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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

You don't have to eat at a restaurant nor get in a plane or a car, for that matter. Forcing injections into a person is not analogous to his or your argument. Not even close.

Correct. Everybody has to live in society and interact with other people, which is why vaccinations are even more important than airline safety regulations. I can choose to avoid air travel, but I can't choose to avoid people.
 
When we withheld vaccinations one of the primary reasons was because we wanted our children to contract a disease so that they could specifically spread it to kill people...

... how did you figure out our creative plan? Was it on CSI?

Your ex is probably trying to kill you....
 
From a Recent ( Jan29,2015) USA Today article

Some examples of the disruption: Arizona has diagnosed only seven cases of measles, but those infected people have exposed as many as 1,000 others, including babies too young to have had their first measles shot, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services. Doctors recommend that unvaccinated people exposed to measles be quarantined for three weeks, the measles incubation period.

The CDC recommends that children receive a first measles shot around age 1 and a second at ages 4 to 6 before beginning kindergarten.

The Arizona measles cases began with one unvaccinated family of four from Pinal County that went to Disneyland, according to state health officials. Back at home, one of the children went to two urgent-care centers for medical attention, exposing 18 children, 13 of whom were unvaccinated. That family also exposed a woman from Maricopa County, who then exposed as many as 195 children at a child care center. A man who caught measles from the family then exposed others.

Although the routine spread of measles was eliminated in the USA in 2000, a low rate of vaccination in some communities has allowed the virus —

one of the most contagious — to make a comeback, says Walter Orenstein, a professor and associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center in Atlanta. Measles vaccination rates range from a low of 81% of kindergarten students in Colorado to a high of nearly 100% in Mississippi.

The current generation of parents has no experience with measles, Orenstein points out. A growing number have skipped or delayed children's vaccines because of debunked myths about vaccines causing autism, Orenstein says.

"People don't see these diseases, they don't fear these diseases, and they don't know how serious these diseases can be," he says.

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Measles has infected 84 people in 14 states this year
 
Oh yes companies and governments always tell the truth.

The government sometimes lies to you, yes. And businesses do too.

And Andrew Wakefield was one of those lying businessmen. He had a competing product he wanted to push and he fabricated data. Why are you excusing his fraud?


The point was is that the Europeans who came here had immunity but the natives whom they came into contact with didn't.

Only Europeans who had been exposed to the disease would have been immune. Not enough to prevent a spread. Herd immunity only functions when a high percentage of the population is immune. Having only 20% of your population immune is like only putting security on 20% of the entrances to a building. Why bother?
 
That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.

There's as much evidence that vaccines cause autism or ADHD as there is evidence that you posting on a web forum causes it. Obviously, you should start questioning how healthy it is for your children if you post on a message board and refrain from doing so until you can 100% prove it has no effect. And using the standard you use for vaccines, which seemingly is that having zero evidence that it DOES cause it doesn't mean you have 100% evidence it doesn't.

You better stop using the forum Bodhisattva, you know....for the kids. Because you just don't don't 100% it won't cause them to get autism or die.
 
One person who has recommended some vaccinations and urged NOT getting others?

Our family doctor. Been in practice nearly 4 decades having recently retired from being a lead doctor at the hospital.

An insulting cartoon face of doctors wasn't in that picture earlier in this thread.

Who in this thread has suggested people should take every vaccine ever no matter the context?

Or are you just doing a strawman?

There's legitimate medical reasons why to forgo some vaccines. Proven, studied, verifiable reasons that are generally agreed upon across the medical field.

That is far different than not doing a vaccination because you think it'll lead to autism or adhd despite zero legitimate evidence suggesting the things are linked.

My wife was struck with a disease that was a cousin to the chicken pox when she was young. Later, when 3 of her sibling got the chicken pox she did not. Later, when some of her friends did she did not. When she went to the doctor before college and the chicken pox vaccine was brought up, the doctor suggested it could medically be reasonable to skip it for her since she's seemed to have a good immune response to it already due to the other disease, and thus wasn't as necessary to inject her with the chickenpox virus, which could potentially have had a mild chance for ramifications down the road.

