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'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

Fearandloathing said:
"...wa an Al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq..."

When did he know that? Before of after he ordered US troops home in time for his re-coronation?

They are so Muslim, "Muslim extremists" the fact they also kill other Muslims is not new or removes the fact they worship Alah and it is not for him to say who is of a faith different than his, whatever that might be.

To use his sorry logic, Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland were not Christians during "the troubles".

This guy is just dishonest to the core...he helps create a mess, then uses proof he screwed up to suggest he's innocent and we should kumbaya Islam this instant.


"Stupid voters" is right
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If they aren't true muslims, why are they given korans and allowed to practice in prison? Halal food too.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Threatening the life of a US president is against federal law and knows no borders. The Secret Service must be deployed this instant with a Seal Team to apphend these suspects and bring them to Gitmo immediately for a long talk.

Just like the FBI is tracking down the non terrorists who killed Ambassador Stephens and burned down the Benghazi station. It is only a matter of time before they are found and brought to justice as Holder's DOJ always gets its man except if they're Democrats or Mexican illegals.

Justice must triumph for the American way to survive.
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Justice, leftist style is no justice at all. And they see EVERYTHING through those rose colored glasses.
 
Cephus said:
They don't really fear anyone, they know that Americans, regardless of side, lack the cajones to do what needs to be done to get rid of them permanently.
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We know what side of the spectrum they support, because they know that the left is more favorable to them.

And Americans are going to have to figure out that unless they are willing to step up this will only continue, and likely get worse. I hate to say it but its going to have to take another major attack for many to wake up-but even then within a few years the left will make it about politics.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The single hottest tickets in the world are for death penalty executions...anywhere. The highest priced black market videos are snuff films.

ISIL is not a bunch of illiterate madmen, but cold, calculating assassins with psychology degrees. They know the US media will pay for visuals like this if they could get away with it. They know Americans will be horrified and drawn to it at the same time and they know you are squeamish when it comes to children and women. I once saw a quote from an Iranian madman arrested here who said in effect 'Americans are too easily sickened by real war. We only need to incinerate some babies and they will cry to their mothers.'

This is why I have been so opposed to the self censorship of the media about Islam, cartoons etc., we have allowed them free access to horror, but save them the discomfort over fear of reprisals. The only way to get these guys is to make them totally uncomfortable with everything....and that means attacking Islam itself just as I would attack the Christian Church if such atrocities were carried out in it's name. Just as I rail at my own Baptist denomination for allowing the Westboro people to use the name. We must show them how ridiculous we see them, just as we showed Japan and Hitler what fools we could make of them. Charlie Chaplin did more to advance the cause with one movie more than all the efforts of the American Jewish community. If Islam is so tame in practice they will, as other faiths preach, forgive.

Since 911, IMO, the west has been negligent in holding legitimate Islam to account. AL-Qaeda and ISIL get $ from somewhere, and it's flowing through the Islamic world, not Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists. It's not the Russians or Chinese, it's Muslims. That has to be stopped either through co-operation or force, but it has to stop and if Muslims in America don't like it, take it up with terrorists. If they're really American, they will be eager to co-operate.
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Good post. I agree. From time to time I will go to liveleak and watch some videos from the region, many are propaganda and they are ugly indeed. Watching them removes all doubt about who these people are, and leaves me with the impression of what it will take to stop them.

And that wont be sunshine and rainbows.
 
Cephus said:
It's not a hidden enemy, they're not hiding, they're right out there in plain sight. The problem with this enemy is that there is no way to differentiate the fighters from the civilians because there are no civilians, everyone is a potential fighter and we don't have the stomach to go in there and blow up every single living human being, man, woman and child, down to the absolutely last one, because if we don't, they'll come back at us from the survivors. This war is different from every other war we have ever fought. We have the mindset that we have to protect the civilians and only kill the combatants and we need to keep giving them the opportunity to stop and sign a treaty. This isn't that war. There are no civilians and there will be no treaty, they must all be completely wiped out, down to the smallest infant and the very act of fighting this war is just going to make more people hate us and become more radicalized. This is a war that will have millions of casualties. That's nothing the American people are willing to deal with.
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Im reminded of an event in the 2nd Iraq war...American forces were taking heavy casualties when patrolling/entering hostile areas from insurgents and a military general asked his translator (who served in saddams army) if he knew any ways to cut down on attacks and the translator immediately answered that if they would just strap a child from the area to the front bumper of the first vehicle to enter the attacks would almost immediately stop. Also, leveling a village that gave a hint of resistance would have a similar effect.

