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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

I suppose you missed that whole year from the late 2013 to middle 2014 that saw The Insane One's Million Illegal Alien army invade. Maybe you watch one of the Obama channels. You would not have seen it on any of the liberal, protect-the-Insane-One-at-all-costs channels that authoritarian statists tend to watch.

You have to use stupid words like: insane army, invade, authoritarian and statist. Why? Because you are just an opinionated and angry person who is full of hate, not logic or reason.

Irrational hate, that is all you have, no actual statistics.
 
Gosh, all of the soft and squishy authoritarian statists have companies. Isn't that amazing?

No, I don't have a company, but I hire for my company. I say "my company" because I work there. We are all over the world and in the Fortune 100, and we would toss your ass out the door the first time someone felt threatened by your constant, creepy, obsessive hate talk.
 
Show me the proof it is coming from illegal aliens.

My original request that you won't prove is for you to show me the proof that the recent measles outbreak comes from illegal aliens, but you keep ducking and weaving and avoiding showing any proof. Back it up with the actual studies, analysis, etc. Show your work.

Given the significantly lower rate of immunizations in Mexico and other South of the Border countries, obviously your claim is that lack of vaccinations doesn't contribute to the spreading of contagious diseases whatsoever, correct?

Or are you claiming exactly opposite stances depending upon what you see as politically correct? I predict the latter.
 
You have to use stupid words like: insane army, invade, authoritarian and statist. Why? Because you are just an opinionated and angry person who is full of hate, not logic or reason.

Irrational hate, that is all you have, no actual statistics.

LOL. Can I do that? Can I just laugh and let this stand for now?

Yes. yes I can.
 
Given the significantly lower rate of immunizations in Mexico and other South of the Border countries, obviously your claim is that lack of vaccinations doesn't contribute to the spreading of contagious diseases whatsoever, correct?

Or are you claiming exactly opposite stances depending upon what you see as politically correct? I predict the latter.

I just want him to supply the proof and the data and show his work. Prove his statements with actual data.
 
No, I don't have a company, but I hire for my company. I say "my company" because I work there. We are all over the world and in the Fortune 100, and we would toss your ass out the door the first time someone felt threatened by your constant, creepy, obsessive hate talk.

Ah, Internet tough guy. Cool. Do people in your company know how much you despise this nation and western civilization? Do they know how much you relish authoritarian statist tyranny? Do they know of your boy crush for the boy president? Would you toss your own ass out the door the first time someone felt threatened by your constant, creepy, obsessive defense of The Insane One?
 
Ah, Internet tough guy. Cool. Do people in your company know how much you despise this nation and western civilization? Do they know how much you relish authoritarian statist tyranny? Do they know of your boy crush for the boy president? Would you toss your own ass out the door the first time someone felt threatened by your constant, creepy, obsessive defense of The Insane One?

Dude, shut up, you are just making an ass out of yourself.

Find a good psychiatrist, learn how to function in society.
 
Dude, shut up, you are just making an ass out of yourself.

Find a good psychiatrist, learn how to function in society.

What makes you think I don't function rather well, dude?

Why didn't you answer my reasonable questions?
 
Given the significantly lower rate of immunizations in Mexico and other South of the Border countries, obviously your claim is that lack of vaccinations doesn't contribute to the spreading of contagious diseases whatsoever, correct?

Or are you claiming exactly opposite stances depending upon what you see as politically correct? I predict the latter.

Mexico has a measles vaccination rate of 95% compared with the USA at 92%
 
Moderator's Warning:
This thread is NOT about immigration. THAT discussion stops now or infractions and/or thread bans will occur. AND the personal attacks stop now, too.
 
What makes you think I don't function rather well, dude?

Why didn't you answer my reasonable questions?

Your questions are hyperbolic word salad.
 
Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

You cannot even say illegal alien can you?

The regime has actual data. The Insane One invited them, they came. His regime housed them, transported them, moved them into our communities and demanded that we foot the bill for their health care, schooling, housing, and whatever else they need. The Insane One's Million Illegal Aliens were scattered into communities across the nation. I know we have some here. The head of the local school board said we are forced to let them mingle with our children despite their lack of vaccinations. I believe he said we have less than a hundred.

