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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Bodhisattva said:
The elderly? The shots effectiveness wears off after time... I would rather let the fittest survive than protecting a fat slob of a herd. Have you looked at the people lately?
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How grotesque and murderous.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Wrong. The reintroduction is purely natural. Nobody against vaccines has the diseases stored in a lab and is now reintroducing them into society... Conspiracy Theory much?
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As natural as the plague was. You are unaware of so much. Herd immunity is an important facet of modern disease control. Read up on it.
 
Deuce said:
Correct. Everybody has to live in society and interact with other people, which is why vaccinations are even more important than airline safety regulations. I can choose to avoid air travel, but I can't choose to avoid people.
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Life isn't a nice little walk in the park buddy... Forcing injections is still not analogous.
 
Zyphlin said:
There's as much evidence that vaccines cause autism or ADHD as there is evidence that you posting on a web forum causes it. Obviously, you should start questioning how healthy it is for your children if you post on a message board and refrain from doing so until you can 100% prove it has no effect. And using the standard you use for vaccines, which seemingly is that having zero evidence that it DOES cause it doesn't mean you have 100% evidence it doesn't.

You better stop using the forum Bodhisattva, you know....for the kids. Because you just don't don't 100% it won't cause them to get autism or die.
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There is evidence that using computers can cause harm. Carpel Tunnel. Bad for the eyes... they didn't know about cell phones affecting sterility until recently. Who knows what they will find with vaccines...
 
Henrin said:
I like how people think their opinion on what goes into other peoples bodies matters. It just goes to show how much fascism has been become part of the collective conscious of the US.
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There will be a Roe v Wade type of Constitutional challenge regarding medical privacy... I wonder how Pro-Choice advocates like Minnie will respond.
 
Cardinal said:
I would be willing to bet a compelling state interest could be argued in favor of mandatory vaccinations...period. People don't come into contact with other people only in public institutions.
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How did that work out in the RvW Decision? Medical privacy trumps your paranoia.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Wrong. The reintroduction is purely natural. Nobody against vaccines has the diseases stored in a lab and is now reintroducing them into society... Conspiracy Theory much?
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You know, April Fools is still two months away.
 
minnie616 said:
From your link the MMR ( the measles, mumps , rubella )vaccine is given between 12 and 18 months.
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Why are you talking about the MMR to exclusion of the rest?
 
Deuce said:
I like how people think they have the right to put other people and their children in danger. I like how people think they have the right to revive serious illnesses and start nationwide epidemics.
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There goes driving, playing football and eating spicy food. Damn you are a buzz kill to life.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why are you talking about the MMR to exclusion of the rest?
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Measles is very contagious ( among the most contagious and has one of highest death rates of all childhood diseases ) and the vaccine which is more than 99 percent effective is not given until the child is a year old.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Then you are truly an idiot with no understanding of math. I'm willing to bet the number of kids who die from vaccines doesn't even break 100 a year. If it even breaks double disgets. The only exception should be if a real doctor says that the kid would die from vaccination, and for those exceptions they would be fine because a 95 percent vaccinated society would protect them

If you call a healthy society fascism then so be it, go live in freedom in Somalia
There is no constitutional right to neglect your child it's not in there

In fact under the constitution units of government can compel inoculation

FindLaw | Cases and Codes
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With regards to your insult... ouch. That really hurts coming from random internet guy. Take it easy on me...

I understand that math is irrelevant. No, somebody will challenge and win like RvW did regarding medical privacy.
 
Heard on the radio last week that this has been the most dangerous flu season in years. The stat was that 198 of 100,000 people were hospitalized with it. That is .2% of the population. On top of that, this year's vaccinewas a bit over 25% effective. So that means it would only have prevented hospitalization of .05% of the population. The treatment for those hospitalized consists of Tamiflu and IV fluids as the worst symptom of severe flu is dehydration, which can be avoided by drinking water and sport drinks. And to avoid this evidently horrific run on hospitals, we should all get a vaccine that costs $25 a pop, for a total of $7.5 BILLION a year to big pharm. This isn't the Plague people, it's what amounts to nature's weight loss program. A couple of days off work (for those of you who can do that, last time I had the flu I was still working, but at the time I worked alone), you lose a couple of pounds, take some OTC meds like Imodium and Tylenol, and end up detoxed after a couple of days. I don't see the emergency for most people.
 
Cardinal said:
Awesome, totally scientific reasoning there.
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Just a stat. Don't make too much of it although it does go to show that they do not practice what they preach.

