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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

The fact is that there are some good reasons for parents, at the least some parents, to intelligently question vaccine safety.

Thank goodness you on your keyboard have no relevance to said parents intelligence or parenting skills.

Once we as a society stop questioning and stop being skeptics about what our government or healthcare providers or doctors for that matter, tell us we need, we become sheep. You're absolutely right there are some who cannot have some vaccines due to medical or allergic reasons - there are also some who want to know exactly what is being injected into them, and why it's so absolutely imperative, as well as questioning what it is and what effects it has on us.
 
Oh look it's another one who still believes the autism lie.

Easy to cast insults if you haven't given your child a vaccination and within hours seen adverse affects worsen until your child almost dies, or experiences other issues like seizures, brain damage or does die.
 
You introduce a person who has no immunity to a communicable disease....

So that's your "everyone?" Everyone has no immunity to a communicable disease? :confused:

Well, that's simple, vaccinate that person.

Of course, there aren't vaccinations for every communicable disease, is there? So it would seem a person who has NO immunity to a communicable disease who goes into the public is doomed anyway, huh?
 
Once we as a society stop questioning and stop being skeptics about what our government or healthcare providers or doctors for that matter, tell us we need, we become sheep. You're absolutely right there are some who cannot have some vaccines due to medical or allergic reasons - there are also some who want to know exactly what is being injected into them, and why it's so absolutely imperative, as well as questioning what it is and what effects it has on us.

Agreed. The thing is... we are a nation of freedom. As long as vaccination are a choice instead of mandatory I have no problem with mindless haters casting insults.

How many children die because their parents are not good drivers? We don't see all these people demanding speed limits of 20mph, do we?
 
To many Americans the products sold by drug companies are as if pills and injections from God. Don't question them. Just pay for them and use them.

If you don't you'll die. If you don't, you'll be depressed. If you don't, your health will collapse, you'll be crippled, suffer continuous pain and you'll be ugly.

Oh, and disregard all the lists of warnings of side effects. Just listen to the pretty music and look at the pretty pictures while they rapidly read those off. Only believe the good things they claim the drugs will do and be certain all the side effects such as death, stroke, uncontrollable trembling, cancer, blindness, and causing desire to commit suicide doesn't apply to you. Only the good stuff applies to. All those confirmed bad effects only apply to other people.

There is no such thing as A vaccination. There are dozens. But don't ask what they are. Don't ask how they are made. Don't ask who did the study declaring they work or that they are safe. Don't ask why. Just pay for them all and them into your kids. If not, you're evil and trying to kill everyone.

Isn't that how the sales pitch works? To kill any debate or discuss by raging at and curse anyone who dare even question those or any drugs by any drug company.

As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.
 
What did that have to do with vaccines? :confused:

That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.
 
As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.

Vaccinations do not work for 100% of the people and they are not 100% effective - there are always exceptions. And even if someone gets a vaccination for themselves or their kids, they should investigate what it is, what it's made of, what the risks are and question the doctor or other health professionals about their specific children or family members before having it. They should also consult the schools system and even legal representation if they feel strongly about the issue before either accepting or rejecting a vaccination. As already stated, there are legitimate cases where a child getting a vaccination could cause more damage than not getting it.
 
As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.

For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...
 
To many Americans the products sold by drug companies are as if pills and injections from God. Don't question them. Just pay for them and use them.

If you don't you'll die. If you don't, you'll be depressed. If you don't, your health will collapse, you'll be crippled, suffer continuous pain and you'll be ugly.

Oh, and disregard all the lists of warnings of side effects. Just listen to the pretty music and look at the pretty pictures while they rapidly read those off. Only believe the good things they claim the drugs will do and be certain all the side effects such as death, stroke, uncontrollable trembling, cancer, blindness, and causing desire to commit suicide doesn't apply to you. Only the good stuff applies to. All those confirmed bad effects only apply to other people.

There is no such thing as A vaccination. There are dozens. But don't ask what they are. Don't ask how they are made. Don't ask who did the study declaring they work or that they are safe. Don't ask why. Just pay for them all and them into your kids. If not, you're evil and trying to kill everyone.

Isn't that how the sales pitch works? To kill any debate or discuss by raging at and curse anyone who dare even question those or any drugs by any drug company.

The only conspiracy that I believe about vaccinations is money. It is a multi-billion dollar industry and every now and then somebody foolishly wants to challenge that. Hell, why are we still driving cars that can only get 40 miles to the gallon? That is idiotic! We have the technology to have all cars drive on vegie oil for ****s sake. Some engines can apparently run on water. But big oil won't have it.
 
