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Exclusive: Secret tapes undermine Hillary Clinton on Libyan war[W:292]

US Conservative said:
Kobie, this is what I was just talking about.
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I wasn't addressing you.

F&L invokes the mighty Reagan, I point out the flaw in that logic, and I get accused of defecting and smearing. Gotcha.
 
US Conservative said:
Leftism is about feeling good about failure. It feels better to blame others, to say nobody else is better, etc. Its what gets them through the day. Maybe thats good enough for them, but not me.

I lambast conservatives for trying to play nice-they are yearning for yesteryear where both sides could play ball. Out of many, one. In the mean time the left is busy smearing, blaming, and playing the many, from one game. But that era is gone, the left destroyed it.

Fast forward 40 years and you see the end result in this forums lefties. They can't defend a thing, they dont know how. They can't intelligently discuss policy-they dont know how-but MAN can they smear and blame.
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Yet another example of you displaying that you really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Just your usual "liberals suck" crap. Utterly worthless twaddle.
 
Kobie said:
Yet another example of you displaying that you really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Just your usual "liberals suck" crap. Utterly worthless twaddle.
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Kobie, a boy scout troop could lead better than the democrat party has. Face it, they are a bunch of empty suits. Its ok to admit it.
 
US Conservative said:
Kobie, a boy scout troop could lead better than the democrat party has. Face it, they are a bunch of empty suits. Its ok to admit it.
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When are you going to get it through your skull that the Democratic Party isn't particularly representative of liberalism?

It is simply pointless to bother with you. You just puke up talking points.
 
I find it interesting that there are those who will defend this administration to the death but are still distrustful of the police. Amazing what brand loyalty can do.
 
tech30528 said:
I find it interesting that there are those who will defend this administration to the death but are still distrustful of the police. Amazing what brand loyalty can do.
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They are all for big govt, until it gets to the cops, or impacts them. Then suddenly they are small govt martyrs.
 
Kobie said:
When are you going to get it through your skull that the Democratic Party isn't particularly representative of liberalism?

It is simply pointless to bother with you. You just puke up talking points.
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Kobie, you and all your favorite libs will be right there to vote democrat when the time comes. You know this. Everyone knows this.
 
US Conservative said:
Kobie, you and all your favorite libs will be right there to vote democrat when the time comes. You know this. Everyone knows this.
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Thanks for telling me who I have and will vote for. Sure do appreciate it.

I didn't vote for Obama in 2012. Boy, it must suck being so consistently wrong, doesn't it?
 
Kobie said:
When are you going to get it through your skull that the Democratic Party isn't particularly representative of liberalism?

It is simply pointless to bother with you. You just puke up talking points.
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Having thought about this a bit more, I can see instances where Obama and the present crop of Democrats aren't very liberal, at least in the classic sense of liberalism with the classic liberal ideals, and I can also see instances where they are rather liberal, at least in the sense of the worst of what I would think liberalism is.

Now if you want to take the position that the present crop of Democrats have brought the worst aspects of non-classic liberalism to the fore, I think we, you and I anyway, might find more agreement than disagreement on that.

Taken to the reflexive, the same might be, and can probably be, said for classic conservatism and the last crop of Republicans. The new crop, the ones just voted into office, I think it's a bit too early to say, just yet. They've not yet established themselves, nor been in office long enough to have demonstrated a track record in their new offices. I guess we'll see as time goes on and this new congress develops.
 
US Conservative said:
Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.

The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.


Read more: Hillary Clinton undercut on Libya war by Pentagon and Congress,
secret tapes reveal - Washington Time
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More here... http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/621724

A few interesting points here... It suggests that Hillary was relying on false intelligence to go into Libya. Hillary was apparently pushing the genocide angle, is Kucinich lying?

In any case, its interesting what parallels between the lefts arguments on Iraq and going into Libya are...
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If those tapes are secret then how did the far-right Mooney-Times get their hands on them?

Sounds like some laws may have been broken. :roll:
 
US Conservative said:
Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.

The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.


Read more: Hillary Clinton undercut on Libya war by Pentagon and Congress, secret tapes reveal - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

More here... http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/621724

A few interesting points here... It suggests that Hillary was relying on false intelligence to go into Libya. Hillary was apparently pushing the genocide angle, is Kucinich lying?

