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In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State

The fundamental media bias isn't political, it is financial. "Muslims on other side of the planet want peace" isn't a story that sells advertising space. Death and explosions do. i'd place blame on them, but we're the ones buying the product so it's not like we are blameless ourselves.

I see and acknowledge that you are seeing the media bias as financial. I'll admit that there's that element to it.

However, I'm also seeing a fundamental media bias for the liberal / progressive agenda and against, what strikes me anyway, as a more common sense conservative agenda. True, not all of it is, but most of it.
 
Let's not get sidetracked. We were discussing the 'moderate' Muslims who claim to be anti-terrorist.

Yes and I have provided in my earlier post links to new sources about moderat muslims working to stop ISIS recruiting in the West and I also linked to the battle of Kobani.

You have also the kingdom of Jordan that already is fighting the ISIS and giving ISIS members the death penalty. That now also up the ante in their fight against ISIS because one of their pilot fighting the ISIS got brutally murdered. Just like USA would have up the ante if an american soldier got burned alive by the enemy.

You also have to understand that moderat muslims is not only struggling against organizations like ISIS but also against fundamentalist supported by the West.

That Saudi fundamentilist are for example trying to build mosqeus in the West with their Western oil money.

That at the same time moderate Saudi muslims that try to question the fundementalist teaching of the USA protected Saudi goverment, is for example sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1 000 lashes.

Planned flogging of Saudi blogger Raif Badawi postponed again | World news | The Guardian
 
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Have you personally taken action against violent street gangs?

I have.....how may from your side that come from the sheltered backyard, do? Why is those from your side of the aisle tremble and quake when dealing with these types?
 
Gee, I didn't see that coming. :roll:

Prove there are billions who agree with you.

I see this going nowhere.

Have a good day.

He forgot the Chinese and Hindu Indians have billions.....which doesn't count the rest of the planet and minus the 1.7 billion Muslims.
 
It is the Leftists, not 'westerners' who appear indifferent. They seem more concerned about 'Islamophobia' then the indiscriminate torture and murders being carried out around the world, though especially in the Mid East and Africa.

Well, and to take the opposite of what those on the Right say. Until it is at their front door. Then when the police can't come. Guess who they run to for help.
 
Uhh more Muslims have been fighting ISIS than anyone else.

That's not saying much when it comes to their sectarian divide as then it is Muslim fighting Muslim.

Kind of like the US divide.....all we are waiting on is for the Left to start that Civil War they can't handle. Or to sell out the country.....then you know whats coming down correct?
 
Actually they've been driven back recently, part of which you mentioned yourself, but whose keeping track of results anyway?

So, now the standard is not only fighting, but they have to win fast enough for you.

Do you also blame Americans? Not the Obama administration. Yourself. Your neighbors. Ted the carpenter from Ohio. Do you condemn any of them? After all, America has participated in military operations against ISIS, but ISIS still exists. Are the American people to blame?



Actually they haven't, if you actually kept up with current events. Even while losing Kobane they increased ground Inside Syria and gained more Supporters in the Sinai and Libya. While Opening up a front with Lebanon.

While ISIS flags showed up in Bosnia.

What happened.....You thought you had it Right. But for some reason it didn't connect with reality.
 
Of course it will go nowhere, because you know full well you are asking for something ridiculous. You can't prove a negative.

Prove unicorns don't agree with me.

Stupid, right? Yes, you are 100% correct. Your little request is going nowhere.

LOL. My little request.

I knew it was going nowhere with you from the beginning. Par for the course.

Pope Francis calls on Muslim leaders to issue global condemnation of Isis - Middle East - World - The Independent

Monday 01 December 2014

During talks on Friday with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, Pope Francis said he had made the suggestion of a global condemnation of terrorism by Islamic leaders.

“I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people,” he told reporters aboard the flight.​

So according to your standards, the Pope posts here at DP.

You need to get better at not looking foolish when trying to deny what is obvious.
 
LOL. My little request.

I knew it was going nowhere with you from the beginning. Par for the course.

Pope Francis calls on Muslim leaders to issue global condemnation of Isis - Middle East - World - The Independent

Monday 01 December 2014

During talks on Friday with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, Pope Francis said he had made the suggestion of a global condemnation of terrorism by Islamic leaders.

“I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people,” he told reporters aboard the flight.​

So according to your standards, the Pope posts here at DP.

You need to get better at not looking foolish when trying to deny what is obvious.


Aww now ya done it Ocean :shock: That will be more fuel to mock and blame Christians. :mrgreen:
 
Ok...fine...tell us what you believe will work.

Good schools, access to safe food and water supplies, economic growth, that kind of thing.
 
Good schools, access to safe food and water supplies, economic growth, that kind of thing.

Gona have to kill all the terrorists before any of that can happen. I don't know what part of that y'all don't understand.
 
I'm interested in the terrorists just leaving US and innocents alone. Don't really a crap they do in their own, or in their own little corner of the world, or to the fools that follow them.