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) in 1988 to compensate individuals and families of individuals injured by covered childhood vaccines.[3] The VICP was adopted in response to a scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine.[1] These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards. Most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so.[1] The VICP uses a no-fault system for resolving vaccine injury claims.[1] Compensation covers medical and legal expenses, loss of future earning capacity, and up to $250,000 for pain and suffering; a death benefit of up to $250,000 is available. If certain minimal requirements are met, legal expenses are compensated even for unsuccessful claims.[4] Since 1988, the program has been funded by an excise tax of 75 cents on every purchased dose of covered vaccine. To win an award, a claimant must show a causal connection; if medical records show a child has one of several listed adverse effects soon after vaccination, the assumption is that it was caused by the vaccine. The burden of proof is the civil-law preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in other words a showing that causation was more likely than not. Denied claims can be pursued in civil courts, though this is rare.[1]

The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services; in 2007 the list included vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), polio, hepatitis B, varicella (chicken pox), Haemophilus influenzae type b, rotavirus, and pneumonia.[5] From 1988 until 8 January 2008, 5,263 claims relating to autism, and 2,865 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 925 of these claims, one autism-related (see previous rulings), were compensated, with 1,158 non-autism and 350 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled $847 million.[6] The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[6]

Vaccine court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There have been over 2,000 judgments related to vaccinations totaling over $1.7 billion under federal law. It is nice that the government covers the liabilities of the mega rich drug companies concerning the totally safe, never could harm anyone vaccinations they sell for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars each year

The government should do this for every company, actually for all of us. If anyone sues anyone of us for any wrongful action, the government pays the judgment. The government really should have paid BP's damages too. It's only fair, huh?
 
This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.

Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.


Never, on any occasion, I have I known any person - minor or adult - who was first tested for having a compromised immune system or any allergy to what is in any vaccination. Have you? Yet you admit there is dangers to such people - or do you?
 
For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...

Fair enough, there are people who suffer from allergic reactions from some of the ingredients and in rarer cases suffer from diseases that make them incapable of taking vaccines. (The name for the disorder is escaping me at the moment.) Outside of those rare exceptions you should get vaccinated.
 
That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.

It's a rising diagnosis of autism and those other things you mention. With zero evidence to tie them to vaccines it makes as much sense to blame them on the latest Transformers sequel, which is arguably a lot more credible than the vaccine theory.
 
For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...

Not all vaccinations are the same and certainly not all are for deadly diseases. All vaccinations are not even recommended for everyone and many are urged only for a very narrow range of people at notable risk.

But that all is a contradiction, isn't it? If ALL vaccinates are ALWAYS safe for EVERYONE - then EVERYONE should get ALL vaccinations. Yet that is specifically medically advised against. Why?
 
The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.

luckily, since autism and vaccines aren't related (as I'm sure you know) that isn't a choice any parent has to make.
 
luckily, since autism and vaccines aren't related (as I'm sure you know) that isn't a choice any parent has to make.

Yeah, but you know, like....what if, man?
 
Vaccinations do not work for 100% of the people and they are not 100% effective - there are always exceptions.

Condoms are not 100% effective either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use one to prevent STD's or conceive children. Nor should you use 2% when condoms don't work as promised as a reason why you should not wrap up before the dirty tango.

And even if someone gets a vaccination for themselves or their kids, they should investigate what it is, what it's made of, what the risks are and question the doctor or other health professionals about their specific children or family members before having it.

Sure that makes sense, except vaccines work for the vast majority of humanity. If you have any known allergies you should always consult your doctor about that. Other than that, the risks are extremely limited.

They should also consult the schools system and even legal representation if they feel strongly about the issue before either accepting or rejecting a vaccination.

Feel strongly about what exactly? "My name is John Doe and I want my dumb disease ridden, non-vaccinated kid to mingle and share closed confined spaces with children who are physically incapable of getting vaccines so they can contract polio."


As already stated, there are legitimate cases where a child getting a vaccination could cause more damage than not getting it.

Legitimate? Sure. Likely? A whole different story.
 
Not all vaccinations are the same and certainly not all are for deadly diseases. All vaccinations are not even recommended for everyone and many are urged only for a very narrow range of people at notable risk.

But that all is a contradiction, isn't it? If ALL vaccinates are ALWAYS safe for EVERYONE - then EVERYONE should get ALL vaccinations. Yet that is specifically medically advised against. Why?

...and they are given in super shots with 3-6 vaccines sometimes and to infants at such a susceptible age...
 
