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Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

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Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is reconsidering his opposition to giving Ukraine defensive weapons and other lethal aid to help its struggling military repel Russian-backed rebels, a possible escalation that has had strong support from many in his national security team.

The shift suggests the White House is growing increasingly concerned that its reliance on punishing Russia with economic sanctions isn't doing enough to change President Vladimir Putin's thinking about backing fighters in ethnic-Russian eastern Ukraine.

I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.
 
Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.

You seem not to realize that we are already there. Providing weapons to Ukraine would be the lesser evil, as a matter of fact, if it were not for some of the Europeans, who must learn that security does not come for free any more. But Russia has decided to go the multi-polar route of confrontation and force. This has already led and will continue to lead to smaller wars and with time to a big one, if we do not find a global way out.
 
Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.

Who is worth it? This is the second country that Russia has attempted to gobble up in the past 10 years or so. It's a country of 45 million individuals. They have already given up the Crimea yet Russia isn't satisfied. Putin continually creates crises in countries next to him and uses it a reason to gobble up territory.
 
You seem not to realize that we are already there. Providing weapons to Ukraine would be the lesser evil, as a matter of fact, if it were not for some of the Europeans, who must learn that security does not come for free any more. But Russia has decided to go the multi-polar route of confrontation and force. This has already led and will continue to lead to smaller wars and with time to a big one, if we do not find a global way out.
We are not already there and we cannot win this by "going there", anyway.
 
We are not already there and we cannot win this by "going there", anyway.

The direction is clear. If you really think that it is a case of staying out, read about Chamberlain. He thought peace was negotiable too.
 
The State Department is busy readying a response as we speak....

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Much better to let Russia proceed unfettered.

In the greater scheme of things, Russia mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine is a far better result than the United States being mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine. Let them have it and all of the problems that come with it. We've got bigger fish to fry, that's all I'm saying.
 
Ukraine, then who? Latvia? Romania? Estonia? Belarus?

Soon, the eastern bloc will be reformed and Putin is on Germany's doorstep.
 
I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. . . . . .

Right. Why should we keep our word?

Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.
 
In the greater scheme of things, Russia mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine is a far better result than the United States being mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine. Let them have it and all of the problems that come with it. We've got bigger fish to fry, that's all I'm saying.

You sound like the GOP... we'll fix it next time whenit really matters.
 
Right. Why should we keep our word?

Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.
Do you really think this is about Ukraine "demanding their freedom"?

Ukraine has had it's freedom for about 25 years and the result has been corruption on a shameless scale. They are flat broke and a financial black hole. What do we possibly have to gain here?
 
Right. Why should we keep our word?

Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.

The flipside of that argument is that the actions of 1999 were misguided. How would we react if Russia sent weapons into some group in Canada wanting independence?
 
The flipside of that argument is that the actions of 1999 were misguided. How would we react if Russia sent weapons into some group in Canada wanting independence?

We have muscle that they don't. For all their bluster they do not project power like we do with carrier groups, stealth planes, and rapid deployment forces.

And besides, who gives a crap how they feel? We are a beacon of freedom to the world and they are thugs. We don't do to our neighbors what they do to theirs. There is no moral relevance between us and them. (Although I must admit, with that loser idiot Obama in the White House its getting more and more difficult to make that argument. But at this point its still basically true.)
 
Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.

Sane foreign policy requires forethought and proactivity. All our government is currently is reactive with no forethought. Shameful really.
 
Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

nope. this is not what we should be spending money on.

jobs.
bridges.
fix the damned roads.
proxy war / dick measuring contest with Russia
 
nope. this is not what we should be spending money on.

jobs.
bridges.
fix the damned roads.
proxy war / dick measuring contest with Russia

That attitude is why over 60 million people were killed in WWII, because we did not cut off Hitler's nuts at the very beginning. A good nation does not let evil destroy their neighbors.

By the way, government spending does not create jobs, so your post is pathetic on more than one level.
 
We have muscle that they don't. For all their bluster they do not project power like we do with carrier groups, stealth planes, and rapid deployment forces.

And besides, who gives a crap how they feel? We are a beacon of freedom to the world and they are thugs. We don't do to our neighbors what they do to theirs. There is no moral relevance between us and them. (Although I must admit, with that loser idiot Obama in the White House its getting more and more difficult to make that argument. But at this point its still basically true.)

Agree that they are no match for us militarily. That being said, not sure why we care about this, not really an ally in any sense of the word.
 
That attitude is why over 60 million people were killed in WWII, because we did not cut off Hitler's nuts at the very beginning. A good nation does not let evil destroy their neighbors.

By the way, government spending does not create jobs, so your post is pathetic on more than one level.

yes, i'm aware that a certain percentage of hawks believe that not entering every single conflict on the planet = Hitler. i don't share that view.
 
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yes, i'm aware that a certain percentage of hawks believe that not entering every single conflict on the planet = Hitler. i don't share that view.

Straw Man argument: The is NOBODY who thinks we should enter "every single conflict on the planet".
 
Straw Man argument: The is NOBODY who thinks we should enter "every single conflict on the planet".

which conflicts shouldn't we get involved in, in your opinion?
 
Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.

Couldn't agree with you more. And the commander of NATO forces has said similar, cautioning against it due Russia's potential angry response.
 
IT's amazing how this president can be as much a "warmonger" as the last, yet the left largely remains silent,.
 
IT's amazing how this president can be as much a "warmonger" as the last, yet the left largely remains silent,.

You nicely describe the partisan. The partisan always criticises the other party as they engage in similar activities as there own. Watch for it from the right the next time they're in the Whitehouse.
 
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