This was not taking a vaccine for a legitimate medical reason based on actual facts, context, and a medical understanding of the legitimate health benefits and risks. Few, if any, people have an issue with this kind of thing...or with someone not taking a vaccine because they're allergic to something in it. What they have a problem with is people refusing to take them, especially for some of the more serious diseases, due to medically unsound reasons.
 
As humans with individual rights, we have the right to be refuse to consume things that are good for us or to choose to consume things that are bad for us. We are not a "herd."

We can also use those rights to freely express how stupid it is to not get vaccinations that can protect you from preventable disease, and I do.


I don't think vaccines should be mandatory in general.

I have no issue with the government mandating that entry into public school, or a public university, require the person to have certain vaccines (outside of a legitimate religious exemption) because I'm those sitatuons it's using public funds from all of us and the government and citizens have a vested interest in the public health of the facilities they're running.
 
I like how people think their opinion on what goes into other peoples bodies matters. It just goes to show how much fascism has been become part of the collective conscious of the US.
 
I like how people think their opinion on what goes into other peoples bodies matters. It just goes to show how much fascism has been become part of the collective conscious of the US.

Out of curiosity have you decided to research this topic at all since joining this discussion way back on page 3?
 
Out of curiosity have you decided to research this topic at all since joining this discussion way back on page 3?

It appears to me you guys are losing ground to people you consider the enemy and are having a cry session over it. I swear if you guys were libertarians you would have all committed suicide long ago.
 
I don't think vaccines should be mandatory in general.

I have no issue with the government mandating that entry into public school, or a public university, require the person to have certain vaccines (outside of a legitimate religious exemption) because I'm those sitatuons it's using public funds from all of us and the government and citizens have a vested interest in the public health of the facilities they're running.

I would be willing to bet a compelling state interest could be argued in favor of mandatory vaccinations...period. People don't come into contact with other people only in public institutions.
 
I would be willing to bet a compelling state interest could be argued in favor of mandatory vaccinations...period. People don't come into contact with other people only in public institutions.

Where is this compelling state interest stuff in the Constitution?
 
It appears to me you guys are losing ground to people you consider the enemy and are having a cry session over it. I swear if you guys were libertarians you would have all committed suicide long ago.

"No, I still have no idea what this thread is about" would have been a shorter and more succinct response.
 
Research the topic, then we talk.

Have a good cry session over losing a fight you feel strongly about and then explain to me where I can find this compelling state interest argument in the Constitution.
 
I like how people think their opinion on what goes into other peoples bodies matters. It just goes to show how much fascism has been become part of the collective conscious of the US.

I like how people think they have the right to put other people and their children in danger. I like how people think they have the right to revive serious illnesses and start nationwide epidemics.
 
I like how people think they have the right to put other people and their children in danger. I like how people think they have the right to revive serious illnesses and start nationwide epidemics.

Risk of disease is a part of life. It's a scary world out there for the meek.
 
Do not feed the troll.
 
Risk of disease is a part of life. It's a scary world out there for the meek.

And for some reason you aren't posting in protest of the fascism that is food handling regulations for grocery stores and diners.
 
And for some reason you aren't posting in protest of the fascism that is food handling regulations for grocery stores and diners.

No, don't....! Oh goddammit...
 
And for some reason you aren't posting in protest of the fascism that is food handling regulations for grocery stores and diners.

I'm not a riot happy little liberal that spends his days trying to think of what to protest next. Since my thoughts on food safety have nothing to do with this thread I don't have much else to say about your post at this time.
 
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The possibility of deaths happening from this outbreak in the US is more realistic and should be much scarier to anyone who knows / loves an infant than the recent Ebola scare in the US.

I know I am scared for my 2 grandchildren ( 7 months and 11 months ) who are still too young to get vaccinated.
Risk of death from measles is quite small. An infant is at least 100 times more likely to die of SIDS and that's already fairly rare.
 
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