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Jordan Unleashes Wrath on ISIS

Montecresto said:
Ok, I read no further than the first line. If you truly believe that Obama HATES America, then you're blinded by hate yourself, and I haven't any further use for you, bye match.
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Yeah, you are right. Obama's just so clueless that his actions are a detriment to the country, which is probably worse than that.
 
solletica said:
14 years ago, the US govt. said the Taliban is losing.



Only if America's right wingers suit up, ship out, and start helping them. It was the right, after all, that elected the idiot whose reckless interventionist policies led to the current crisis in the ME.

So it's their responsibility to pick up the slack.
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Was it?

Bush was no right winger.

And the Democrats were on board with the invasion of Iraq as well.

But Americans have suited up, shipped out, and are helping them, right along with Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
 
Fearandloathing said:
well let's reverse that.

Let us examine what he has said and how he has handled the Muslim based terrorism file.

We must at the outset define that terror from say, the troops and tanks in the streets of Ferguson and accept that 911 and the rest were performed by stolid members of the Islamic faith.

He has voted "present" on a war against them. Apologized to them. He has deliberately mis-characterized the well planned, well armed and well executed assassination of a sitting US ambassador, allowed the terrorists to escape and turned Libya into an unstable country where it had been a stable non-terrorist haven prior. The president has responded to that attack by sending in the FBI to "arrest" an prosecute the terrorists who attacked the US, and come up empty for three years now. In the midst of that, he deliberately suggested that attack was a spontaneous demonstration that had got out of hand. he also, in the midst of an election campaign decreed "you cannot make fun of the prophet mohamed" Period. Never mind the first amendment....
Now we look on his pledge to preserve and protect the nation. When he came to office the US was waring in two countries, one of which he claimed was stable enough the US could leave and did.

Since then Egypt has become unstable, Libya, and the US is waging war in Afghanistan, 15 years in, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Somalia and NATO is on high alert in Europe as Putin makes a mockery of Obama.

Maybe he doesn't "hate" American, but I don't think he loves her enough to properly protect her.
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Precisely. And dont forget Yemen-he was citing them as an ally and now its a terrorist haven. Terror flourishes under Obama.
 
solletica said:
It's also the end.

Jordan doesn't have much wrath in its arsenal, compared to what ISIL (or whatever those terrorists are) has. All he has are a few old planes that are easy targets for SAMs.

Abdullah needs to pray that his own tiny little kingdom doesn't get run over by them.
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Sounds like you want that.

You voted Obama didn't you?
 
solletica said:
14 years ago, the US govt. said the Taliban is losing.



Only if America's right wingers suit up, ship out, and start helping them. It was the right, after all, that elected the idiot whose reckless interventionist policies led to the current crisis in the ME.

So it's their responsibility to pick up the slack.
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Was the Taliban on the run?

Obama said they were...claimed they were defeated in fact.

And the right wing is not responsible for Afghanistan son, show me a list of Democrats that voted against it.

Not even Obama later on Iraq opposed the deal, it was he who voted "present" wasn't it, making his anti-war stance so evident and clear.

so, puff and strut, continue now half of those 14 years later to blame George W. Bush for everything, I mean he was and is the most powerful president in history according to you, still responsible for all US activities seven years after he left Washington.

No son, the high moral ground belongs to others here, like what I just flushed, and not Obama nor the Democratic party....for their moral compass dies with "you can keep your plan...."

Liars always figure
 
US Conservative said:
Heres a good synopsis.
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I wasn't interested in what Krauthammer had to say. I thought we were discussing Obama's words.

Should he not be concerned with small towns in the Midwest where the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them?

Or should he ignore the history of Christianity, including some more recent examples than the Crusades?
 
Fearandloathing said:
well let's reverse that.

Let us examine what he has said and how he has handled the Muslim based terrorism file.

We must at the outset define that terror from say, the troops and tanks in the streets of Ferguson and accept that 911 and the rest were performed by stolid members of the Islamic faith.

He has voted "present" on a war against them. Apologized to them. He has deliberately mis-characterized the well planned, well armed and well executed assassination of a sitting US ambassador, allowed the terrorists to escape and turned Libya into an unstable country where it had been a stable non-terrorist haven prior. The president has responded to that attack by sending in the FBI to "arrest" an prosecute the terrorists who attacked the US, and come up empty for three years now. In the midst of that, he deliberately suggested that attack was a spontaneous demonstration that had got out of hand. he also, in the midst of an election campaign decreed "you cannot make fun of the prophet mohamed" Period. Never mind the first amendment....
Now we look on his pledge to preserve and protect the nation. When he came to office the US was waring in two countries, one of which he claimed was stable enough the US could leave and did.

Since then Egypt has become unstable, Libya, and the US is waging war in Afghanistan, 15 years in, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Somalia and NATO is on high alert in Europe as Putin makes a mockery of Obama.

