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Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

j-mac said:
Looks to me like the Crusadrs were a response to Muslim aggressions.
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That's just an historical fact. The evidence is that, with the exception of Israel, Islam rules the entire Middle East. Perhaps that's why Leftists are, along with Muslims, so anti Jew.
 
apdst said:
You didn't point out any religion's atrocities, because the objective was to villanize Christians, in order to excuse the islamofacists. It's the dame phony argument, that the Muslims aren't responsible for Muslim atrocities, someone else is.
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:doh And with that, we're done here.
 
Objective Voice said:
:doh And with that, we're done here.
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There always comes a point in a "debate" with people who clearly aren't interested in objective or intelligent discussion where you realize they simply aren't worth the time. And that point comes sooner with some than others.

I commend your efforts in this thread.
 
apdst said:
You didn't point out any religion's atrocities, because the objective was to villanize Christians, in order to excuse the islamofacists. It's the dame phony argument, that the Muslims aren't responsible for Muslim atrocities, someone else is.
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No, the point was that some Christians were waving their dicks around, pretending to be superior to Muslims, when given the same circumstances, Christians acted every bit as badly as Muslims are now. It isn't an attempt to villainize Christians, it's an attempt to show that both sides are pricks.
 
Slyfox696 said:
There always comes a point in a "debate" with people who clearly aren't interested in objective or intelligent discussion where you realize they simply aren't worth the time. And that point comes sooner with some than others.

I commend your efforts in this thread.
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There is a time on most debates where one side digs in their heels and refuses to listen to reason and the other side simply has to shrug and move on. Some types of debates are worse in this regard, as are some debaters.
 
Grant said:
That's just an historical fact. The evidence is that, with the exception of Israel, Islam rules the entire Middle East. Perhaps that's why Leftists are, along with Muslims, so anti Jew.
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"Leftists" are not "anti-Jew." That's an utterly asinine, absurd, idiotic and breathtakingly dishonest statement.
 
Kobie said:
"Leftists" are not "anti-Jew." That's an utterly asinine, absurd, idiotic and breathtakingly dishonest statement.
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And "rightists" are not pro-Jew. Let's be honest, the only reason the fundies care about Israel is because they have to keep it around so it can be a material component in their end-times summon Jesus spell. They want it destroyed, they just don't want it destroyed right this minute.
 
Cephus said:
And "rightists" are not pro-Jew. Let's be honest, the only reason the fundies care about Israel is because they have to keep it around so it can be a material component in their end-times summon Jesus spell. They want it destroyed, they just don't want it destroyed right this minute.
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Are You talking about the belief held by certian Christian fundementalists that has the rebuilding of Solomon's temple on juresalems Temple Mount as a requirement for the 2nd coming of Christ?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Are You talking about the belief held by certian Christian fundementalists that has the rebuilding of Solomon's temple on juresalems Temple Mount as a requirement for the 2nd coming of Christ?
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Among others, yes. That's why there are a stream of fundamentalist Christians who go to Israel and try to smuggle explosives under the Dome of the Rock so they can blow it up. This is a constant issue for Israeli security, as I'm sure you would imagine.
 
Cephus said:
Among others, yes. That's why there are a stream of fundamentalist Christians who go to Israel and try to smuggle explosives under the Dome of the Rock so they can blow it up. This is a constant issue for Israeli security, as I'm sure you would imagine.
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I sometimes wonder if some insane psycho actually did manage to make the Temple Mount unusable to all religions?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I sometimes wonder if some insane psycho actually did manage to make the Temple Mount unusable to all religions?
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There would be a three-sided war in Jerusalem, everyone would lose and the Christians would manage to "re-interpret" the Bible to mean something else. You know, same thing that always happens when crazy people disagree.
 
Cephus said:
There would be a three-sided war in Jerusalem, everyone would lose and the Christians would manage to "re-interpret" the Bible to mean something else. You know, same thing that always happens when crazy people disagree.
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For some reason that Reminds me of what the character of Saladin said in the film kingdom of heavenwhen he was asked "what was jerusalem worth?"

He said "nothing.....(short pause) everything."
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
For some reason that Reminds me of what the character of Saladin said in the film kingdom of heavenwhen he was asked "what was jerusalem worth?"

He said "nothing.....(short pause) everything."
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I'd be fine having Jerusalem nuked (other than the side effects), just to see what those three religions do with themselves. Grab some popcorn.
 
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Boo Radley said:
They are larger, but that is based on political realities and not religious ones. We'd see it just as large here if the political realities matched theirs. The point is that religion doesn't create the terrorist, but is used by evil people to both recruit and justify. The mistake is in blaming the religion.
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Unless Islam goes through a reformation, then I am secure in my analysis of the religion.
 
Grant said:
Had Obama been critical of Jews on their "high horse" would that have made any difference to you?
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Wow slick!!! I didn't know that you and Al Sharpton wuz kinfolks!!! :lamo
 
j-mac said:
Unless Islam goes through a reformation, then I am secure in my analysis of the religion.
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Islam will eventually go through the same reformation that Christianity did, when the planet gets sick of putting up with their crap.
 
Cephus said:
Islam will eventually go through the same reformation that Christianity did, when the planet gets sick of putting up with their crap.
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You mean we aren't at that point now? It also takes leadership I think, and we are woefully lacking today.
 
Kobie said:
"Leftists" are not "anti-Jew." That's an utterly asinine, absurd, idiotic and breathtakingly dishonest statement.
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Obviously this meme of theirs is intended to shut down criticism of Israeli policy, and is as cheap as Sharpton and Jackson rolling out the race card every time someone attempts criticism of a black man. Anti-semitism exists, racism exists, but they don't drive ALL critiques.
 
j-mac said:
You mean we aren't at that point now? It also takes leadership I think, and we are woefully lacking today.
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No, we're not. It takes Muslims living in a secular society that reins in their religious craziness. That isn't the case in most of the Middle East, where they live in virtual theocracies, where the religion rules the roost. So long as the religion wields political and social power, they can never grow up.
 
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