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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

I am against mandatory vaccinations. IF schools want to ban those children then they need to supply teachers to come to the houses of banned children so that they can teach them.

Why? If a person wants to use public services, then they need to abide by the rules to use that service.
 
Why? If a person wants to use public services, then they need to abide by the rules to use that service.

That doesn't open up Pandora's Box or anything... mandatory sterilization of anybody with an IQ under 90 and half of the people living in the South is best for our nation too, does that work for you?
 
My good friend whose 4 year old son has leukemia posted this article on her prayers for Zac blog.

Grace: For kids with cancer, other families’ vaccination choices can mean ‘life or death’

By Erin Grace / World-Herald columnist | Posted 17 hours ago

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Sammy is 7 and has spent half his life battling something called neuroblastoma. He’s had so many chemotherapy treatments that his mother has lost count. The treatments have knocked out his immune system, making Sammy at risk for an old-fashioned disease that has resurfaced — measles.

Sammy is too sick to get a second measles shot. The first vaccine he got, at 12 months, is no longer good after all the chemo.
So Sammy, who has beautiful blue-gray eyes like his mom and an affinity for the iPad like just about every other child, is a human sponge for germs. A cold can be serious. The measles could be a killer.

So Sammy’s health, fragile as it is, depends on the health of the rest of us — the herd.

If the herd stays vaccinated, then infants and the weak among us have a much better chance of staying measles-free.


“It only takes one time to be exposed,” Erin Nahorny said at Children’s, where Sammy was receiving a blood transfusion. “It’s like life or death to us.”

Contact the writer: erin.grace@owh.com, twitter.com/ErinGraceOWH

Grace: For kids with cancer, other families
 
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That doesn't open up Pandora's Box or anything... mandatory sterilization of anybody with an IQ under 90 and half of the people living in the South is best for our nation too, does that work for you?

Yikes! That was extreme. Mandatory vaccinations is not comparable to eugenics.
 
Why? If a person wants to use public services, then they need to abide by the rules to use that service.

That logic is a pandora's box. Where are it's limits?
 
That doesn't open up Pandora's Box or anything... mandatory sterilization of anybody with an IQ under 90 and half of the people living in the South is best for our nation too, does that work for you?

Great minds think alike. :)
 
Yikes! That was extreme. Mandatory vaccinations is not comparable to eugenics.

It could be...when you give society or it's govt the right to decide for you what medical avenues to take.
 
That logic is a pandora's box. Where are it's limits?

She is yet another one that will struggle to argue against the patriot act.
 
That logic is a pandora's box. Where are it's limits?

In answer to your slippery slope, I think we can safely say that mandatory vaccinations are not blazing a trail for the practice of eugenics.
 
It could be...when you give society or it's govt the right to decide for you what medical avenues to take.

Lots of things could lead to others, but it's highly unlikely mandatory vaccinations could lead the government from practicing eugenics.
 
It could be...when you give society or it's govt the right to decide for you what medical avenues to take.

The government restricts your ability to endanger society in a lot of ways. Sorry this bothers you.

Tell us more about how vaccinations are similar to sterilizing the genetically inferior.
 
Yikes! That was extreme. Mandatory vaccinations is not comparable to eugenics.

The argument has been for the greater good and what the government should do... should unvaccinated kids be allowed in parks, the DMV, the post office?
 
The argument has been for the greater good and what the government should do... should unvaccinated kids be allowed in parks, the DMV, the post office?

Where kids are likely to pass highly communicable diseases, it's good policy. No one is mandating flu vaccinations, no matter that yearly, millions of children catch that.

Personally, I would prefer to have the opportunity to avoid unvaccinated people in public spaces (see Disneyland measles outbreak for a good reason), but disallowing them at school, where kids are compelled to go daily, is more important to me.
 
The argument has been for the greater good and what the government should do... should unvaccinated kids be allowed in parks, the DMV, the post office?

And to take your argument to it's logical extent, we should disband the United States as an entity. Smaller government is better, right?
 
If the chances are 'infinitesmally low", why vaccinate at all?

Or can you not connect the dots to see that the vaccinations themselves are what lower the chances of infection (which I also spelled out for you in my original post)
Huh?

