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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

jamesrage said:
Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
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Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. There is absolutely no evidence linking the two.

The entire idea comes from a single study which was proven to be fraud. The "scientist" was trying to scare people off the MMR vaccine so he could sell more doses of a vaccine he had a patent on. So he fabricated data and suggested that the "mercury" in the vaccine caused autism.

1) It's not mercury. It's thimerosol.
2) The data was fabricated, there's no correlation with autism
3) We don't even use it anymore
 
I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..

The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...
 
CMPancake said:
The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.
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Do you really think your kid would die of the measles?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Where do you come up with this crap? Of course we do for the greater good here. What do you think parks are? Why do you think you can't dump your used oil in a neighborhood stream? Why do you think Typhoid Mary was quarantined rather than allowed to continue to cook for NY area families? Why do you think we have a public school system? We do all sorts of things for the greater good in this country and always have. We particularly do things for the greater good when it relates to public health.
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There are people who still change their own oil? What is this--the stone ages?
 
Declan said:
Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.
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Or they don't happen at all when you vaccinate. :roll:
 
Faydra said:
Penn & Teller sum up my views nicely.




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Anti-vaxxers suck. All anti-science people suck, actually, as they all contribute in their own way to the degradation of civilization, but only anti-vaxxers have a demonstrable, immediate and above all deadly effect on mankind. And of course, like all anti-science assholes, they're not actually anti-science, they're...get ready for it...skeptics.
 
Henrin said:
I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..

The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...
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This argument reminds me of someone who doesn't have an argument to make at all. When you can't counter an argument, just attack those making it.

Henrin said:
Do you really think your kid would die of the measles?
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It can be fatal, yes.

Do you really think your kid would die of Leukemia?
 
JANFU said:
Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.
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It's not just that, but the fact that we have a lot of illegal aliens who have come across the border carrying diseases that have not been wiped out in Central and South America
Absolutely, these anti-science idiots are a big factor for the spread of disease but not the only factor. Personally, I think that we ought to bar children from attending school, *ANY* school, without being vaccinated. Screw religious and moral objections.
 
Deuce said:
Oh look it's another one who still believes the autism lie.
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I don't know if it is true or not, but I really don't care either. We can replace all the trailer park conservative freedom figters with hard working Mexicans in a matter of a few hours if we need to.
 
jamesrage said:
Forgive my ignorance but how are people with no vaccines a threat to people with vaccines? It seems to me if children at those birthday parties,play dates and other social functions are already vaccinated then their parents should nothing to worry about from the kids who do not have vaccines.
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They never answer that question, do they? If vaccinations do work, then what the hell difference does it make if every other kid in the school wasn't vaccinated for that disease?

Instead, belief in vaccinations is like a religion to some people. Anyone who doesn't believe in their religion is evil and should be banished and hated.
 
Cephus said:
It's not just that, but the fact that we have a lot of illegal aliens who have come across the border carrying diseases that have not been wiped out in Central and South America
Absolutely, these anti-science idiots are a big factor for the spread of disease but not the only factor. Personally, I think that we ought to bar children from attending school, *ANY* school, without being vaccinated. Screw religious and moral objections.
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Because you really, really HATE those people, right? What other reason could you have? OBVIOUSLY they couldn't infect any kids who were vaccinated, could they? So your motive is pure hatred for the joys of hate - also obvious.
 
joko104 said:
They never answer that question, do they? If vaccinations do work, then what the hell difference does it make if every other kid in the school wasn't vaccinated for that disease?

Instead, belief in vaccinations is like a religion to some people. Anyone who doesn't believe in their religion is evil and should be banished and hated.
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Not evil, banished and hated - just incredibly stupid to put their child at risk of DEATH for no good reason.
 
Faydra said:
Penn & Teller sum up my views nicely.




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No, they really don't. ... ADD, ADHD, SIDS and other things are harming and/or killing children at higher rates than ever before:

The rates of U.S. children affected by attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) are skyrocketing, according to a recent report, but experts caution that the latest numbers require a bit of decoding.

That information shows that 11% of children aged 4 to 17 were diagnosed with ADHD, a 16% increase since 2007, the last time that researchers at Centers for Disease Control (CDC) did a comprehensive survey for the prevalence of the neurobehavior disorder.

Understanding the rise in ADHD diagnoses - CNN.com
 
MrVicchio said:
Considering that the anti-vaccine movement endangers everyone, not just the poor kids left open to disease...
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How does it endanger everyone? That is completely irrational.
 
joko104 said:
Because you really, really HATE those people, right? What other reason could you have? OBVIOUSLY they couldn't infect any kids who were vaccinated, could they? So your motive is pure hatred for the joys of hate - also obvious.
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Vaccinations are not perfect, they do not always protect you from the disease. This year's flu vaccines were a perfect example, they didn't work on most of the flu strains that we ended up with this year. Likewise, there are people who are medically unable to have vaccinations due to a compromised immune system. Those people are directly harmed by the asshats who won't vaccinate their kids. But sure, you can go ahead and assume that I just mindlessly hate people if that turns you on. :roll:
 
Faydra said:
Not evil, banished and hated - just incredibly stupid to put their child at risk of DEATH for no good reason.
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The fact is that there are some good reasons for parents, at the least some parents, to intelligently question vaccine safety.

Thank goodness you on your keyboard have no relevance to said parents intelligence or parenting skills.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No, they really don't. ... ADD, ADHD, SIDS and other things are harming and/or killing children at higher rates than ever before:

The rates of U.S. children affected by attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) are skyrocketing, according to a recent report, but experts caution that the latest numbers require a bit of decoding.

That information shows that 11% of children aged 4 to 17 were diagnosed with ADHD, a 16% increase since 2007, the last time that researchers at Centers for Disease Control (CDC) did a comprehensive survey for the prevalence of the neurobehavior disorder.

Understanding the rise in ADHD diagnoses - CNN.com
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What did that have to do with vaccines? :confused:
 
Bodhisattva said:
No, they really don't. ... ADD, ADHD, SIDS and other things are harming and/or killing children at higher rates than ever before:

The rates of U.S. children affected by attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) are skyrocketing, according to a recent report, but experts caution that the latest numbers require a bit of decoding.

That information shows that 11% of children aged 4 to 17 were diagnosed with ADHD, a 16% increase since 2007, the last time that researchers at Centers for Disease Control (CDC) did a comprehensive survey for the prevalence of the neurobehavior disorder.

Understanding the rise in ADHD diagnoses - CNN.com
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To many Americans the products sold by drug companies are as if pills and injections from God. Don't question them. Just pay for them and use them.

If you don't you'll die. If you don't, you'll be depressed. If you don't, your health will collapse, you'll be crippled, suffer continuous pain and you'll be ugly.

Oh, and disregard all the lists of warnings of side effects. Just listen to the pretty music and look at the pretty pictures while they rapidly read those off. Only believe the good things they claim the drugs will do and be certain all the side effects such as death, stroke, uncontrollable trembling, cancer, blindness, and causing desire to commit suicide doesn't apply to you. Only the good stuff applies to. All those confirmed bad effects only apply to other people.

There is no such thing as A vaccination. There are dozens. But don't ask what they are. Don't ask how they are made. Don't ask who did the study declaring they work or that they are safe. Don't ask why. Just pay for them all and them into your kids. If not, you're evil and trying to kill everyone.

Isn't that how the sales pitch works? To kill any debate or discuss by raging at and curse anyone who dare even question those or any drugs by any drug company.
 
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