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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

joko104 said:
You can't deny your own message. Sorry, but the time limit for you to delete it has passed.
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I suggest you try to read gooder.
 
Henrin said:
The fact that you are so concerned over this stuff is evidence that you're paranoid. As for me getting a shot, well, good luck with that.
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As we know from Rick Perry, it is possible that the corporate pay-off to politicians for passing laws requiring another forced buying-from-drug-companies might get exposed and delay your successful lobbying for big pharma.
 
Cardinal said:
I suggest you try to read gooder.
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Which of your issues of Playboy was that "model" in? I'm unaware of any Playboy model having anything to do with this topic.
 
joko104 said:
Which of your issues of Playboy was that "model" in? I'm unaware of any Playboy model having anything to do with this topic.
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Are you an anti-vaxxer trying to disassociate himself with one of the most prominent spokespeople of that movement being a playboy model?
 
Cardinal said:
Are you an anti-vaxxer trying to disassociate himself with one of the most prominent spokespeople of that movement being a playboy model?
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I don't know of any of the playboy models or really anything about the ant-vaxxer movement, so I have no idea who you are talking about as well.
 
Henrin said:
I don't know of any of the playboy models or really anything about the ant-vaxxer movement, so I have no idea who you are talking about as well.
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Well seeing as you've been participating in this discussion for a number of pages now maybe it would behoove you to google up on the antivaccination movement, what it's all about and who some of the prominent people endorsing it are.
 
Cardinal said:
Well seeing as you've been participating in this discussion for a number of pages now maybe it would behoove you to google up on the antivaccination movement, what it's all about and who some of the prominent people endorsing it are.
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Well seeing as I haven't shown any interest in the movement that seems kind of like a waste of time. Why don't you just provide the name of the playboy model you're talking about?
 
As humans with individual rights, we have the right to be refuse to consume things that are good for us or to choose to consume things that are bad for us. We are not a "herd."

We can also use those rights to freely express how stupid it is to not get vaccinations that can protect you from preventable disease, and I do.
 
Any parent who refuses the advice of the licensed medical community for a procedure to be done or drug administers should be arrested for child abuse, the child taken away, and the drug(s) administered or procedure done on government order.

Any adult who refuses the advice of the licensed medical community for a procedure to be done or drug administers should be picked up on a mental health warrant as suicidal and the drug(s) administered or procedure done on government order.

PS.

The 3rd leading cause of death in the USA now it lethal bad advice, wrong procedures and wrongly administered drugs by the medical community.

Now a study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher — between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death.

That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.


How Many Die From Medical Mistakes In U.S. Hospitals? : Shots - Health News : NPR

What is #1 most likely to kill you is heart disease.

What is #2 most likely to kill you is cancer.

What is #3 most likely to kill you is your doctor.
 
Henrin said:
I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..

The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...
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That is a problem of yours, normal people understand the concept especially when it deals with the spread of disease. The human race has nearly been wiped out at least once from contagious disease before science learned to control and eliminate their spread.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well seeing as you've been participating in this discussion for a number of pages now maybe it would behoove you to google up on the antivaccination movement, what it's all about and who some of the prominent people endorsing it are.
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You having found some "Playboy model" saying something negative about vaccinations is exactly nothing.

I've read a great deal on the topic but, unlike you, never a Playboy or the opinion of a Playboy model. Obviously you considered her one of your scientific opinions to add into your decision process. I haven't. What does that say about the difference between us as to how we form our opinions?
 
Henrin said:
Well seeing as I haven't shown any interest in the movement that seems kind of like a waste of time. Why don't you just provide the name of the playboy model you're talking about?
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You joined this discussion on page three and it's page 21 now, so if you don't know what the antivaccination movement is then you've simply had no interest in learning. I won't waste my time on someone who's made the conscious decision to remain willfully ignorant on the topic.
 
Henrin said:
I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..

The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...
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Hasn't that been the justification for every genocide? Stalin murdering 10% of the population was the greater good for 90%? That it was a greater good for all remaining Germans to kill Jews, the disabled and homosexuals?
 
joko104 said:
You having found some "Playboy model" saying something negative about vaccinations is exactly nothing.

I've read a great deal on the topic but, unlike you, never a Playboy or the opinion of a Playboy model. Obviously you considered her one of your scientific opinions to add into your decision process. I haven't. What does that say about the difference between us as to how we form our opinions?
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That you're unaware that a Playboy model is a prominent spokesperson for the antivaccine movement is ultimately irrelevant compared to the fact that the movement must rely on medically untrained celebrities to get their message out, while vaccines have the tawdry, boring and expertly qualified backing of the scientific and medical communities.
 