Maybe he doesn't "hate" American, but I don't think he loves her enough to properly protect her.
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Oh listen Fear, you'll not see me defending Obama's foreign policy in the ME particularly, nor his support of the MB in Egypt, nor AQ in Libya, nor AQ al Nusra and others in Syria. But that said, I reject out of hand that Obama HATES America, nor would I accept anybody telling me that for all of FDR's quiet provocations to the Japanese which culminated in a costly attack at PH, that he hated America. Here's my problem, much of that, the right wouldn't criticise because they wanted war in Libya, they wanted war in Syria, Iraq, A-Stan, Iran, hell, it really doesn't matter where. Where was the rights criticism of Obama's cozying up to terrorist groups when it might serve their interests??
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wasn't interested in what Krauthammer had to say. I thought we were discussing Obama's words.

Should he not be concerned with small towns in the Midwest where the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them?

Or should he ignore the history of Christianity, including some more recent examples than the Crusades?
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Its an attempt to smear Americans while making ISIS seem like its less of a threat than it is. :2wave:
 
Montecresto said:
Oh listen Fear, you'll not see me defending Obama's foreign policy in the ME particularly, nor his support of the MB in Egypt, nor AQ in Libya, nor AQ al Nusra and others in Syria. But that said, I reject out of hand that Obama HATES America, nor would I accept anybody telling me that for all of FDR's quiet provocations to the Japanese which culminated in a costly attack at PH, that he hated America. Here's my problem, much of that, the right wouldn't criticise because they wanted war in Libya, they wanted war in Syria, Iraq, A-Stan, Iran, hell, it really doesn't matter where. Where was the rights criticism of Obama's cozying up to terrorist groups when it might serve their interests??
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Ah.....I think you need to get the blinders off...

One, I SAID he likely does NOT hate America simply doesn't love her enough to defend her.

Two, your claims of being neutral are a growing irritation as you clearly you are NOT....

"Here's my problem, much of that, the right wouldn't criticise because they wanted war in Libya, they wanted war in Syria, Iraq, A-Stan, Iran, hell, it really doesn't matter where. Where was the rights criticism of Obama's cozying up to terrorist groups when it might serve their interests??"

I. DON'T. CARE.

Every issue is about "righties" and what they argue, never about the people now in charge, the people getting Americans killed and in this case clearly sending a message to the people who set other people on fire that America is not prepared to get its hands dirty and likely fears an "Islamic push back"


Fears.

I repeat...He fears an Islamic pushback.

There isn't a hockey goalie who ever made a stop on a forward he feared. there has never been a boxer win against a boxer he feared. There has never been a politician who win who feared his opponent.....and yet we have a president at the VERY least suggesting there is cause for fear of reprisals, what we do hear is not direct criticism of that stupid, stupid, stupid act, but bull**** about "righties".

I. DON'T. CARE.

It has been the whine of the Obama camp since they rolled into office....Tea Partiers, "Enemies", Terrorists and traitors, and never "we have a common enemy", and at this writing a huge question about whether there is an enemy and what to call them...not a move to create a comprehensive plan to win.

You know what the first thing FDR did after declaring war on Japan? He called in Republicans and asked them to serve.

Obama and guys like you scream "righties" and "It's Bush's war" and now raise doubt who is the enemy. Probably because its other Americans
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah.....I think you need to get the blinders off...

One, I SAID he likely does NOT hate America simply doesn't love her enough to defend her.

Two, your claims of being neutral are a growing irritation as you clearly you are NOT....

"Here's my problem, much of that, the right wouldn't criticise because they wanted war in Libya, they wanted war in Syria, Iraq, A-Stan, Iran, hell, it really doesn't matter where. Where was the rights criticism of Obama's cozying up to terrorist groups when it might serve their interests??"

I. DON'T. CARE.

Every issue is about "righties" and what they argue, never about the people now in charge, the people getting Americans killed and in this case clearly sending a message to the people who set other people on fire that America is not prepared to get its hands dirty and likely fears an "Islamic push back"


Fears.

I repeat...He fears an Islamic pushback.

There isn't a hockey goalie who ever made a stop on a forward he feared. there has never been a boxer win against a boxer he feared. There has never been a politician who win who feared his opponent.....and yet we have a president at the VERY least suggesting there is cause for fear of reprisals, what we do hear is not direct criticism of that stupid, stupid, stupid act, but bull**** about "righties".

I. DON'T. CARE.

It has been the whine of the Obama camp since they rolled into office....Tea Partiers, "Enemies", Terrorists and traitors, and never "we have a common enemy", and at this writing a huge question about whether there is an enemy and what to call them...not a move to create a comprehensive plan to win.

You know what the first thing FDR did after declaring war on Japan? He called in Republicans and asked them to serve.