We never did that-we could have but didn't-and so we take the casualties even though there are ways to mitigate them (like fighting as arabs do). Im glad we take the high road but it just means we need to be even more resolute.
 
MMC said:
Putin has been threatened and so has Russia. By ISIS directly. Its all Putin needs. Plus he is Assad's Ally. As is Iran. Syria is their problem.

The French cleaned out Mali, so they can get the help they will need to finish their other problem they help to create. Time for them to call in their markers from those around them. Plus ISIS has threatened to Destroy Rome.

Then to top it off.....ISIS threatened China. Which they can come in and do clean up. They won't care about any Humanitarian abuses.
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Thats the ethnocentric flawed logic of the left. They assume the US is to blame (the US is always the bad guy to the left)-when ISIS targets EVERYONE, including muslim nations.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats the ethnocentric flawed logic of the left. They assume the US is to blame (the US is always the bad guy to the left)-when ISIS targets EVERYONE, including muslim nations.
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Mornin' USC. :2wave: and they will continue to keep killing Muslims. Especially any Shia and now any Sunni that thinks they can Ascend for the mantle of Islam.
 
MMC said:
Mornin' USC. :2wave: and they will continue to keep killing Muslims. Especially any Shia and now any Sunni that thinks they can Ascend for the mantle of Islam.
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Indeed. The only question is why the left continues to not even name radical islam as the problem.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats the ethnocentric flawed logic of the left. They assume the US is to blame (the US is always the bad guy to the left)-when ISIS targets EVERYONE, including muslim nations.
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Yeah many of them do.....they haven't picked up on the concept of, Evil flourishes and creates more chaos, only when Good men and women do nothing to stop it.
 
US Conservative said:
Justice, leftist style is no justice at all. And they see EVERYTHING through those rose colored glasses.
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It is 'justice' of convenience.

Obama did NOT want there to be terrorists in Libya, so instead of delivering the alleged might of the US military to the Assassins of Americans, he lamely promised an FBI investigation......and no one paused to think of the implications.

"Achmed, is it true Allah has blessed you with the blood of American diplomats and you live free?! I bet we all can, let's behead some children now."

Obama does not want there to be an "illegals" problem, but like eliminating terrorists, he changes the vocabulary..."un documenteds" don't have to be arested and shipped back.

Problem solved Obama style.

Not even the scum dwelling socialists in Canada are that dishonest. They may mess with the definition of "homeless" and such, but not enforcing laws is ....

wait...the NDP here learns from you guys.....
 
US Conservative said:
Good post. I agree. From time to time I will go to liveleak and watch some videos from the region, many are propaganda and they are ugly indeed. Watching them removes all doubt about who these people are, and leaves me with the impression of what it will take to stop them.

And that wont be sunshine and rainbows.
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No, it should be as ugly as hell...

But what I suggest is rather radical...

You attack the money flow. Give the international community the power to seize the assets of banks who allow trade with terrorists groups, sanction every ****ing nation that supports them...take the Bush doctrine to the stratosphere with legal roadblocks etc.

You attack, with military force, anyone selling arms to terrorists....as legal war based combatants.

Then back off the shootin' war, hit 'em where it hurts. The more I think about it there is a parallel between Islamic terrorism and the 1920's and 30's mafia. They could never shoot it out with Al Capone and co., so they went after the money. It was cash then and easy to hide, not so today.


Why hasn't it happened? Why did Bush unveil such a consolidated plan and then simply make war badly?

I can only suspect.
 
US Conservative said:
Indeed. The only question is why the left continues to not even name radical islam as the problem.
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Why does the right refuse to acknowledge that books don't kill people?
 
matchlight said:
Unbelievers in lands conquered by Muslims, if they are "people of the book"--i.e. Christians or Jews--may be allowed to live as part of a sort of pariah caste called dhimmis. To do this, they have to pay a tax called the jizya. This obligation fattens the caliph's coffers a little, but it serves mainly as a sign these poor bastards accept their submissive, degraded status as dhimmis. Reliance of the Traveler, the authoritative 14th-century text setting out the rules of shari'ah, describes all this in detail. It also lists a number of other restrictions on the rights of dhimmis, and some are pretty severe. About the only thing to console a dhimmi would be that unlike true Muslims, he would still be allowed to use alcohol.
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While it's a given that governments based on Islam (or any religion) are not ideal, jizya was not meant to be a way to oppress non-Muslims. Zakat, the tax that Muslims have to pay but non-Muslims don't, is supposed to be the same amount as jizya at a minimum.
 
