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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

joko104 said:
Yes, children with compromised immune systems should not be in general public school.
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It depends. I cannot take traditional vaccines for example because I have to take a medication that suppresses my immune system (which sucks, but the larger issue I take the meds for sucks more and these meds make me symptom free), but not so much I have to live in a bubble, I just get sick about 2x as often as I used to and it lasts an extra day. There are different degrees of being compromised.
 
tacomancer said:
It depends. I cannot take traditional vaccines for example because I have to take a medication that suppresses my immune system (which sucks, but the larger issue I take the meds for sucks more and these meds make me symptom free), but not so much I have to live in a bubble, I just get sick about 2x as often as I used to and it lasts an extra day. There are different degrees of being compromised.
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My younger daughter has a compromised immune system too, but hers didn't start until puberty so she had all her childhood vaccinations.

I just wanted to extend to you a little moral support , and let you know I understand a little bit about what you go through and I wish you well.
 
minnie616 said:
My younger daughter has a compromised immune system too, but hers didn't start until puberty so she had all her childhood vaccinations.

I just wanted to extend to you a little moral support , and let you know I understand a little bit about what you go through and I wish you well.
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Thanks, but its no big deal. Overall, I am very healthy and I just need to be careful here and there (like maybe in one or two situations a month) but I would be wrong in saying that my life is negatively affected.

so many others have it much, much worse and I am blessed in my opinion.
 
Quag said:
Except for of course those who died or suffered other long term effects such as deafness or mental retardation. They couldn't really move on so easily
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There were those who had complications from the mumps, which caused sterility.
 
minnie616 said:
I grew up in the 50s also.

It was the end of world for the approximately 500 who died annually in the US before the measles vaccine in 1963.

CDC - Pinkbook: Measles Chapter - Epidemiology of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases
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I was 17 then, and nobody called for me to be vaccinated for it. By the time I was in high school, no one ever worried about measles. We had all had it. Nobody ever was out sick with it because it was understood that we now had the immunity to it.
 
SMTA said:
Not in my experience.
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Personal experience is anecdotal not fact.
Fact is any side effects from vaccines are beyond rare when compared to the number of people who long term negative effects/death from measles.
 
Quag said:
Personal experience is anecdotal not fact.
Fact is any side effects from vaccines are beyond rare when compared to the number of people who long term negative effects/death from measles.
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Fact to me.

No problems with anyone I have ever known or heard of.

Kids have all updated shots with no issues.

I make medical decisions based upon common sense and intelligent research.

Fools who listen to those wrapped in tin foil are weak morons who are unable to think for themselves.
 
Tettsuo said:
Statistics Reports

The vaccine courts disagree with you.
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No it doesn't


Measles 143 19 162 55 107
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Bolded is the number actually accepted as being from the vaccine.

During this century, there has been a dramatic decrease in measles epidemics. Prior to the development of the measles vaccine, 5.7 million people died each year from measles. (Some historians have suggested that measles might have contributed to the decline of the Roman Empire.)

In 1920, the United States had 469,924 measles cases and 7,575 deaths due to measles. From 1958 to 1962, the United States had an average of 503,282 cases and 432 deaths each year. (Measles reporting began in 1912; prior to this time, no statistics are available.) In large cities, epidemics often occurred every two to five years.
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https://science.education.nih.gov/s...s/activities/activity5_measles-database.htm#6

So in according to your stats since the vaccination was created 55 people were affected with side effects to the point of injury and or death (it doesn't say which) out of a claimed total of 162. Vaccine came on the market in 1963. lets see that that's 51 years up till 2014. Now even taking the last few years before the vaccine became available there were 432 deaths a year, not counting long term problems just deaths.
So yeah absolutely measles is magnitudes worse than any possible side effects from the vaccine
 
Bodhisattva said:
There is a lot more to it than vaccines...
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And there is a lot more to growing healthy crops than giving them water--that doesn't mean water is ineffective. Reality is, if not for vaccines, we would be much worse off today than we currently are.
 
SMTA said:
Fact to me.

No problems with anyone I have ever known or heard of.

Kids have all updated shots with no issues.

I make medical decisions based upon common sense and intelligent research.

Fools who listen to those wrapped in tin foil are weak morons who are unable to think for themselves.
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See my previous post.
 
Tettsuo said:
Because vaccines are injected, they bypass the normal system of immune response. This is why many vaccines wear off far earlier than simply getting the virus.

Immunity: Natural and Acquired | Vaccines.gov
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Problem is, to get natural immunity you have to get infected. That kinda defeats the purpose of not getting the disease in the first place.
 
Quag said:
Personal experience is anecdotal not fact.
Fact is any side effects from vaccines are beyond rare when compared to the number of people who long term negative effects/death from measles.
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Can you prove the accuracy of side effect reporting?

What I mean is, is there anything to suggest that doctors will attempt to dissociate the side effects witnessed as being caused by the vaccine?

Like if a parents child has a seizure reaction after they child is brought home, so they return to the hospital and tell the doctors what happened after the vaccine. Then the doctors do a cat scan to find blood on the brain, and rather than chalking it up to the vaccine they will accuse the parents of shaking the child and having the child taken by child and family services (or whatever the name is in your locality)?

