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St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

Don't you think it is interesting how many on the right are such strong advocates of local control until "local control" means a community enacts a local ordinance saying "No shooting range inside city limits" or "No discrimination against 'teh gays'"? Then the conservatives are quite happy telling a town or a county - "Nope, you can't do that. Us at the state legislature know more than you guys." Actually its often a result of the rural vs urban divide that seems to be increasing in this country, aided and abetted by blatant gerrymandering, so more votes may be cast for progressive politicians and causes but the conservatives have given more power to the rural districts.

The Nov 2014 elections in the state of Michigan provide an example of the influence conservative control has had on state election results.

In the races for the state House, Democrats received more votes but Republicans INCREASED their majority status:
Democrats: 1,536,812 (50.98%)
Republicans: 1,474,983 (48.93%)
The Republican maps turned a 61,829 margin FOR DEMOCRATS into a 63-47 "majority" for Republicans.
The average Republican victory: 6,389 votes. The average Democratic victory: 10,092.

In the races for the state Senate, the discrepancy is even more egregious:
Republicans received slightly more votes than Democrats, but turned a slim total-vote victory into a super-majority:
Democrats: 1,483,927 (49.23%)
Republicans: 1,527,343 (50.67%)
The Republican maps transforms that slim 43,416 statewide vote margin (1.4%) into a 27-11 advantage (71%) in the state Senate.
The average Republican victory: 15,107 votes. The average Democratic victory: 33,133 votes.

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/14GEN/14GENall.html
 
Somerville said:
Don't you think it is interesting how many on the right are such strong advocates of local control until "local control" means a community enacts a local ordinance saying "No shooting range inside city limits" or "No discrimination against 'teh gays'"? Then the conservatives are quite happy telling a town or a county - "Nope, you can't do that. Us at the state legislature know more than you guys." Actually its often a result of the rural vs urban divide that seems to be increasing in this country, aided and abetted by blatant gerrymandering, so more votes may be cast for progressive politicians and causes but the conservatives have given more power to the rural districts.

The Nov 2014 elections in the state of Michigan provide an example of the influence conservative control has had on state election results.

In the races for the state House, Democrats received more votes but Republicans INCREASED their majority status:
Democrats: 1,536,812 (50.98%)
Republicans: 1,474,983 (48.93%)
The Republican maps turned a 61,829 margin FOR DEMOCRATS into a 63-47 "majority" for Republicans.
The average Republican victory: 6,389 votes. The average Democratic victory: 10,092.

In the races for the state Senate, the discrepancy is even more egregious:
Republicans received slightly more votes than Democrats, but turned a slim total-vote victory into a super-majority:
Democrats: 1,483,927 (49.23%)
Republicans: 1,527,343 (50.67%)
The Republican maps transforms that slim 43,416 statewide vote margin (1.4%) into a 27-11 advantage (71%) in the state Senate.
The average Republican victory: 15,107 votes. The average Democratic victory: 33,133 votes.

http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/14GEN/14GENall.html
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Would you advocate for 'local control' over gay marriage laws? Over discrimination practices? Or is 'local control' just the buzzword and argument you opt for when it is a law you actually 'like'?
 
VanceMack said:
Would you advocate for 'local control' over gay marriage laws? Over discrimination practices? Or is 'local control' just the buzzword and argument you opt for when it is a law you actually 'like'?
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Nope, just pointing out the hypocrisy of many on the right.
 
VanceMack said:
Read. Law was created 27 years ago. According to an obviously biased blog article the NRA did 'something' that caused lawmakers in 2011 to be limited in their ability to change the laW. What, pray tell, was that, and how does it prevent lawmakers from passing legislation? Or are you satisfied with "well...I read a line in a blog post that said it was all the NRAs fault..."?
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Well, ya know, the NRA created ebola by combining an assault rifle with a virus, so....
 
j-mac said:
You asked this same question earlier in the thread SK, and everyone that you have asked it to has answered you with the same answer that you seemingly ignore only to ask it again later....What is it that you are looking for? The cops were there, and they said that everything was in order with the law and left...So let me throw it back at ya....What from TFA proves he hasn't?
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There is no "law" defining what is "safe".

So the fact that the cops "showed up and inspected it" does not MEAN it is ACTUALLY SAFE.



So explain how--- it is determined by the evidence in TFA that you find the range safe.
 
Somerville said:
Nope, just pointing out the hypocrisy of many on the right.
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By rolling in it yourself? Brilliant! "Hey guys! Look what I almost stepped in!"

For what it is worth, I am all for states and local governments owning their legislative processes. Im guessing you would probably be pissed if that were the actual case though because those processes have historically gone against liberal causes. However...I have long said...people in California, New York, New Jersey, and places with restrictive gun laws get precisely what they deserve.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
There is no "law" defining what is "safe".

So the fact that the cops "showed up and inspected it" does not MEAN it is ACTUALLY SAFE.



So explain how--- it is determined by the evidence in TFA that you find the range safe.
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If the cops inspected it and it passed their inspection, it's safe. Were it not safe, the cops would say, "hey, this **** isn't safe".
 
SlevinKelevra said:
There is no "law" defining what is "safe".

So the fact that the cops "showed up and inspected it" does not MEAN it is ACTUALLY SAFE.



So explain how--- it is determined by the evidence in TFA that you find the range safe.
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So some government agency needs to show up and inspect it?
 
VanceMack said:
By rolling in it yourself? Brilliant! "Hey guys! Look what I almost stepped in!"

For what it is worth, I am all for states and local governments owning their legislative processes. Im guessing you would probably be pissed if that were the actual case though because those processes have historically gone against liberal causes. However...I have long said...people in California, New York, New Jersey, and places with restrictive gun laws get precisely what they deserve.
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So you think the wrong side won the Civil War - oops, sorry, I meant the War of Northern Aggression? Or that stupid 14th Amendment and the 'librul' Supreme Court justices who have 'wrongly' interpreted the Constitution over the past two centuries should be ignored.
 
Somerville said:
So you think the wrong side won the Civil War - oops, sorry, I meant the War of Northern Aggression? Or that stupid 14th Amendment and the 'librul' Supreme Court justices who have 'wrongly' interpreted the Constitution over the past two centuries should be ignored.
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I think its ****ing HILARIOUS that people like you think the interpretation of the constitution is only correct when it fits YOUR desires.
 
VanceMack said:
I think its ****ing HILARIOUS that people like you think the interpretation of the constitution is only correct when it fits YOUR desires.
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Always happy when I make people laugh.

Until recently, precedent usually was a guide for new SCOTUS decisions. What I see now is the corporate takeover of the court, a takeover which is screwing the majority of Americans even though a large number of them think they will benefit. The last time we saw something similar would have been during the last years of the 19th C.
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, I hear ya....heh, heh....This to me seems like a local thing for the residents to be raising hell about, not a national level problem....However, If I were this guy's neighbor, depending on what's behind that berm he is shooting at, and proximity of the other houses, I know that he and I would be having a serious talk about safety....
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I completely agree with that.

everything anymore is federal...Washington has its finders in everything
 
SlevinKelevra said:
There is no "law" defining what is "safe".

So the fact that the cops "showed up and inspected it" does not MEAN it is ACTUALLY SAFE.


So explain how--- it is determined by the evidence in TFA that you find the range safe.
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Well we consider lots of things in our daily lives safe....that arent by your standards.

Cars, playgrounds, dogs, stoves, hot cups of coffee.....

And the law 'agrees' with us.
 
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