ISIS and conservatives have a similar message.
 
MadLib said:
While it's a given that governments based on Islam (or any religion) are not ideal, jizya was not meant to be a way to oppress non-Muslims.
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Really? This is section 0.9.8 of Reliance of the Traveller, the 14th century text that is as complete, detailed, and official a statement of shari'ah as there is.


THE OBJECTIVES OF JIHAD

The Caliph makes war upon Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians (provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)--which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself--while remaining in their ancestral religions) and the war continues until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden--who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book--until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled." (Koran 9:29) (final italics mine)


Zakat, the tax that Muslims have to pay but non-Muslims don't, is supposed to be the same amount as jizya at a minimum
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Section o11.4 of Reliance of the Traveller says that

"The minimum non-Muslim poll tax is one dinar (4.235 grams of gold) per person per year. The maximum is whatever both sides agree upon."

Somehow I imagine the bargaining power of the two sides in determining the maximum is not quite even.

I notice that you don't mention that section h.17 makes one of the eight categories of recipients among which believers are obligated to distribute their zakat "those fighting for Allah, meaning people engaged in Islamic military operations for whom no salary has been allotted in the army roster (but who are volunteers for jihad without remuneration). They are given enough to suffice them for the operation, even if affluent . . . ."
 
Deuce said:
Why does the right refuse to acknowledge that books don't kill people?
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What does a book have to do with Radical Islam? What if they have pics of Mohammad?
 
US Conservative said:
Indeed. The only question is why the left continues to not even name radical islam as the problem.
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This is actually something new for them.

When it was 911 and Al-Qaeda "terrorist" and "Islamic radical" were the rice of the leftist meal, trying to lay blame for the event on Bush. Now, Obama has a peace prize, has apologized to the Arab and Muslim world and interfered in several regime changes; enough that he should be able to claim actual rights to that now embarrassing prize [after AL Gore, Jimmy Carter and Obama it has as much meaning as a blue ribbon in fair with one entrant].

But he cannot justify this claim of success so necessary to his "legacy" now that every other thing he's touched has turned to pillars of salt.

What is interesting is how fast the "stupid voters" pick up on the new monologue, a rather Orwellian shift from "enemies" to some kind of generic threat that cannot use any term suggesting Islam is involved.

It's an amazing dance and proof to me Obama is a sociopath. On the one hand he is saying, in effect, there is no radical Islam while at the same time claiming credit for killing them.

How anyone cannot be a Muslim because they kill other Muslims is not a logic at all...

It's just plain lying
 
reinoe said:
ISIS and conservatives have a similar message.
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As crazy as this message appears to be.... when thought about a certain way I came to the conclusion that there IS a very small bit of truth to it.

Shariah Law, we can all agree, is a legal system that places a high emphasis on Religious Social issues, making them law.

The Christian right wants to do something similar in the U.S. They would envision enacting laws that are based upon their own religious social values, making them law, and thus making those who do not share their values forced to live by their ways.


However, how the two groups choose to attempt to enact their policies, are two different animals entirely, and not even comparable.



Just my two cents.
 
Caine said:
As crazy as this message appears to be.... when thought about a certain way I came to the conclusion that there IS a very small bit of truth to it.

Shariah Law, we can all agree, is a legal system that places a high emphasis on Religious Social issues, making them law.

The Christian right wants to do something similar in the U.S. They would envision enacting laws that are based upon their own religious social values, making them law, and thus making those who do not share their values forced to live by their ways.


However, how the two groups choose to attempt to enact their policies, are two different animals entirely, and not even comparable.


Just my two cents.
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The Christian Right are not conservatives, they are self-identified neo-conservatives, a wholly different thing. It is clear that the Christian Right is just as fanatical as the radical Muslims, they're just kept from acting on it by the secular society in which they exist.
 
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