Couple of problems with that tho. These Militant Islamic Fundamentalists keep exporting their attacks to other nations and locations, and, as more recently and logically demonstrated by Sen. Tom Cotton:
Tom Cotton Unloads On Guantanamo: "Terrorists Can Rot In Hell," The Only Problem Is "Too Many Empty Beds" | Video | RealClearPolitics (Bolding mine)

As for leaving us alone, that just ain't gona happen.
 
As for leaving us alone, that just ain't gona happen.

I really don't care if the Islamic fundamentalists want to construct and run their society by barbaric laws circa 1200 BC, and kill and abuse their own people in their own little corner of the world. I really don't. They are free to have their own little backwards society to their hearts content.

The collision of cultures occurs when they export their terrorist activities to the Western nations and other nations not under their control, and also have plans for world Muslim domination enforcing these barbaric Sharia laws by violence, which is part of their fundamental religious tenants. And I agree with you, leaving us alone just isn't going to happen.

Better to cut this cancer on humanity out before it infects an even greater part of the world.
 
I really don't care if the Islamic fundamentalists want to construct and run their society by barbaric laws circa 1200 BC, and kill and abuse their own people in their own little corner of the world. I really don't. They are free to have their own little backwards society to their hearts content.

The collision of cultures occurs when they export their terrorist activities to the Western nations and other nations not under their control, and also have plans for world Muslim domination enforcing these barbaric Sharia laws by violence, which is part of their fundamental religious tenants. And I agree with you, leaving us alone just isn't going to happen.

Better to cut this cancer on humanity out before it infects an even greater part of the world.

I don't care what they do there, either. But, they want to take their show on the road and make it international. The only way to stop that, is to kill'em all.
 
I don't care what they do there, either. But, they want to take their show on the road and make it international. The only way to stop that, is to kill'em all.

Or at least kill enough of them so that they stop taking it on the road. But I'm willing to entertain ANY way that effectively keeps their road show from hitting the road.
 
Its about ****ing time!!!!!!!!


In unison, Muslim clerics lash out against Islamic State


BAGHDAD (AP) — The immolation of a Jordanian pilot by the Islamic State group has brought a unified outcry Friday from top religious clerics across the Muslim world — including a prominent jihadi preacher — who insisted the militants have gone too far.

This has been happening all along, all one ever needed to do was watch the news in your hotel room in Delhi or Rio, for whatever reason, US media hasn't paid much attention to it. Glad to see this making headlines here now.
 
Or at least kill enough of them so that they stop taking it on the road. But I'm willing to entertain ANY way that effectively keeps their road show from hitting the road.

No your not. You'd have to stop supporting US military interventions as well as covert interferences. Something you're not willing to do, so watch for more of the "road show"!
 
No your not. You'd have to stop supporting US military interventions as well as covert interferences. Something you're not willing to do, so watch for more of the "road show"!

We've tried appeasement It didn't ork.
What military response was there to the first World Trade Center bombing?
What military response was there to the USS Cole bombing?
What military response was there when Hezbollah bombed our Marine Baracks in Lebanon?

No, you are failing to realize and come to grips with the fact that
"Islamic terrorists do not need an excuse to attack the United States, to attack us is what they do, they attack us for what we are."
Senator Tom Cotton.

Instead, it's some sort of law enforcement matter, which is sure to make the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists laugh at us and our silly notions. No, I'm thinking that we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with Jordan and others of similar mind.

But still. If you've got such a sure fire, guaranteed idea that will stop the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists from attacking the Western peoples for who they are, I'm willing to listen.

I think you are sadly mistaken to think that US military interventions as well as covert interferences are what motivates the the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists into attacking the West and western peoples. Not when part of their core belief system is to spread their version of Islam across the planet, and enforce Sharia law on all peoples, subjugating them by force.
 
We've tried appeasement It didn't ork.
What military response was there to the first World Trade Center bombing?
What military response was there to the USS Cole bombing?
What military response was there when Hezbollah bombed our Marine Baracks in Lebanon?

No, you are failing to realize and come to grips with the fact that
"Islamic terrorists do not need an excuse to attack the United States, to attack us is what they do, they attack us for what we are."
Senator Tom Cotton.

Instead, it's some sort of law enforcement matter, which is sure to make the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists laugh at us and our silly notions. No, I'm thinking that we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with Jordan and others of similar mind.

But still. If you've got such a sure fire, guaranteed idea that will stop the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists from attacking the Western peoples for who they are, I'm willing to listen.

I think you are sadly mistaken to think that US military interventions as well as covert interferences are what motivates the the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists into attacking the West and western peoples. Not when part of their core belief system is to spread their version of Islam across the planet, and enforce Sharia law on all peoples, subjugating them by force.

