has announced there will be no punishment of judges regardless of their decision.

Which, unlike SCOTUS, was the correct call.


so lower judges are not elected in the state?
 
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That's fine, but the US isn't governed by the Bible, nor any other fictitious writings of old.

Ficticious writings? Hmmmm

Show me where I'm wrong where gay marriage was legal 20 years ago. This country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values, no doubt about that.
I can't help if the uber liberal values of this country are morphing our country to something it once wasn't.

Oh yeah.....I'm not homophobic as liberals like to label those who live believing in the Bible. It's just the belief that a marriage is between a Man and Woman as stated in the Bible.
 
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Oh yeah.....I'm not homophobic as liberals like to label those who live believing in the Bible. It's just the belief that a marriage is between a Man and Woman as stated in the Bible.

But why does that belief have to translate into denying other people the right to marry the person they want? Why is your moral disapproval enough to restrict individual liberty?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

The governor has announced there will be no punishment of judges regardless of their decision.

Which, unlike SCOTUS, was the correct call.

So you think the governor is in charge of the bar association, or federal courts that will give out contempt orders, or lawsuits filed in federal court?

Actually the governor has no authority whatsoever in this matter, that i can think of, except to stand in front of a probate office like george wallace and wait for national guard to show up
 
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I will never understand why a man sitting in Europe, as you are, thinks he can lord over and dictate to the people of Alabama how they are supposed to live in their own state. The ego some of you guys have astounds me.

because alabama is still in the middle ages, something most of europe left behind centuries ago

btw, how's that "segregation forever" going for you?
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Well it really depends on the context of the case, doesn't it? Oh my bad... must be something they teach when you get into that 8th grade social studies class.

In matters of state laws that violate the constitution, the federal courts have jurisdiction, period. That is entirely why the federal courts exist
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

But why does that belief have to translate into denying other people the right to marry the person they want? Why is your moral disapproval enough to restrict individual liberty?

Where will it stop with the liberals? Polygamy? Will that be their defining moment for reigning in "individual liberty"? Or, parents marrying their children, will that be it?
If it feels good then it should be legal, right?

It's just the tip of the iceberg for the possibilities......it's all about individual liberties after all, right?
At least the Bible did define marriage. So did the courts up until our generation.
 
Re: Ala Chief Justice Tells Judges: Refuse Gay Marriage Licenses

Ficticious writings? Hmmmm

Show me where I'm wrong where gay marriage was legal 20 years ago. This country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values, no doubt about that.
I can't help if the uber liberal values of this country are morphing our country to something it once wasn't.

Oh yeah.....I'm not homophobic as liberals like to label those who live believing in the Bible. It's just the belief that a marriage is between a Man and Woman as stated in the Bible.

Yeah well the bible hasn't any place in US policy and were working on that, a few more generations and all that bigotry will be gone.
 
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