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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.
 
The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.
 
The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.

Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.
 
Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.

The uproar over vaccinations being connected to Autism was bunk. The Brit MD who was involved in creating this crap is no longer permitted to practice.
 
Vaccinations should be required before being allowed to send your child to school, unless the child has a valid medical reason not to have them.

You shouldn't be allowed to put my kid at risk because you're an idiot.
 
Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.

Considering that the anti-vaccine movement endangers everyone, not just the poor kids left open to disease...
 
It's a public health risk to not get vaccinations for diseases that at one time were wide spread. I'm sad to hear some diseases that were once almost eradicated are coming back due to people not vaccinating their children.
 
Autism/MMR Vaccine Study Faked: FAQ
But now a lengthy investigation by U.K. investigative reporter Brian Deer finds that Wakefield deliberately faked the study. Deer's findings, first published in the Sunday Times, now appear in BMJ -- accompanied by a scathing editorial by BMJ editors Fiona Godlee and colleagues.

"Deer unearthed evidence of clear falsification," the editorial says. "Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield's."

Andrew Wakefield's Vaccination and Autism Study: Allegations of Fraud With Financial Motivations | Glenn D. Braunstein, M.D.

The investigation by London Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer revealed payments to Wakefield in excess of £435,000 (approximately $674,000) from lawyers who were preparing lawsuits against drug companies that manufactured the vaccines, creating "experimenter bias" even before the study began. In addition, Deer reported that Dr. Wakefield had filed a patent for a new measles vaccine and proposed to develop a new company that would develop new diagnostic tests and therapeutics including vaccines. In 2010, after the GMC's most exhaustive fit-to-practice hearing in its history, Wakefield was banned from practicing medicine in Britain.
 
I blame the anti-science hippies and the anti-science christian fundies for this nonsense. I've never seen such ideologically different groups being so collectively responsible for widespread stupidity.
 
Mandatory vaccinations are the answer. Charges should be filed against those who refuse to comply and only medical exemptions should be allowed.
 
The uproar over vaccinations being connected to Autism was bunk. The Brit MD who was involved in creating this crap is no longer permitted to practice.

Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret :shrug:
 
Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.


I think you have Measles confused with another disease.
 
Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret :shrug:
Of course it is bunk. Once a certain percentage go the no vaccination route, only a matter of time for an outbreak to begin.
 
The anti-vaxers are incredibly ignorant, self centered idiots. They refuse to understand the settled science on this.

Their kids should be kept out of any public school.
 
Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.

Forgive my ignorance but how are people with no vaccines a threat to people with vaccines? It seems to me if children at those birthday parties,play dates and other social functions are already vaccinated then their parents should nothing to worry about from the kids who do not have vaccines.
 
Forgive my ignorance but how are people with no vaccines a threat to people with vaccines? It seems to me if children at those birthday parties,play dates and other social functions are already vaccinated then their parents should nothing to worry about from the kids who do not have vaccines.

This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.

Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.
 
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The anti-vaxers are incredibly ignorant, self centered idiots. They refuse to understand the settled science on this.

Their kids should be kept out of any public school.

Perhaps, but then people complain about kids shouldn't be homeschooled.
 
This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.



Vaccines make make you immune to only certain strains of a virus, not immune all the strains of a virus.
According to this cdc article vaccinated children can still become a asymptomatic carrier of the whooping cough.So even the vaccinated kids are still a threat to those who can not be vaccinated.

Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel - Volume 6, Number 5

Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine

Didn't the Europeans who came to the New World have a herd immunity?
 
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Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret :shrug:
Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
 
Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.

This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?

I don't care if people get vaccinated or not. I have been vaccinated as a child and as an adult for more things than most people get in the US, but if someone else wants to roll the dice, so be it. I am not going to be holier than thou about it when there are so many other stupid things people do than this without much outrage.
 
Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.

The vaccines on the CDC recommended vaccine schedule are by far the safest medical procedures available. Take the following example:

Hep B vaccine severe complication rates: 1 in 1.1 million
NSAID severe complication rates: 15 in 100,000

Thus it is an order of magnitude more dangerous to take a Motrin for a ache or pain than it is to receive the Hep B vaccine.
 
This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?

I don't care if people get vaccinated or not. I have been vaccinated as a child and as an adult for more things than most people get in the US, but if someone else wants to roll the dice, so be it. I am not going to be holier than thou about it when there are so many other stupid things people do than this without much outrage.

Where do you come up with this crap? Of course we do for the greater good here. What do you think parks are? Why do you think you can't dump your used oil in a neighborhood stream? Why do you think Typhoid Mary was quarantined rather than allowed to continue to cook for NY area families? Why do you think we have a public school system? We do all sorts of things for the greater good in this country and always have. We particularly do things for the greater good when it relates to public health.
 
Dumping oil in a stream is comparable to not getting vaccine how?
 
Vaccines make make you immune to only certain strains of a virus, not immune all the strains of a virus.
Which is objectively better than being immune to zero strains of a virus.

According to this cdc article vaccinated children can still become a asymptomatic carrier of the whooping cough.So even the vaccinated kids are still a threat to those who can not be vaccinated.

Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel - Volume 6, Number 5

Also objectively better to not being vaccinated.

For some reason, you seem to be going off some sort of standard of perfection. Vaccines aren't perfect. Nothing is.

Sometimes, you really are better off not wearing a seat belt. That doesn't mean not wearing a seat belt is a good decision.

Didn't the Europeans who came to the New World have a herd immunity?

Um, no. They hadn't figured out vaccinations. Nowhere near a large enough portion of the population was immune.
 
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