Cardinal said:
Why, because the antivaccine movement needs a playboy model to get out your message while I only need the scientific community? Get over it -- idiots are behind the anti-vaccine movement, and you're lining up behind them.
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I am not anti-vaccine. We got my daughter vaccines. Keep making that silly comment though...

iguanaman said:
The 10 Epidemics That Almost Wiped Out Mankind - Business Insider
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No. You said a disease that nearly wiped out the human race. Two of those were around 100 million people and that is hardly close to your assertion. Retract it and gain some mana.

Lakryte said:
There are a limited number of Flu Shots each year--it isn't possible for everyone to take them. Those who should take flu shots are those at most risk of having serious complications (the elderly) or infecting others that are at risk. That some doctors refrain from taking the shots so others in greater need of them get them doesn't make flu shots bad.
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Flu shots are a waste of time and money for 95% of the population.

Sherman123 said:
How grotesque and murderous.
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It is not murderous as I am not intentionally killing anybody... I think forcing injections on people is grotesque and for those that die you are actually murdering them knowing that some will die and doing it anyway. You should look yourself in the mirror and repeat... I don't mind intentionally killing innocent children.

iguanaman said:
As natural as the plague was. You are unaware of so much. Herd immunity is an important facet of modern disease control. Read up on it.
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I am aware of the whole argument on both sides... get over yourself because it is ****ing retarded. Read my comment again for comprehension.
 
minnie616 said:
Measles is very contagious ( among the most contagious and has one of highest death rates of all childhood diseases ) and the vaccine which is more than 99 percent effective is not given until the child is a year old.
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OK. Thank you.
 
JANFU said:
The uproar over vaccinations being connected to Autism was bunk. The Brit MD who was involved in creating this crap is no longer permitted to practice.
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Agree, the additive that some attributed to Autism was I think is called Thimerosal.

I dont think its being used anymore exept in some Flu vaccines.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Just a stat. Don't make too much of it although it does go to show that they do not practice what they preach.
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It goes to show you go after the stupidest reasons for casting doubt on something, which as you've already admitted you have no reason for doing anyway.

Bodhisattva said:
I am not anti-vaccine. We got my daughter vaccines. Keep making that silly comment though...
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Bodhisattva said:
My girls are not vaccinated though I would like them to be, even though one had that adverse reaction but my ex-wife is 100% opposed to them and since we are divorced with Court Orders I am stuck. That said, my girls are fine and there is a pretty large population here that is not vaccinated.
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So which Bodhisattva am I talking to today?

edit: okay, I screwed up there with that one daughter. My bad on that. Your position is still super stupid, though.
 
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Cardinal said:
It goes to show you go after the stupidest reasons for casting doubt on something, which as you've already admitted you have no reason for doing anyway.
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I do have a reason... my daughter almost died from the MMR vaccine. Child ADHD and SIDS rates are high and even increasing... children die and have serious reactions to vaccines including brain seizures.

So which Bodhisattva am I talking to today?
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The same never changing one... My oldest got her vaccinations until her 1 year-old MMR vaccine and had an adverse reaction, as I have stated. My youngest is not vaccinated at all, as I have stated.

At this point, according to the science, kids should get vaccinated. Test your kid for allergies first though. Vaccines should NEVER be mandatory though.

EDIT: Fine. Accepted. And No... it isn't.
 
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Fenton said:
Agree, the additive that some attributed to Autism was I think is called Thimerosal.

I dont think its being used anymore exept in some Flu vaccines.
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Yes, parents didn't like the idea of shooting their kids up with mercury, no matter how small the dose. The FDA, CDC, NIH, HSRA and American Academy of Pediatrics eventually agreed that injecting babies with mercury maybe it wasn't such a great idea, and this eventually forced the manufacturers to eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The elderly? The shots effectiveness wears off after time... I would rather let the fittest survive than protecting a fat slob of a herd. Have you looked at the people lately?
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Given your lack of compassion, I am glad you are not the one deciding vaccination policy for the nation.
 
tech30528 said:
Heard on the radio last week that this has been the most dangerous flu season in years. The stat was that 198 of 100,000 people were hospitalized with it. That is .2% of the population. On top of that, this year's vaccinewas a bit over 25% effective. So that means it would only have prevented hospitalization of .05% of the population. The treatment for those hospitalized consists of Tamiflu and IV fluids as the worst symptom of severe flu is dehydration, which can be avoided by drinking water and sport drinks. And to avoid this evidently horrific run on hospitals, we should all get a vaccine that costs $25 a pop, for a total of $7.5 BILLION a year to big pharm. This isn't the Plague people, it's what amounts to nature's weight loss program. A couple of days off work (for those of you who can do that, last time I had the flu I was still working, but at the time I worked alone), you lose a couple of pounds, take some OTC meds like Imodium and Tylenol, and end up detoxed after a couple of days. I don't see the emergency for most people.
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You might want to read up on the 1918 flu before you get too blase about the flu.
 
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