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Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

Fearandloathing said:
Oh. My. God.

Bush.

Bush was single handedly responsible for 911, the crash, Katrina and the Japanese Tsunami.

He is the single most powerful president to have ever held office, as his polices and practices continue to plague a nation seven years later, are responsible for every calamity and nose bleed in congress despite the best efforts of the most perfect, error free, president in the history of the United States...so powerful that seven years later even the president is still bleating about his "enemies"

Your enemy isn't terrorists, nor Putin or even Cuba, that great communist satan threatening the American way of life...no! Your enemy is this all powerful, even seven years out of office who cause every ****ing problem in America today.

Please, while we're wallowing in leftist/socialist revisionist history can we have a we small look at Clinton's record with Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. I know it was only the puny Clinton who compared to Obama was a failure on all fronts, but how well did he deal with them?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, it is only George Bush still secretly running the country...Obama only thinks he has control
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And dont forget, Bush is somehow an idiot and an evil mastermind at the same time.
 
apdst said:
The difference it makes, is that most civilians can't appreciate the importance of swift, decisive action. It doesn't mean there's anything wrngnwith them, but they lack the vision and experience to opine from an informed position.

Had we acted decisively back in June, we might not be having this conversation. We passed up a damn good opportunity to destroy the ISIS main body, as it invaded Iraq.

Ultimately, the point is, we have people screaming for inaction, but if--when--that course turns out to be the wrong one, none of those people are going to have to face the consequences. They're certainly willing to accept the city compounded consequences of waiting, since they know their kids D's won't ever be in the line of fire. You think the isolationists of the 1930's sent their kids to WW2, after things had blown up to the point that 400,000 Americans had to die to wrap things up? Why hell no!
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I once read an historian offer that Anthony Eden and his appeasement cost millions of lives......

The trouble started when Obama apologized to the Arab world, then tried to play 'liberator' and affect regime change thinking that because they're the new guys and he said "sorry" they would like him and be in his club house. Egypt, Libya et al....

So now we this new offshoot of some old offshoot of Islamic terror and he's afraid to call it Islamic terror...

So tell me, we have Obama at the other end of the ice and all this hand wringing and the highest paid players, and me and my hockey team at this end....

.....are we going to respect him as an opponent?

**** no.....
 
Fearandloathing said:
You have been hoodwinked.

There are NO liberals in the US. Maybe six.

Liberal has been hijacked by socialists to disguise what it is they really are. It started in the 20's, there is a post somewhere in here of Ronald Reagan making that case....

What you have in the US are convenient socialist-populists [Hollywood stars still want their SUV's] with the rest of the country divided into varying degrees of conservative.

If you change the word "liberal" to "socialist" it is actually a quote from Winston Churchill.

It is classic, by the way, for the socialist/communist to argue cyclically causing a great deal of Irony. But, but stretching and actually reversing the very meanings of words, yes, any socialist can demand of their opponents that which they say they oppose.

The truth is, there is no progress in progressive. We have had these ideas in Canada, exactly as prescribed by the wonders of Obamaland around sine the 1910's, wqhen the first official socialist-communist party was formed - the "Cooperative Commonwealth Federation", who stood for higher minimum wage ....and, not really mentioned, the nationalization of all non-farm land!

There is no Affordable in the ACA, there is no Progress in progressive and no "liberal" as in tolerant, accepting and willing to compromise anywhere in the US
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Nailed it.
 
iguanaman said:
Bush signed the agreement that got us out of Iraq. Obama tried to get it extended but Maliki would not.
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Obama ran on getting out of Iraq and was eager to do just that-even if it meant losing the war. And he demanded a vote that he knew would lose in Iraq to keep forces there.

Maliki asked him to stay regardless of the vote. Obama's generals told him what would happen. And he left anyway.

And the fact that we are back in Iraq is evidence of his failure. :2wave:
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Moussaoui was caught training at a commercial aircraft flight school not on a home computer. I'de say that is a difference. The fact that they didn't even check the other schools to see who was training says volumes about the mindset of our intelligence services at the time. They were obviously afraid to find out something that Bush would not like hearing. Like a REAL Al Qaeda plot.
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"Caught training at a commercial aircraft flight school"? Is that a crime? He was arrested for overstaying his visa. It was the flight simulator software they recovered at his home that got the FBI agent to start thinking something more was going on. It was the request to dig into his laptop that was rejected by FISA.

Your quote from Tenet would be what is called "Monday Morning Quarterbacking". That he considered a connection after the attack says nothing about the ability to actually investigate the case before the crime was committed. The special investigative powers needed to dig into Moussaoui's life would fall under the FISA, and FISA rejected their request.
 
imagep said:
Obama left Iraq on the time table that Bush agreed to. I suspect that we would have left by the terms of that agreement, regardless of who was POTUS.

Obviously Iraq was still somewhat unstable, but no one was predicting that ISIS would move in like they did.
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Oh.

Wasn't Obama supposed to do things better than Bush?

So in this you admit that Obama is actually worse than Bush as he did what Bush would have done.....but not because it was right or had anything to do with then climate of Iraq?

That's "hope and CHANGE?" in your world?

I don't get it. For eight savagely long years we heard what a complete idiot was Bush, that he was evil incarnate, and did not one thing right. I have posed this question a hundred times to test Obama heads, name on thing Obama did wrong and one thing Bush did right. No one has ever tried to answer.

So, I guess you are saying that this removal of troops suspiciously close to his re-election is both? That Bush who could do no right, did in choosing that time table, but we are in this mess because of the mistake of Obama in following the incompetent Bush's plan......