In any case, its interesting what parallels between the lefts arguments on Iraq and going into Libya are...
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Yeah, she got tricked by the French and she was listening to Susan Rice her Ambassador in the UN. This is what people have been saying with going after Hillary. Not just due to her Incompetence with Benghazi. But her real screw up with Libya and the how she got BO peep to tag along.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh now I see where this is going. This investigation that has found nothing in the past years, are now turning the page and instead not the attack itself, but now reasons for bombing Libya. Funny how they moved the goalposts. I guess this is the first time that Republicans are against dropping bombs on a country...
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What you didn't think it wasn't going to show up or something? Also.....didn't the State Dept just release 15k of documents they had not given out before? How did that come about and who caused those Documents to be released?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhhh the country was in a civil war... It was already destabilized.
And as I explained earlier: "I was against Obama bombing Libya in the first place. But this is a clear hack show. On one end you have Republicans to get involved in Ukraine, get involved in Syria, etc. but when it came to Libya (in which many in the GOP vocally supported) they are suddenly against it. What happened? Did the GOP randomly become the anti-hawk, anti-interventionist party? Or were they just the party that is against anything Obama does? I think this clearly shows the hypocrisy and the hack show this has become."


Im against a hack show which this "investigation" has clearly become.
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Uhhh.....it took action from a UN Ambassador and a Sec. of State to get the ball rolling and get the US involved.

Oh you must have forgot the bill Dick Durbin pressed forward to get more arms to the Ukrainians and get them more aid. As usual only looking at the Republicans.....while feigning concern about a hack show.

Looks like you are more concerned about Hillary than finding out about any truth.
 
US Conservative said:
If you read the articles I linked to, you would see that Benghazi was not mentioned. This pertains to the entire conflict. And it may be a game changer. I have no doubt more info is coming on this.
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I doubt that a Secretary of State would ever lie to the American people, or the UN to support a case for war.
Nah, would never happen...................
 
US Conservative said:
Cool story. Now if you aren't partisan, surely you want to get to the bottom of this, no?
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No, I'm not partisan, what is with you people. I was bitching about the O administrations false claims on Libya and Gaddafi while this was unfolding. While most partisan righties were in full support of the Libyan operation. Not only was there nothing close to genocide taking place in Libya, the UN resolution for the authorisation of force was tethered to civilian protection NOT regime change. Remember, this is where Russia and China parted company with the US in a big way, and the very much stated reason that they denied the US authorisation at the UN for use of force in Syria. Libya was the sham that Iraq was. The only problem is that your partisan blinders only allow you to see these things when they are done by democrats. What a waste of ****ing time you are!!!!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
All it takes is one report from WashingtonTimes :)lamo a openly hack source) to prove Hilary is a liar, but the plentiful number of sources for the Bush admin just dont count because of the (R) next to the name.
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Yeah I know, exactly. But where's the logic in this. Do we all want America to be the winner, or are these two gawd damn parties all that count? How in the hell will anything ever be fixed if party loyalty trumps true patriotism to America? And these fools line up to label me anti-American, regularly.
 
pbrauer said:
Calling them Islamic terrorist is exactly what they want you to call them. They get more recruits that way.
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The predator drone program and Gitmo are two good recruiting tools, too!
 
US Conservative said:
So you think Kucinich is making things up, to be a right wing partisan? I guess thats one way to go.
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Kucinich is not making anything up. And while your about believing Kucinich suddenly, start listening to what he's said about Iraq, and stop being such a partisan hack. Libya isn't the first time Americas been taken to war on FALSE PRETENSE!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Montecresto said:
Yeah I know, exactly. But where's the logic in this. Do we all want America to be the winner, or are these two gawd damn parties all that count? How in the hell will anything ever be fixed if party loyalty trumps true patriotism to America? And these fools line up to label me anti-American, regularly.
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Neither party seems to care much about lies and falsehoods so long as their ideology is advanced by that deception. Democrats, for example, are about to coronate Hillary 'sniper fire' Clinton as their candidate for liar in chief to replace Barak 'you can keep you plan' Obama. When honesty isn't a virtue in politicians, how can anyone be surprised we have so many dishonest political leaders.
 
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