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Obama condemns those who seek to 'hijack religion'

Grant said:
No, you listen to the Jonathan Grubers of the world, and they certainly have you pegged
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Not in the least.

But as long as you continue to promote prejudice and discrimination against innocent people I will continue to call you what you are.
 
apdst said:
If you seek to understand, why do you leave out the Muslim invasions of Europe that were going on for 300 years before the first crusade into Asia took place? To harp about one and leave out the other is intellectually dishonest. As long as you make dishonest presentation, you'll never be understood. If you make a presentation that leaves out key facts, it becomes a lie.
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Not very " Objective " of a poster calling himself the " Objective Voice ", is it ?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Not in the least. But as long as you continue to promote prejudice and discrimination against innocent people I will continue to call you what you are.
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Of course those who Gruber points to believe themselves quite intelligent and insightful, while seeing intolerance and discrimination everywhere.

In this case, one of Gruber's supporters can't even point to any evidence of 'prejudice or discrimination against innocent people'.

Gruber was being too kind to people like yourself.
 
Fenton said:
Not very " Objective " of a poster calling himself the " Objective Voice ", is it ?
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We all believe our voices to be objective when we first join. Later we realize we often have to fight fire with fire.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, "I'm stupid"... :roll:
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No, your position is stupid. Your position is I'm ignorant because I may or may not agree with some random named liberal. Of course, I have no idea if I agree with random liberal because you won't post what they said.

Your position is stupid. Not you, just your position on this. I've asked you what they said, and you will not post it. So now answer my question...do you agree with what my friend Blake Glodo said about you?
 
Montecresto said:
I personally recognise no authority in the bible, but for those who do, they have a leg to stand on.

In the Epistle to the Romans 1:26-27 (English Majority Text Version, EMTV), Paul writes

“ For this reason God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

Never the less, this is a church matter, and not something American justices ought to be espousing.
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Yep. It's better to keep religion out of politics

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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j-mac said:
I see, so Christians are the problem, is that it?
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That's a wild leap. No that isn't what I said. Closed minded fear mongering is a problem. Radicals are a problem. Not religion itself.
 
Grant said:
LOL!

It's Obama's job to speak the truth??

The lyingest President in US history??
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he has a long way to go to catch Bush, but I said every leader should speak the truth. Do you agree or not?
 
jmotivator said:
So I will ask you again, do you think Jesus supported gay marriage? If so, why did he never talk about it?
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He never spoke against being gay, so why would he object? He was more concerned with trespassing at the time, which given the mentions it gets in his prayer, must have been rampant!
 
Manc Skipper said:
He never spoke against being gay, so why would he object? He was more concerned with trespassing at the time, which given the mentions it gets in his prayer, must have been rampant!
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And he never had a girl friend, he just hung out with a bunch of dudes:lol:
 
Boo Radley said:
he has a long way to go to catch Bush, but I said every leader should speak the truth. Do you agree or not?
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Oh I dont know.

Left wing false narrative about " lies " over WMD doesn't really compare with 2 years of telling people they could keep their doctor and their plan. One is a manufactured accusation and the other was used to pass a horrible law that's having a substantial negative impact on the economy and the pocket books of middle class Americans.
 
Fenton said:
Calling Christ a Homosexual......how 6th grade of you.
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Oh dear, struck a nerve. Is there something wrong with that. And why couldn't he have been, supposing the individual ever even existed.
 
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Fenton said:
Oh I dont know.

Left wing false narrative about " lies " over WMD doesn't really compare with 2 years of telling people they could keep their doctor and their plan. One is a manufactured accusation and the other was used to pass a horrible law that's having a substantial negative impact on the economy and the pocket books of middle class Americans.
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Yes, because everybody knows that republicans value their money over life (unless a president wants it for war) Yep yep. Middle Eastern wars claiming the lives of 2-300,000 civilians, 5-6,000 US service personnel lives, and a couple trillion dollars, just a sneeze.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh dear, struck a nerve. Is there something wrong with that. And why couldn't he have been, supposing the individual ever even existed.
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Struck a nerve ? No.