Yo9u can't have it both ways...Bush cannot be an idiot on this file if Obama did what Bush ordained now can he? Not without Obama being an even bigger idiot for following Bush's plan when he clearly knew that Al-Qeada was becoming ISIS....he has said so.
 
iguanaman said:
Except ISIS I presume, the others would rather have us do it for them. They believe it is our fault I guess. What is it that makes us the only military in the world that is willing to fight against terror even though our presence is what is the most destabilizing in the area?
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Last I checked Britain, Canada, France, and several arab nations were fighting in or over Iraq as well.
 
US Conservative said:
I want to help them get to paradise by killing them. Then we both win.
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a very socialist way of doing things.

The conservative way is to **** off and leave them to it...

Let allah sort it out..

Best policy my dear and wonderful Sarah Palin ever had..

I ever tell you how great she is?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Makes absolute sense to me...

The US was involved in two hot spots when Obama came to power, we now have Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and Somalia and for an added bonus a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not to mention a very pissed off North Korea who did not like being blamed for hacking Sony since they don't even have the capability. I think you will pay for that sometime

That's a peace prize president.
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The irony of that peace prize is something.
 
US Conservative said:
The irony of that peace prize is something.
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I have a neighbor who is a Swede. Classic by the way, long legged, blonde blue eyed etc....a foreign student studying international political science. In her country she is a 'liberal conservative" and we agree on a lot....

She pointed out to me last summer that the peace prize is itself an irony, set up Alfred Nobel the inventor of a stabelizing process for nitroglycerine we now call Dynamite...used to kill more people than the atomic bomb.

And she confessed that the modern Nobel committee is an embarrassment to Swedes based on Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Barrack Obama...none of whom, she pointed out, ever brought real peace to anyone.....
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh.

Wasn't Obama supposed to do things better than Bush?

So in this you admit that Obama is actually worse than Bush as he did what Bush would have done.....but not because it was right or had anything to do with then climate of Iraq?

That's "hope and CHANGE?" in your world?

I don't get it. For eight savagely long years we heard what a complete idiot was Bush, that he was evil incarnate, and did not one thing right. I have posed this question a hundred times to test Obama heads, name on thing Obama did wrong and one thing Bush did right. No one has ever tried to answer.

So, I guess you are saying that this removal of troops suspiciously close to his re-election is both? That Bush who could do no right, did in choosing that time table, but we are in this mess because of the mistake of Obama in following the incompetent Bush's plan......

Yo9u can't have it both ways...Bush cannot be an idiot on this file if Obama did what Bush ordained now can he? Not without Obama being an even bigger idiot for following Bush's plan when he clearly knew that Al-Qeada was becoming ISIS....he has said so.
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Don't you love the nuance of the left?
 
US Conservative said:
I can't argue with that. :cool:
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Yeah I know...

Old gets you a lot of cred.....you can get away with **** you never dreamed of..

I wish I was old covering the queen...

....no knows this, but hell is the "death watch" journalists do with Queen and family or, the Nazi land of DOTHINGSOURWAYORGOHELL Vatican.

You cannot speak to the queen, approach or turn your back. You may make eye contact, but briefly, and you never, ever touch them......and the pope is worse.

I made a mistake once and used a four letter word when speaking to Phillip...he was cool but my colleagues had a good story.....

If I had been old knowing what I know now and Phillip asked me why he got ghosts on his telly, there would have been a very big story....
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have a neighbor who is a Swede. Classic by the way, long legged, blonde blue eyed etc....a foreign student studying international political science. In her country she is a 'liberal conservative" and we agree on a lot....

She pointed out to me last summer that the peace prize is itself an irony, set up Alfred Nobel the inventor of a stabelizing process for nitroglycerine we now call Dynamite...used to kill more people than the atomic bomb.

And she confessed that the modern Nobel committee is an embarrassment to Swedes based on Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Barrack Obama...none of whom, she pointed out, ever brought real peace to anyone.....
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Outstanding to hear that someone there gets it. Im thinking Sweden's greatest exports are its women, their mauser rifles, and the mora knife.

That nitro stabilizing process had other benefits, it was discovered by people who manufactured and processed it that they were getting headaches, and low blood pressure. Later that became useful to heart patients, it lowers mortality in myocardial infarction by 5%. Thats the little story I give my students on ntg.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Yeah I know...

Old gets you a lot of cred.....you can get away with **** you never dreamed of..

I wish I was old covering the queen...

....no knows this, but hell is the "death watch" journalists do with Queen and family or, the Nazi land of DOTHINGSOURWAYORGOHELL Vatican.

You cannot speak to the queen, approach or turn your back. You may make eye contact, but briefly, and you never, ever touch them......and the pope is worse.

I made a mistake once and used a four letter word when speaking to Phillip...he was cool but my colleagues had a good story.....

If I had been old knowing what I know now and Phillip asked me why he got ghosts on his telly, there would have been a very big story....
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Thats awesome, Ive never met Royalty. There was an incident recently where Lebron James was meeting the princess and in a photo he's touching her arm. He was all sweaty as well.

I like older male patients because they hit on the nurses and cute physicians at work. :lol:
 
US Conservative said:
Outstanding to hear that someone there gets it. Im thinking Sweden's greatest exports are its women, their mauser rifles, and the mora knife.

That nitro stabilizing process had other benefits, it was discovered by people who manufactured and processed it that they were getting headaches, and low blood pressure. Later that became useful to heart patients, it lowers mortality in myocardial infarction by 5%. Thats the little story I give my students on ntg.
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And yet more irony....
a chemical process designed for destruction becomes a life saving heart medication.
 
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