It is time to end this reign of terror.

Oh nooooo. Your children have to "mingle" with dirty, diseased illegals!! WWJD?? Sure as heck not force Real American kids to mingle with low life immigrant children. He'd probably put the children invaders in jail where they belong!

BTW, you're fibbing about the children not getting vaccinated, or your local school board head is an idiot or a liar. They're given medical attention, treated for any illnesses, and vaccinated if necessary before they're placed anywhere.

Here's some facts, in short supply from one end of this conversation:

What are the federal government’s responsibilities for unaccompanied immigrant children?

Numerous federal agencies are involved in the detention and care of children entering the U.S. illegally. Children are apprehended at the Mexican border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. CBP agents conduct medical screenings for several symptoms – rash, fever, cough, vomiting and diarrhea – shortly after detainees come into federal custody at border patrol stations.
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Health care includes a basic well-child exam, childhood vaccinations to protect against communicable diseases and a mental health exam. They are also screened for TB and quarantined if they are diagnosed with a contagious disease or been exposed to one.
 
the state with the most children without vaccinations is California at almost 8%. Mississippi has less than .5%.

If anybody has a political finger to point on this issue, point it at those occupying the DEEP BLUE states. to do otherwise is to show your ignorance.

I spend quite a bit of time in the Golden State for work. I still can't understand how you can believe so strongly in the "new science" that supports climate change, but totally discount the "old science" of vaccinating your kids. It is such a weird disconnect. If I had young children I would be scared to death to take them onto the West Coast right now.
 
Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

Oh nooooo. Your children have to "mingle" with dirty, diseased illegals!! WWJD?? Sure as heck not force Real American kids to mingle with low life immigrant children. He'd probably put the children invaders in jail where they belong!

BTW, you're fibbing about the children not getting vaccinated, or your local school board head is an idiot or a liar. They're given medical attention, treated for any illnesses, and vaccinated if necessary before they're placed anywhere.

Here's some facts, in short supply from one end of this conversation:

This discussion has been cut off. Regrets.
 
So why do you keep hammering on it?
First because there are some stubborn and ignorant people equivocating about it, second because the CDC isn't tracking it and third because not one illegal from Central America (and that's just a guess) brought their immunization history with them when they crossed. If people are so damned worried about vaccinations why were those illegals allowed entry under ANY circumstances without proof of immunization? Answer: Not politically expedient and it would **** can Obama's plans. Also I'm hammering on it because all those pro-vaccination folks like yourself, should be first and foremost worried about those illegals. Why? Because the government already knows where the American's who didn't vaccinate live - where their kids go to school, what their phone number, email address, facebook page is. Not so with the illegals who were dispersed around the country unless the government surgically installed locator chips in these people.

Key thing is - everyone who doesn't have a medical issue should be vaccinated. Period.[/QUOTE] Key thing is people should have a choice - and with that comes consequences for their choice. Period.
 
First because there are some stubborn and ignorant people equivocating about it, second because the CDC isn't tracking it and third because not one illegal from Central America (and that's just a guess) brought their immunization history with them when they crossed. If people are so damned worried about vaccinations why were those illegals allowed entry under ANY circumstances without proof of immunization? Answer: Not politically expedient and it would **** can Obama's plans. Also I'm hammering on it because all those pro-vaccination folks like yourself, should be first and foremost worried about those illegals. Why? Because the government already knows where the American's who didn't vaccinate live - where their kids go to school, what their phone number, email address, facebook page is. Not so with the illegals who were dispersed around the country unless the government surgically installed locator chips in these people.

You'll have to explain that. Illegals have been flooding over the border since Reagan signed the last amnesty. I'm missing how this is a problem unique to Obama or how they affect his unstated plans. Since 2008 at worst the illegal population has been stagnant, if not declining. In the prior eight years, it increased about 4 million.