Obama and guys like you scream "righties" and "It's Bush's war" and now raise doubt who is the enemy. Probably because its other Americans
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:cool:
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah.....I think you need to get the blinders off...

One, I SAID he likely does NOT hate America simply doesn't love her enough to defend her.

Two, your claims of being neutral are a growing irritation as you clearly you are NOT....

"Here's my problem, much of that, the right wouldn't criticise because they wanted war in Libya, they wanted war in Syria, Iraq, A-Stan, Iran, hell, it really doesn't matter where. Where was the rights criticism of Obama's cozying up to terrorist groups when it might serve their interests??"

I. DON'T. CARE.

Every issue is about "righties" and what they argue, never about the people now in charge, the people getting Americans killed and in this case clearly sending a message to the people who set other people on fire that America is not prepared to get its hands dirty and likely fears an "Islamic push back"


Fears.

I repeat...He fears an Islamic pushback.

There isn't a hockey goalie who ever made a stop on a forward he feared. there has never been a boxer win against a boxer he feared. There has never been a politician who win who feared his opponent.....and yet we have a president at the VERY least suggesting there is cause for fear of reprisals, what we do hear is not direct criticism of that stupid, stupid, stupid act, but bull**** about "righties".

I. DON'T. CARE.

It has been the whine of the Obama camp since they rolled into office....Tea Partiers, "Enemies", Terrorists and traitors, and never "we have a common enemy", and at this writing a huge question about whether there is an enemy and what to call them...not a move to create a comprehensive plan to win.

You know what the first thing FDR did after declaring war on Japan? He called in Republicans and asked them to serve.

Obama and guys like you scream "righties" and "It's Bush's war" and now raise doubt who is the enemy. Probably because its other Americans
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Quite the rambling post there Fear. Not certain of your whole message with that, but either you have blinders, or perhaps you haven't paid that much attention to my posts, doesn't matter but I've never claimed to be neutral, so it seems strange that you would be irritated by it. What I have claimed is to not be a partisan, and indeed I'm not, what that typically earns me is the American hater label. See that's what you get if you criticise both parties. If your a righty, and all you criticise is the left, you still have a bunch of friends. If your a lefty, and all you criticise is the right, you still have lots of friends. But if you don't pick a team and root, your anti-American. There's a few others that participate on this board that recognise both parties as the root of Americas ills and are not partisan, but the vast majority are here spewing and peddling a party.
 
Montecresto said:
Quite the rambling post there Fear. Not certain of your whole message with that, but either you have blinders, or perhaps you haven't paid that much attention to my posts, doesn't matter but I've never claimed to be neutral, so it seems strange that you would be irritated by it. What I have claimed is to not be a partisan, and indeed I'm not, what that typically earns me is the American hater label. See that's what you get if you criticise both parties. If your a righty, and all you criticise is the left, you still have a bunch of friends. If your a lefty, and all you criticise is the right, you still have lots of friends. But if you don't pick a team and root, your anti-American. There's a few others that participate on this board that recognise both parties as the root of Americas ills and are not partisan, but the vast majority are here spewing and peddling a party.
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Oh for **** sakes...

Non partisan is not neutral....

Have a nice day, and remember, it depends on what your definition of is, is.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh for **** sakes...

Non partisan is not neutral....

Have a nice day, and remember, it depends on what your definition of is, is.
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Sorry dude. But I'm not neutral either when it comes to US foreign policy. And I haven't a clue what it is you want out of it, or where your allegiance lies, but I'm an American that doesn't give a **** about parties, just what's best for me and my country, and neither of them are delivering the goods on that. Thank you for wishing me a nice day though, thoughtful of you.
 
US Conservative said:
Its an attempt to smear Americans while making ISIS seem like its less of a threat than it is. :2wave:
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and the president would want to do that, why again?

Oh, right. I forgot. He's a secret Muslim.

and the AntiChrist, and a Kenyan. That's why he hates America.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and the president would want to do that, why again?

Oh, right. I forgot. He's a secret Muslim.

and the AntiChrist, and a Kenyan. That's why he hates America.
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Because Islamic terrorism has flourished during his administration. To admit theres a problem is to admit he's failed.
 
cpwill said:
:raises eyebrow: the "little king" passed US Army Special Forces Assessment and Selection, and flies combat aircraft. I recommend you not call him that to his face.
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I know his cv quite well and therefore makes the good impression, I mentioned. That does not make him a large person though.
 
austrianecon said:
Gee... could it be the fact his mother is British, his education took place in the UK and US. Then went to Sandhurst (UK's West Point) and spent 2 years in the British Armed Forces and then other US military training courses.
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You think that makes the difference?
 
US Conservative said:
Because Islamic terrorism has flourished during his administration. To admit theres a problem is to admit he's failed.
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If only we could change history, go back, and not invade Iraq. We didn't learn from history in Vietnam, so we've repeated it.

Maybe the lesson was learned this time, but I doubt it.
 
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