There have been instances of vaccinations causing deaths and judgments granted accordingly. These are difficult cases to win because the drug companies put up the you-can't-prove-cigarettes caused the lung cancer defense. Regardless, there have been successful cases won in the USA and elsewhere.

It also has been admitted that drug companies that make vaccinations have massively lied in the past, such as about levels of mercury, and there have been huge screw ups in both production and administration of vaccinations, for which it has been acknowledged that vaccinations HAD caused people - thousands - to get a disease, such as meningitis, that specifically came from the vaccinations. And it has been acknowledged there has been infants who have died from vaccinations.

There issues about flu vaccinations are still another area of debate. New flu vaccinations are put on the market every year with little to no time to test them, any they tend to be a smorgasbord of many vaccinations all in one made by many different companies in and out of the USA.

Vaccinations are big, big money. Billions and billions and billions of dollars. But, I suppose it is true that no corporate people would ever actually tell a lie just for massive piles of money, would they?
 
Sure that makes sense, except vaccines work for the vast majority of humanity. If you have any known allergies you should always consult your doctor about that. Other than that, the risks are extremely limited.

Parents rarely know if their infant children have allergies...

Feel strongly about what exactly? "My name is John Doe and I want my dumb disease ridden, non-vaccinated kid to mingle and share closed confined spaces with children who are physically incapable of getting vaccines so they can contract polio."

:lol: What a idiotic view... dumb disease ridden. Need to cross you off the, "those to take seriously" list.
 
Parents rarely know if their infant children have allergies...



:lol: What a idiotic view... dumb disease ridden. Need to cross you off the, "those to take seriously" list.

Right, and if you're part of the Anti-Vaccine crowd I can safely say you're devoid of reason. Good day.
 
There have been instances of vaccinations causing deaths and judgments granted accordingly. These are difficult cases to win because the drug companies put up the you-can't-prove-cigarettes caused the lung cancer defense. Regardless, there have been successful cases won in the USA and elsewhere.

And that the doctors will not find vaccines at fault anyway...

Vaccinations are big, big money. Billions and billions and billions of dollars. But, I suppose it is true that no corporate people would ever actually tell a lie just for massive piles of money, would they?

Never. Money is nowhere near as important to big profit CEO's than some random kids way over there that they will never have to face.

Look at the 2008 Chinese Milk Scandal... the Chinese did not **** around. They investigated, found fault and put two CEO's to death and life imprisonment for 5 others.

2008 Chinese milk scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Right, and if you're part of the Anti-Vaccine crowd I can safely say you're devoid of reason. Good day.

I am not part of the anti-vaccine crowd but go ahead and be a closed-minded sheeple if you like.
 
Condoms are not 100% effective either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use one to prevent STD's or conceive children. Nor should you use 2% when condoms don't work as promised as a reason why you should not wrap up before the dirty tango.

Sure that makes sense, except vaccines work for the vast majority of humanity. If you have any known allergies you should always consult your doctor about that. Other than that, the risks are extremely limited.

Feel strongly about what exactly? "My name is John Doe and I want my dumb disease ridden, non-vaccinated kid to mingle and share closed confined spaces with children who are physically incapable of getting vaccines so they can contract polio."

Legitimate? Sure. Likely? A whole different story.

That's the strawman everyone is using. That schools apparently are filled with kids that have NO immune system and are vulnerable to all diseases - therefore all other children should be required to be vaccinated.

Kids who have NO immune system should NOT be in public school. Not only are vaccinations not always effective, there are almost countless diseases from which there is no vaccination. Also, should no-immune-system kids are then extraordinarily capable of spreading diseases themselves - including those not addressed by vaccinations, as unlike other kids their bodies can't get rid of the disease - so they would just keep spreading it, where other kids would get over it.

In short, that strawman of lamenting of what about the kids with no functioning immune system is a bunch of crap. THOSE are the kids that should not be allowed in public schools because 1.) there is NO way to protect those kids against diseases since vaccinations do NOT prevent all diseases and 2.) those kids would be continuously spreading those diseases to other kids for which there is no vaccination defense.

For example, there is no vaccination for Infectious mononucleosis. It's a hell of a thing to get and highly contagious. Yet when a kid gets over it they can not spread it. However, a kid with NO immune defense who gets it would just keep spreading to every kid. That is just one of dozens of diseases a kid with no immune system would be spreading to every kid continuously.
 
I am not part of the anti-vaccine crowd but go ahead and be a closed-minded gnat if you like.

When you're done acting like a skid mark we could argue the virtues of vaccination. Until then you can continue your meek attempts at trolling.
 
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