If you want to make an ass out of yourself by acting like a prepubescent boy then be my guest.
 
Grant said:
So you believe that Obama was correct to make the attacks from ISIS, Boko Horom, and Al Qaeda a religious war?

What about atheists, agnostics, Jews, Hindus, and other religions? Are they involved in this as well or is it just between Muslims and Christians?

In any case Obama was able to give the Islamists further justification for more attacks.
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Pres. Obama didn't make this a Holy War. The radical terrorist/Muslim extremist did that. Now, if Pres. Obama had made an impassioned plea to all Christians to take up arms against Muslims who would use their religion to cause violence and mayhem while also seeking an endorsement from the Pope, then I could accept your claim. Since neither has happened...

Next...
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, because everybody knows that republicans value their money over life (unless a president wants it for war) Yep yep. Middle Eastern wars claiming the lives of 2-300,000 civilians, 5-6,000 US service personnel lives, and a couple trillion dollars, just a sneeze.
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I wonder sometimes if you can even stop yourself from posting bull ****. You know, maybe your excessive exaggerations are due to some pathology.

The Iraq War cost $709 billion.
The Budget and Economic Outlook: An Update | Congressional Budget Office
 
apdst said:
If you seek to understand, why do you leave out the Muslim invasions of Europe that were going on for 300 years before the first crusade into Asia took place? To harp about one and leave out the other is intellectually dishonest. As long as you make dishonest presentation, you'll never be understood. If you make a presentation that leaves out key facts, it becomes a lie.
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No dishonesty was made on my part concerning post #466 because the actions of ISIL as Muslim terrorist extremist is already well understood and well documented. Furthermore, we already know they're committing murder and other atrocities in the name of their religion. No need to expand on that. In addition, since the focus of this thread seems to be whether or not the President was justified in using the Crusades as an example of people using their religious faith as justification to do evil, I think my post was valid.
 
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Objective Voice said:
No dishonesty was made on my part concerning post #466 because the actions of ISIL as Muslim terrorist extremist is already well understood and well documented. Furthermore, we already know they're committing murder and other atrocities in the name of their religion. No need to expand on that.
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The dishonesty comes when one goes on about the Crusades and fails--refuses?--to mention Muslim aggression that took place prior to and during the same period.
 
Fenton said:
Oh I dont know.

Left wing false narrative about " lies " over WMD doesn't really compare with 2 years of telling people they could keep their doctor and their plan. One is a manufactured accusation and the other was used to pass a horrible law that's having a substantial negative impact on the economy and the pocket books of middle class Americans.
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No, it's not a false narrative. He lied. Bald face lied. And the law hasn't been as bad as even I thought. The lie was that ACA was terrible.
 
Fenton said:
Struck a nerve ? No.

If you want to make an ass out of yourself by acting like a prepubescent boy then be my guest.
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Are you homophobic, would it really disturb you if Jesus was gay. Where's the issue here?
 
Objective Voice said:
Pres. Obama didn't make this a Holy War. The radical terrorist/Muslim extremist did that. Now, if Pres. Obama had made an impassioned plea to all Christians to take up arms against Muslims who would use their religion to cause violence and mayhem while also seeking an endorsement from the Pope, then I could accept your claim. Since neither has happened...Next...
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When he invoked the Crusades, Jim Crow, Slavery and High Horses, it was about Christians and Christianity.

There was no need to go there at all, especially when this is a guy or cannot mention Islam or terrorism in the same sentence.

Do you not feel that terrorists will take heart in his criticism of Christians, a group they are systematically destroying? Will Jews be next?
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it's not a false narrative. He lied. Bald face lied. And the law hasn't been as bad as even I thought. The lie was that ACA was terrible.
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The leftist lies continue, ignoring every bit of historical evidence. Which came first, the lie or the leftist?
 
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