It's not unheard of, a similar process was performed while aspartame was in the FDA approval process for consumption. Just don't count all the monkeys that died, and suddenly after the 4th or 5th failure, it qualifies as "safe".
 
BmanMcfly said:
Can you prove the accuracy of side effect reporting?

What I mean is, is there anything to suggest that doctors will attempt to dissociate the side effects witnessed as being caused by the vaccine?

Like if a parents child has a seizure reaction after they child is brought home, so they return to the hospital and tell the doctors what happened after the vaccine. Then the doctors do a cat scan to find blood on the brain, and rather than chalking it up to the vaccine they will accuse the parents of shaking the child and having the child taken by child and family services (or whatever the name is in your locality)?

It's not unheard of, a similar process was performed while aspartame was in the FDA approval process for consumption. Just don't count all the monkeys that died, and suddenly after the 4th or 5th failure, it qualifies as "safe".
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Same as deaths caused by other illnesses such as the flu brought on by measles may not be attributed to the measles.
The numbers are so staggering that there is no doubt vaccines are immensely safe in comparison to the diseases they seek to prevent.
 
bicycleman said:
I grew up in the 50's and measles vaccines were unheard of. It was a typical childhood disease that children got. We weathered it and moved on. Now, someone is carrying a torch for a disease that is just what it is, a typical childhood disease. Get the disease, and you're immune for life. It is not the end of the world.
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You keep saying the same thing over and over, ignoring the stats that show otherwise. Repeating something doesn't make it true.

The vaccine became available in 1963, fyi. And those of us who got the vaccine in the 60s are advised to get an MMR.
 
Quag said:
Same as deaths caused by other illnesses such as the flu brought on by measles may not be attributed to the measles.
The numbers are so staggering that there is no doubt vaccines are immensely safe in comparison to the diseases they seek to prevent.
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I am aware of the numbers... I was questioning the veracity of those numbers.
 
BmanMcfly said:
I am aware of the numbers... I was questioning the veracity of those numbers.
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Of course you are just asking questions.....
Numbers are so skewed in favor of vaccinations that even if a few are misreported (both sides of the equation can have that BTW) that it doesn't matter. fact remains vaccinations are safer to an extreme degree than getting measles.
 
bicycleman said:
Smallpox was long controlled even in the 50's. Comparing smallpox to measles is an apples to oranges comparison. Measles shouldn't even be a problem. This so-called measles dilemma is a made up concept so today's new liberal youth can have another cause to support.
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Wtf are you talking about? You have no evidence for that. I'm a conservative btw. Oh. And measles BEFORE the vaccination in 1968: 495 deaths a year. 2001-2011? 62 CASES yearly.

The measles is a problem because certain morons refuse to vaccinate because they don't understand science and cling to moronic notions that have been disproven time and again.

Oh and smallpox:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

1970s. Outbreaks in India and Yugoslavia. So you want us to stop vaccinating when one of the largest populations on the planet, one that has a regular number of citizens visiting, and living in America, had a bad outbreak in the 70s.

Why don't you provide me with one logical reason to NOT vaccinate.
 
bicycleman said:
I grew up in the 50's and measles vaccines were unheard of. It was a typical childhood disease that children got. We weathered it and moved on. Now, someone is carrying a torch for a disease that is just what it is, a typical childhood disease. Get the disease, and you're immune for life. It is not the end of the world.
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A typical childhood disease that killed people commonly in the past. And had risk of leaving people permanently disfigured, deaf, and so on.

Oh. And let's not forget that the disease was almost wiped out with 62 reported cases from 2001-2011. More people died annually from the disease in the 50s than that. Roughly 8 times that.
 
Quag said:
Same as deaths caused by other illnesses such as the flu brought on by measles may not be attributed to the measles.
The numbers are so staggering that there is no doubt vaccines are immensely safe in comparison to the diseases they seek to prevent.
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More likely to die from an asprin complication.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Not vaccinating is intentional neglect, it is choosing to not prevent very serious diseases by cheap/free/safe immunization. There are no rational reasons for not taking the simple step of immunization of a normal child, it is pure crackpotism to not immunize.
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Just because you do not understand a reason does not make it irrational. Sorry buddy boy...

Bullchit, the chances of infection is VERY high when a non-immunized person is EXPOSED. The reason the risk of exposure is low in the US is because so many are IMMUNIZED. You are arguing to "not wear a safety belt" of immunization.
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Exposed... good job adding a qualifier and thus changing the argument to fit YOUR criteria. The sign of a feeble debater. :lol:

I say that you are blind to your own irony.
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No, you just don't understand what Russian Roulette really is... it is something forced on you like a game. Otherwise EVERYTHING is Russian Roulette and that is retarded. Sticking a needle in a kid not knowing the outcome is Russian Roulette. Living a natural life where you may or may not get a disease, hit by a car or smashed by a meteor is NOT Russian Roulette.

Sniff...I hurt your argument....so sad.
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Quite the opposite.... clowns make me laugh. :lol:
 
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