Mischaracterising my position won't advance our discussion. I'm no supporter of appeasement, so long as our policies don't provoke and encourage bad behavior. Furthermore, there's never been a question of what Islamic extremists ambitions are, at least for me there's not. I readily accept that they would love to see their caliphate and the imposition of sharia globally I suppose and not just in their region. Listen carefully as I articulate for the umpteenth time my concerns. Before the invasion of A-Stan, and the removal of strong figures such as Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, these extremists kept a very low profile and had no way of ever even hoping to realise those ambitions. Neither of those aforementioned leaders gave any quarters to them. They dwelt in the shadows where it was difficult to galvanise, organise and do that much, with only limited successes. That's all gone now, and in the power vacuums left in the wake, they are operational in the light of day. And the state of affairs in the Middle East, have never been worse in my lifetime. I understand that your not going to accept responsibility for this, but it doesn't change the fact that USFP for decades now has been a failure in the ME. Hopefully someone who thinks like Ron Paul (on FP, before you jump me on that) will win the reigns to the WH some day.
 
Mischaracterising my position won't advance our discussion. I'm no supporter of appeasement, so long as our policies don't provoke and encourage bad behavior. Furthermore, there's never been a question of what Islamic extremists ambitions are, at least for me there's not. I readily accept that they would love to see their caliphate and the imposition of sharia globally I suppose and not just in their region. Listen carefully as I articulate for the umpteenth time my concerns. Before the invasion of A-Stan, and the removal of strong figures such as Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, these extremists kept a very low profile and had no way of ever even hoping to realise those ambitions. Neither of those aforementioned leaders gave any quarters to them. They dwelt in the shadows where it was difficult to galvanise, organise and do that much, with only limited successes. That's all gone now, and in the power vacuums left in the wake, they are operational in the light of day. And the state of affairs in the Middle East, have never been worse in my lifetime. I understand that your not going to accept responsibility for this, but it doesn't change the fact that USFP for decades now has been a failure in the ME. Hopefully someone who thinks like Ron Paul (on FP, before you jump me on that) will win the reigns to the WH some day.

OK.

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the battle against ISIS and Militant Islamic Fundamentalists would be operating at a reduced capacity and a reduced effectiveness?

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the chances of this aggression against the West would be further emboldened?

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the chances of ISIS and Militant Islamic Fundamentalism arriving at US shores is increased rather than decreased?

If not, and I suspect so, why?
 
OK.

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the battle against ISIS and Militant Islamic Fundamentalists would be operating at a reduced capacity and a reduced effectiveness?

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the chances of this aggression against the West would be further emboldened?

Would you agree that without US leadership and involvement, the chances of ISIS and Militant Islamic Fundamentalism arriving at US shores is increased rather than decreased?

If not, and I suspect so, why?

Dude, do you think that making me repeat myself is how you advance or win debate. The answers to those three questions, are in my post you quoted, I need do no more than repost it to answer you, but why is that necessary. Even a government NIE concludes that US policy in the ME, is EXACERBATING AND RADICALISING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS. No, hell no, I do not believe US leadership in the Middle East is improving anything, it seems that mostly just gullible Americans in denial think we've been doing a bang up job in the Middle East.
 
Dude, do you think that making me repeat myself is how you advance or win debate. The answers to those three questions, are in my post you quoted, I need do no more than repost it to answer you, but why is that necessary. Even a government NIE concludes that US policy in the ME, is EXACERBATING AND RADICALISING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS. No, hell no, I do not believe US leadership in the Middle East is improving anything, it seems that mostly just gullible Americans in denial think we've been doing a bang up job in the Middle East.

A bang up job? No.

At least not since Obama came to office and all he wanted to do was get out by any means necessary as quickly as possible, regardless of the realities of the situation on the ground, typical 'realities be damned, politics demands it' from Obama.

At the ending of the Bush administration, there was a reasonably stable Iraq and Afghanistan, now, both are spiraling into chaos.

So letting the cancer fester even deeper and spread even wider is the best idea from you? Not thinking that's really such a good idea, and you've still not explained WHY, or put forth citations demonstrating and documenting such (or have I missed them? I'm willing to go back if you give me a pointer).

From where I sit, I'm not seeing very many good options here as to forward progress.
 
A bang up job? No.

At least not since Obama came to office and all he wanted to do was get out by any means necessary as quickly as possible, regardless of the realities of the situation on the ground, typical 'realities be damned, politics demands it' from Obama.

At the ending of the Bush administration, there was a reasonably stable Iraq and Afghanistan, now, both are spiraling into chaos.

So letting the cancer fester even deeper and spread even wider is the best idea from you? Not thinking that's really such a good idea, and you've still not explained WHY, or put forth citations demonstrating and documenting such (or have I missed them? I'm willing to go back if you give me a pointer).

From where I sit, I'm not seeing very many good options here as to forward progress.

I would think that a complete reversal of the policy of intervention, interference and military hostilities is a good place to start.
 
I would think that a complete reversal of the policy of intervention, interference and military hostilities is a good place to start.

So what would that accomplish? Except to further embolden the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists?
They predicted that they'd win this fight because the US was soft and lacked political will.
Wouldn't backing off, such as you are suggesting, be exactly that?

Maybe it's better if we wait until they start crossing the Southern and Northern boarders en-mass?
 
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