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Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

No worse than unbiased historians have reviewed Bush's actions to attack a country on the basis of fabricated fears.
 
Caine said:
Yeah... if they stood toe to toe like armies of the old days, sure.

But they won't. They will hide... blend in with the population... and use improvised explosive devices to kill off American forces where they can, and terrorize the population that gives aid to American Forces.

Meanwhile, we spend billions supporting this operation, and go furthur into debt.
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I just shake my head.
 
Montecresto said:
I'm curious why you think that when 14 years of the strongest military in the world attempting the same thing with both the Taliban and AQ, and what we have is an emboldened network of terrorist organisations and Islamic extremists wreaking havoc in the ME,
And a Taliban and AQ alive and well??
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We were successful until The Effeminate One created a power vacuum. We need to control the river valleys for a hundred years.
 
Misterveritis said:
In fact they did lose. They were rendered ineffective until The Effeminate One removed all of our troops.
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They were not destroyed and they cannot be destroyed. From Carter's arming what morphed into the Taliban to Obama's arming known terrorist groups in Syria and all presidents in between, USFP has had a destructive and destabilising effect. That's what the educated class about the world knows. Btw, this is a reason that China and Russia won't cooperate with us much in the ME anymore. They've been watching this for decades, and they haven't the interest in protecting party A and blaming party B that you do.
 
Montecresto said:
They were not destroyed and they cannot be destroyed. From Carter's arming what morphed into the Taliban to Obama's arming known terrorist groups in Syria and all presidents in between, USFP has had a destructive and destabilising effect. That's what the educated class about the world knows. Btw, this is a reason that China and Russia won't cooperate with us much in the ME anymore. They've been watching this for decades, and they haven't the interest in protecting party A and blaming party B that you do.
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Of course they were. And of course they can be.

But we have to decide we are ready to defeat them. Until we do that they will continue to wage war on us and make gains. Once we decide to get serious about winning this world war we can win it. Until we do decide we will not. That is what the educated, manly class, knows. The Effeminate One pretends to lead. He supports Islamofascism.
 
Misterveritis said:
Of course they were. And of course they can be.

But we have to decide we are ready to defeat them. Until we do that they will continue to wage war on us and make gains. Once we decide to get serious about winning this world war we can win it. Until we do decide we will not. That is what the educated, manly class, knows. The Effeminate One pretends to lead. He supports Islamofascism.
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Decades of failed policy is responsible for what we have today. Partisan politics is ineffective.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Must be really heroic for you to offer up other peoples sons and daughters in some pathetic attempt at showing off your Conservative Bravado.
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Part of the responsibility of the Commander in Chief is making such decisions. Grownups can work that out. Were FDR and LBJ also attempting to show conservative bravado?
 
haymarket said:
Lets hope to God that people use their emotions in this as well as their brains. Take a look at some 22 year old kid who lost his leg or arm or eye fighting over there for heavens knows what and then ask if your own kid is worth it. Is that emotional? Bets your sweet ass it is and we need more of it. When lives are at stake of the people we live you would have be a twisted cold hearted psycho NOT to let your emotions enter the picture.
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I have a young co-worker who pulled two tours in Iraq. He returned from the second tour missing one arm. He supported the war and his family supported him as most military families do. The commander in chief's job is not to avoid emotions in making such decisions, but to avoid letting the emotions make the decision for him.
 
US Conservative said:
How much more genocide to you need to see before you come to the conclusion that evil must be stopped? How many more children beheaded for being Christian?
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Exactly. "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing".
 
Jetboogieman said:
Your eagerness to put troops in harms way is not something to be proud of.

War should only be entered into if every other option has been exhausted.

Has America not offered up enough sons in your eyes?

How many more flag draped coffins are you willing to accept to fix a problem somewhere else.
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If America had not sat out World War 2 for so long, there would have been considerably less of those flag draped coffins coming home. That Hitler problem could have been addressed at a much earlier stage without so much cost in blood.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If America had not sat out World War 2 for so long, there would have been considerably less of those flag draped coffins coming home. That Hitler problem could have been addressed at a much earlier stage without so much cost in blood.
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Had America prevented Americans from profiting off of Hitlers rise, instead of rewarding them by making sons and grandsons president, there may also have been less flag draped coffins coming home.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
 
Montecresto said:
Had America prevented Americans from profiting off of Hitlers rise, instead of rewarding them by making sons and grandsons president, there may also have been less flag draped coffins coming home.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian
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Blame America first.
 
Fletch said:
Blame America first.
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What a fantastic response to documentation that our last presidents grandfather was profiting off of the Hitler Machine. Truly unbelievable. I think it was Prescott Walker Bush, that was found to be at blame, and a leadership that did nothing more than confiscate his ill gotten gaines. Not me, or America at large!! It was he that had funds confiscated under the Trading With The Enemies Act. But you want to project your attitude on me. Figures.
 
Montecresto said:
Had America prevented Americans from profiting off of Hitlers rise, instead of rewarding them by making sons and grandsons president, there may also have been less flag draped coffins coming home.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian
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Yawn....my point stands. If the Hitler problem had been addressed early on, world war 2 could have been prevented. Attempting to blame big business or the fact that GWB's grandfather was a director of a firm that did business with Thyssen is laughable.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Yawn....my point stands. If the Hitler problem had been addressed early on, world war 2 could have been prevented. Attempting to blame big business or the fact that GWB's grandfather was a director of a firm that did business with Thyssen is laughable.
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Where's the conflict between you and I if you agree that WW2 could have been prevented had the Hitler problem been addressed early on???? Seems we would be in some fashion of agreement??
 
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