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One person who has recommended some vaccinations and urged NOT getting others?

Our family doctor. Been in practice nearly 4 decades having recently retired from being a lead doctor at the hospital.

An insulting cartoon face of doctors wasn't in that picture earlier in this thread.
 
joko104 said:
Hasn't that been the justification for every genocide? Stalin murdering 10% of the population was the greater good for 90%? That it was a greater good for all remaining Germans to kill Jews, the disabled and homosexuals?
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Ah, I see I was about to start debating someone who had zero interest in his credibility. Thanks for the heads up.
 
joko104 said:
One person who has recommended some vaccinations and urged NOT getting others?

Our family doctor. Been in practice nearly 4 decades having recently retired from being a lead doctor at the hospital.

An insulting cartoon face of doctors wasn't in that picture earlier in this thread.
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Perhaps because your anecdotal doctor is statistically irrelevant.
 
Cardinal said:
You joined this discussion on page three and it's page 21 now, so if you don't know what the antivaccination movement is then you've simply had no interest in learning. I won't waste my time on someone who's made the conscious decision to remain willfully ignorant on the topic.
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Well I don't really care about some group that liberals are apparently up in arms about. It's more than likely some irrelevant group that is just their annoyance of the week.
 
Henrin said:
Well I don't really care about some group that liberals are apparently up in arms about. It's more than likely some irrelevant group that is just their annoyance of the week.
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If only. Unfortunately the antivaccination movement is reintroducing previously eradicated diseases back into the population.
 
joko104 said:
Since some children are allergic to certain vaccinations and vaccinations for some kids with immune system disorders would die, tell us exactly how many children you want CPS to murder for your fanatical belief in vaccinations and profit for drug companies from every child? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000?

Would at least then have CPS pay for the funerals?
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Give me a break, we at one point had near universal vaccination in this country and nowhere near 10,000 children were killed by vaccines. Your numbers and assertions are not backed up by any level of science in the stew not dignify a response
 
Deuce said:
Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. There is absolutely no evidence linking the two.

The entire idea comes from a single study which was proven to be fraud. The "scientist" was trying to scare people off the MMR vaccine so he could sell more doses of a vaccine he had a patent on. So he fabricated data and suggested that the "mercury" in the vaccine caused autism.

1) It's not mercury. It's thimerosol.
2) The data was fabricated, there's no correlation with autism
3) We don't even use it anymore
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Oh yes companies and governments always tell the truth.
 
Deuce said:
Which is objectively better than being immune to zero strains of a virus.



Also objectively better to not being vaccinated.

For some reason, you seem to be going off some sort of standard of perfection. Vaccines aren't perfect. Nothing is.

Sometimes, you really are better off not wearing a seat belt. That doesn't mean not wearing a seat belt is a good decision.



Um, no. They hadn't figured out vaccinations. Nowhere near a large enough portion of the population was immune.
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The point was is that the Europeans who came here had immunity but the natives whom they came into contact with didn't.
 
Declan said:
This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?
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Actually we do a lot of things for the greater good.Wars in defense of this nation;laws against murder,theft and other crimes; Zoning regulations to ensure that your next door neighbor can not turn his house into a toxic waste dump or shooting range, and so on
I don't care if people get vaccinated or not.
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Neither do I.
 
Ockham said:
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Well if the vast majority of people get vaccinated like you say - only the ones who don't get vaccinated have to worry. Isn't it up to them if they want to take that risk or not... or is should it be forced upon them for the "common good"?
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And that includes all infants under a year old.

Measles can be carried for up to week before the carrier knows he/ she has been a carrier.
All infants that were near the carrier were exposed. Any item the carrier touched/ coughed / sneezed nearby can spread the measles to an unvaccinated person/ infant for up to 2 hours after it was touched or sneezed/coughed near.

Measles is among the most contagious disease since it is it airborne and the carrier carries the disease for several days before he/ she knows they have the disease.

The possibility of deaths happening from this outbreak in the US is more realistic and should be much scarier to anyone who knows / loves an infant than the recent Ebola scare in the US.

I know I am scared for my 2 grandchildren ( 7 months and 11 months ) who are still too young to get vaccinated.
 
Bodhisattva said:
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Then what about the non-understanding of what causes SIDS is opinionated? ...
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The Measles vaccine does not cause SIDS.
That is a given.

SIDS happens to infants under 1 year of age and children have to be between 12 and 15 months before they receive their first MMR ( measles, mumps, rubella) injection.
 
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