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Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

flogger said:
The overall death rate for the US in all wars is far less than 1% of the current US population. You seem to have little concern for life
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I care for life that why I want to protects people's right by using math to go against your emotional argument.
 
flogger said:
More guns = More death it gets no more complicated than that as you have been shown
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No it doesn't. If that were the case Norway would be more violent then the UK, and the Czech Republic more violent then Greece Or Canada more violent then Russia. None of these statements are true.


In fact handguns are legal in nearly every country in Europe other then yours and your country is still the most violent in Europe so go figure
 
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cpgrad08 said:
According to the CDC. All firearm deaths in the United States was 32,351. Roughly out of a population of 320 million people in the Country. That is equals to .000101097 % of the populations dead from guns. Which means according to math, statistical it is not significant.

FastStats - Injuries
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and get rid of those who were banned from owning guns (i.e. the vast majority of murderers) its even smaller
 
flogger said:
The overall death rate for the US in all wars is far less than 1% of the current US population. You seem to have little concern for life
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you seem to have little concern for freedom or factual accuracy. White Americans have a lower rate of gun violence despite our "free access" to firearms than say whites in places like the UK
 
flogger said:
More guns = More death it gets no more complicated than that as you have been shown
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Except we've shown you that those deaths for the vast majority only affect criminals and gang members....so who cares? And then those in socio-economically depressed areas, and we try to prevent crime and gangs to protect those people.

So you're right. It's not that complicated. The great majority is in no danger from guns. Certainly they are alot safer from guns than they are from their own cars.
 
flogger said:
An nuclear warhead is an inanimate object too so shouild we just let everyone have one of those ?
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A nuke is not suitable for militia duty, and is also unusually dangerous, unlike your typical self-defense handgun.
 
flogger said:
More guns = More death it gets no more complicated than that as you have been shown
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The whole reason I carry a handgun is so that I can cause a 'gun death' should I need to.

What's your point?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No it doesn't. If that were the case Norway would be more violent then the UK,
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But in fact Norway has seven times the gun death rate of the UK per 100,000 so whats your point ?

In fact handguns are legal in nearly every country in Europe other then yours and your country is still the most violent in Europe so go figure
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Most violent in Europe ? Have you ever visited it ? On the contrary our overall official crime stats are the lowest since 1981 so it looks like all those gun bans have been helping

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/25/uk-crime-falls-official-figures
 
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Lursa said:
Except we've shown you that those deaths for the vast majority only affect criminals and gang members....so who cares? And then those in socio-economically depressed areas, and we try to prevent crime and gangs to protect those people.

So you're right. It's not that complicated. The great majority is in no danger from guns. Certainly they are alot safer from guns than they are from their own cars.
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I've answered this already ..... twice ! :yawn:
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem to have little concern for freedom or factual accuracy. White Americans have a lower rate of gun violence despite our "free access" to firearms than say whites in places like the UK
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I call BS on that claim :roll:
 
AJiveMan said:
Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

Toddler was a good shot, too bad the parents were stupid enough to leave wife's purse with a loaded gun in it for the kid to reach.

More irresponsibility from gun owners.

Authorities have taken their child away from them for the time being, but maybe too late.
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Thankfully he shot his parents rather than himself or his little sister.
 
Jerry said:
The whole reason I carry a handgun is so that I can cause a 'gun death' should I need to.

What's your point?
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The point is your lethal response is your first response rather than the last on far too many occassions as is borne out by your stats :(
 
molten_dragon said:
Thankfully he shot his parents rather than himself or his little sister.
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It could just as easily been so, as happens many times every day over there

Who cares as long as the guns are protected. Thats all that matters to most respondents here it seems
 
flogger said:
But in fact Norway has seven times the gun death rate of the UK per 100,000 so whats your point ?



Most violent in Europe ? Have you ever visited it ? On the contrary our overall official crime stats are the lowest since 1981 so it looks like all those gun bans have been helping

Crime at lowest level for 30 years | UK news | The Guardian
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So what? Is someone killed it with a firearm morally superior to someone killed by another means?

You'd rather have 50 murders committed without a gun, then 10 committed with one?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So what? Is someone killed it with a firearm morally superior to someone killed by another means?
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Nothing to do with morality just statistics. You are over 40 times more likely to be shot in the US than the UK and as a consequence 5 times more likely to be murdered overall given that three quarters of your murders involve firearms

You'd rather have 50 murders committed without a gun, then 10 committed with one?
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No I'd rather make murder more difficult to commit in the first place. Guns make murder too easy
 
flogger said:
The point is your lethal response is your first response rather than the last on far too many occassions as is borne out by your stats :(
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Lethal force is my last response. Please do not speak on things you know nothing about.
 
Jerry said:
Lethal force is my last response. Please do not speak on things you know nothing about.
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That point was not supposed to be addressed to you personally, but I'm sure you knew that
 
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Jerry said:
Then you have to oppose gun control since gun control makes crime worse.
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The worst crime on the books is surely murder. Your murder rates are by far the highest in the developed world because of mass casual access to firearms which are used in three quarters of them. Since we introduced comprehensive gun controls over recent decades our already low gun crime has significantly diminished and our criminal fraternity now find it far more difficult and expensive to acquire them.
 
flogger said:
That point was not supposed to be addressed to you personally
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I have to wonder how Europeans claim to have any ground to question the American education system when someone like yourself continually 'misspeaks'. Maybe Europeans shoot first and ask questions later, but here in America we shoot only when we have no other option. Having a gun is about keeping that last resort on the table. About 1/3rd of the time, simply displaying the gun stops the attack cold.
 
Jerry said:
have to wonder how Europeans claim to have any ground to question the American education system when someone like yourself continually 'misspeaks'.
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This is playing to the gallery of course. I'm pretty sure you really knew what I meant.

Maybe Europeans shoot first and ask questions later, but here in America we shoot only when we have no other option.
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Actually we tend to not shoot at all. We live longer that way

Having a gun is about keeping that last resort on the table. About 1/3rd of the time, simply displaying the gun stops the attack cold
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But if your society is allegedly so much more law abiding then this kind of overkill would not be necessary. Judging by your statistics that 'last resort' seems to be arrived at rather too often
 
flogger said:
The worst crime on the books is surely murder.
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"Worst" is a moral judgment, an opinion. I personally believe child sex offences are worse than murder.

flogger said:
Your murder rates are by far the highest in the developed world because of mass casual access to firearms which are used in three quarters of them.
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I look forward to checking your link to the data you've already read which leads you to that assumption.

flogger said:
Since we introduced comprehensive gun controls over recent decades our already low gun crime has significantly diminished and our criminal fraternity now find it far more difficult and expensive to acquire them.
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Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center

What your government did to fool you is to record the data in a different way. Please take some time to educate yourself on the topic before posting further.
 
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flogger said:
This is playing to the gallery of course. I'm pretty sure you really knew what I meant.
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That honestly sounded like you were accusing me of a crime, something this forum would ban you for if you confirmed you were making a murder accusation.
 
Jerry said:
"Worst" is a moral judgment, an opinion.
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Eh ?

I look forward to checking your link to the data you've already read which leads you to that assumption.
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Already posted on this thread

url=http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/]Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center[/url
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Gun crime in the UK is at a 20 year low and continues to fall

Vandalism and gun crime fall to 20-year low | Positive News

This is mirrored by a record low across the board for most crimes in the UK

Crime at lowest level for 30 years | UK news | The Guardian
 
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