Also not sure who "those illegals" are who we should be most concerned about. The 12 million that were here before Obama, or the net zero since he took office? And if you're talking about the children moved to various places around the country by immigration folks, they WERE vaccinated as part of the medical treatment they got under the care of the Feds. I've posted the link outlining the care those children received.
 
First because there are some stubborn and ignorant people equivocating about it, second because the CDC isn't tracking it and third because not one illegal from Central America (and that's just a guess) brought their immunization history with them when they crossed. If people are so damned worried about vaccinations why were those illegals allowed entry under ANY circumstances without proof of immunization? Answer: Not politically expedient and it would **** can Obama's plans. Also I'm hammering on it because all those pro-vaccination folks like yourself, should be first and foremost worried about those illegals. Why? Because the government already knows where the American's who didn't vaccinate live - where their kids go to school, what their phone number, email address, facebook page is. Not so with the illegals who were dispersed around the country unless the government surgically installed locator chips in these people.

Key thing is - everyone who doesn't have a medical issue should be vaccinated. Period.
Key thing is people should have a choice - and with that comes consequences for their choice. Period.[/QUOTE]

Well, an earlier poster linked to data showing that the kids coming across the border ARE vaccinated. The adults, due to the high vaccination rates, probably are vaccinated, but can't know for sure.

While you can have a choice - don't get vaccinated - what's easier, vaccinating yourself or trying to find any unvaccinated people coming to the country as tourists, immigrants (legal or illegal), and citizens who are returning from overseas?

And your choice has consequences for others. I know several adults who came down with whooping cough recently. They hadn't been overseas; hadn't been in contact with people from other countries. Got it right here in the good old USA from kids whose parents didn't vaccinate them. None of us has really paid attention to the fact that the whooping cough vaccine lasts about 10 years; the thought was that was good enough since all the kids got immunized. Well, it's not good enough anymore. Get your TDAP booster (the shot for whooping cough, among other things)
 
Perhaps the shall we say arguments & harsh comments could be set aside for discussion of the OP?
Hope so.
Thanks
 
I spend quite a bit of time in the Golden State for work. I still can't understand how you can believe so strongly in the "new science" that supports climate change, but totally discount the "old science" of vaccinating your kids. It is such a weird disconnect. If I had young children I would be scared to death to take them onto the West Coast right now.

One point I see some while favoring vaccination for others see mandatory vaccinations, either by schools enforcing and demanding proof of vaccination as a violation of their rights.
That their rights as a parent(s) are infringed upon.
95 % is the rate of vaccination needed to minimize & contain outbreaks.
While some are against the MMR, are they also against vaccination for polio?
 
Then I am further bewildered why you brought it up as an example for not needing vaccines for herd immunity.

I am pretty sure that I did not bring it up... mac, Lursa or somebody did. I simply argued against Lursa's point that epidemics nearly wiped out humanity a few times. When I challenged that somebody brought up the plague. Yes... huge substantial losses but humanity was not nearly wiped out of existence. Does that help?
 
If I vaccinate my child, it won't hurt yours, if you don't vaccinate your child, it might hurt mine!
 
You'll have to explain that. Illegals have been flooding over the border since Reagan signed the last amnesty. I'm missing how this is a problem unique to Obama or how they affect his unstated plans. Since 2008 at worst the illegal population has been stagnant, if not declining. In the prior eight years, it increased about 4 million.
It's unique to him because he basically invited them to break the law, then looked the other way regarding the enforcement of the law. If you want me to say it was just as bad under Reagan then I'm fine with that.

Also not sure who "those illegals" are who we should be most concerned about.
The one's I've already been on record stating in this thread. Go back and look.
The 12 million that were here before Obama, or the net zero since he took office?
Both.

And if you're talking about the children moved to various places around the country by immigration folks, they WERE vaccinated as part of the medical treatment they got under the care of the Feds. I've posted the link outlining the care those children received.
Citation for that please. Why would they need to be vaccinated when according to others in this thread, their country of origins have at least as high of a vaccination rate as the US or maybe higher? So which is it.... they were vaccinated equal to or higher rate than the US or they were vaccinated by the Feds when they illegally came through?
 
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