This really has no relevance to the original point that was made, which was that there's no reason to be fearful that your infant grandchild might die, or that they are at any real greater risk of dying, due to a tiny outbreak of measles. Its nonsense, as are all these news stories that aim to scare people about this "deadly disease" by trying to pass off third world statistics as being somehow relevant to care here in the US.

Fifty years ago, before there was a vaccine, we had millions of people infected with measles, and something like 65 infant deaths per year. Now we should worry, because 200 people got measles at Disneyland?

Give me a break.
 
Huh?

This really has no relevance to the original point that was made, which was that there's no reason to be fearful that your infant grandchild might die, or that they are at any real greater risk of dying, due to a tiny outbreak of measles. Its nonsense, as are all these news stories that aim to scare people about this "deadly disease" by trying to pass off third world statistics as being somehow relevant to care here in the US.

Fifty years ago, before there was a vaccine, we had millions of people infected with measles, and something like 65 infant deaths per year. Now we should worry, because 200 people got measles at Disneyland?

Give me a break.

Worry? No. Vaccinate.
 
And to take your argument to it's logical extent, we should disband the United States as an entity. Smaller government is better, right?

Smaller government is MUCH better... the USA can exist with one quite easily.
 
Smaller government is MUCH better... the USA can exist with one quite easily.

Right. And the smallest government is no government at all.

If you shrink government, is this not the logical conclusion?
 
Right. And the smallest government is no government at all.

If you shrink government, is this not the logical conclusion?

When did I state that I wanted no government? Some laws are good. The Social Contract is a good thing... within limits.
 
Yikes! That was extreme. Mandatory vaccinations is not comparable to eugenics.

Indeed, it is truly laughable that anybody would make that kind of an argument. Scary that anybody could be so blindly doctrinaire as to think that freedom of choice is applicable to vaccinations. From a truly libertarian perspective, you have the same "freedom of choice" to vaccinate as you have "freedom of choice" to set of explosives or otherwise cause harm to others. Choosing not to vaccinate is a form of assault.
 
When did I state that I wanted no government? Some laws are good. The Social Contract is a good thing... within limits.

About the same time anybody said they wanted eugenics, or to bar unvaccinated people from any public space.

So, apparently wanting "smaller government" doesn't mean wanting no government. Could this also mean that supporting the current vaccination system doesn't mean supporting putting the unvaccinated in some kind of leper colony?
 
It's a public health risk to not get vaccinations for diseases that at one time were wide spread. I'm sad to hear some diseases that were once almost eradicated are coming back due to people not vaccinating their children.

Measles continue to be widespread outside the U.S. In 2011, France reported 15,000 cases.
Most parents in this country overwhelmingly have their children vaccinated. There are few minor groups for a multiple of reasons that don't. We had an outbreak of 383 cases in Ohio this past year mainly in Amish communities that are all over Ohio. Amish people do not vaccinate. In my school district, before a child can be enrolled in public school, the parent must provide proof their child's vaccinations are up to date. Years later some require boosters and at that time they remind the parent the child's records will need to be updated.

There was a severe outbreak in the Phillipines in 2013-14. These people entering the U.S. from Philippines the CDC claims were part of the source for the rise in number of cases in 2014. And throughout 2014 we had a huge influx of youth coming across our Southern borders from South American countries. Though the vaccination programs in many of these countries have improved greatly in recent years where 1 year olds are now being vaccinated, it hasn't been the case in years past where the majority of children were not vaccinated. There's a real good chance a child 10 years old has never been vaccinated.

Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

According to the CDC, the outbreak originating in Disneyland was from foreigners. All cases to date are of those who have not been vaccinated.
 
About the same time anybody said they wanted eugenics, or to bar unvaccinated people from any public space.

So, apparently wanting "smaller government" doesn't mean wanting no government. Could this also mean that supporting the current vaccination system doesn't mean supporting putting the unvaccinated in some kind of leper colony?

I never said that I wanted no government. Sorry. The rest is some bizarre Straw Man.
 
Really? Were you there back then, or it is something you read on the Internet?

BM, if you don't care to read the research and the reporting on the virulence of the diseases and how many people died from it - even if YOU didn't know anyone - that's your problem. Most of us prefer to do the research.
 
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