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Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

tres borrachos said:
Do corporations require their employees to pay dues that are transformed into political contributions to candidates? My understanding is that union donations are paycheck deductions. I'm not aware of corporations that are deducting funds from their employees' paychecks for political contributions.
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But companies donate money/earnings to candidates that would otherwise benefit shareholders, and shareholders get the same "vote" where those donations go as union members. A majority of shareholders select board members, who appoint officers, etc.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
Pot, Kettle.

Liberals ignore every shred of evidence on every important issue there is.
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I'm sorry...I did not see you comment on the Princeton study.

....so you were saying......?
 
JasperL said:
But companies donate money/earnings to candidates that would otherwise benefit shareholders, and shareholders get the same "vote" where those donations go as union members. A majority of shareholders select board members, who appoint officers, etc.
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What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?
 
Hard Truth said:
Claiming that Soros spends as much as the Kochs is not a good argument against doing something about the disproportionate amount of political influence the extremely rich can buy.
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So the Koch brothers shouldn't invest 389 million of their money into the political campaign on principle while the left welcomes their big donors? yeah right. Look, Koch brothers didn't become a bad name for the left until 2012 when the Koch brothers stopped donating to Democrats. Up to that point they played it like any other big corporation hedging their bets giving to both sides all the way up to the presidential campaigns down to the local races.

This is the hand everyone has been dealt. Let the games begin.
 
tres borrachos said:
What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?
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Any company making a political donation or paying for lobbyists is using its earnings for that purpose, or maybe adding to losses, same difference. I guess I don't understand the question.
 
rocket88 said:
Ah, so money is only bad when Democrats spend it. Gotcha.
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No it means its hypocritical for the left to complain about the Koch brothers political donations to Republican candidates.
 
vesper said:
So the Koch brothers shouldn't invest 389 million of their money into the political campaign on principle while the left welcomes their big donors? yeah right. Look, Koch brothers didn't become a bad name for the left until 2012 when the Koch brothers stopped donating to Democrats. Up to that point they played it like any other big corporation hedging their bets giving to both sides all the way up to the presidential campaigns down to the local races.

This is the hand everyone has been dealt. Let the games begin.
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That's been alleged several times, and each time it has the 'left' participating in this discussion points out we're concerned about ALL big donors. We don't support a political world of dueling billionaires. Rules that apply to the Koch brothers should apply to Soros, NRA and unions, Buffett and Adelson, Gates and Dimon, etc.
 
JasperL said:
Any company making a political donation or paying for lobbyists is using its earnings for that purpose, or maybe adding to losses, same difference. I guess I don't understand the question.
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You seriously don't know that say Goldman Sachs doesn't cut a check to a candidate, and that the "donations from Goldman Sachs" that are tracked and logged are donations from their employees or their PACs, and these are not funds that would otherwise have been invested back in the business or shared with the stockholders?

OMG please stop posting to me.
 
tres borrachos said:
You seriously don't know that say Goldman Sachs doesn't cut a check to a candidate, and that the "donations from Goldman Sachs" that are tracked and logged are donations from their employees or their PACs, and these are not funds that would otherwise have been invested back in the business or shared with the stockholders?

OMG please stop posting to me.
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You seriously don't know that corporations are not prohibited from making all manner of indirect contributions, that the case of Citizens United expressly allowed them to spend/donate unlimited sums to the Chamber of Commerce, AFP, etc. and to spend billions directly lobbying for legislation, etc.?

BTW, I'm really not sure why you're being so rude. It's probably easier to have a civil discussion - no need to be insulting.
 
disneydude said:
Choosing a President is a little more important than choosing peanut butter. We are already influenced by China and other countries over the products we purchased. Do you want to allow them to buy our Presidency as well?
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Well, money is freedom of speech, be prepared for bombardment of the air waves by the republican party. It'll be drill baby drill.
 
Fenton said:
The Government can raise wages but they have no control over the unintended consequences ( actually I think Obama knows its economically detrimental to raise the minimum wage ) of arbitrary cost increases on Businesses and consumers.

When Businesses react to the arbitrary and forced cost increases by laying off or raising the prices of their Goods snd services the left just ignores it outright, or blames it on someone else.

When huge tax increases drive out wealth and prosperity and jobs and industries they blame it on the " free market " or the evil greedy rich.

Lol...France elected a idiot Socialist who raised taxes on the wealthy to punitive levels. Imagine, in our highly technical world where huge amounts of wealth can be pushed around from account to account at the click of a button, Hollande actually thought these guys were going to sit there and take it.

Whar a moron

Progressives put value on intent, not on results. When results of their foolish initiatives DO show up they ignore the or blame someone else.

And when those unintended consequences show up they usually wind up hurting the people rhe left pretends to represent the mist.
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Your argument seems to be "greater equality won't work because the currently advantaged will fight back."

That strikes me as cowardice.
 
Unrepresented said:
Charles Koch Foundation: An Income Of $34,000 Puts You In The Wealthiest 1 Percent (VIDEO)

There's the ad, and an article on it. Feel free to interpret it as you'd like.
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How much should the poor make? Obviously you don't want to address personal responsibility which is also a bedrock principle of the US. But let's drop that for a minute and ask how much should they make? You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always. Do you believe that we can get down to zero poor people? BTW, our poor people are way better off than the poor in Ethiopia, one of the countries discussed in the video.
 
ocean515 said:
:shock:

:lamo

God I love it when kids throw down the prove it crap. It underscores the abject laziness to provide for themselves.

Union membership

Union membership shrinks to 11.3% of workers

14 million or so members


How many registered Republican voters are there in the US

55 million

I win.

:2party:
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It is not correct to claim that all Republicans agree with the Koch's agenda. Very few of them contributed to their organizations. Republicans in general have no input into the policies of the Koch funded organizations, but union members have the ability to vote for their union representatives and major policy decisions.
 
SheWolf said:
That is not what capitalism is. :lamo

Capitalism is not about a select group of people financially influencing the government to write favorable legislation, and expecting taxpayers to payoff and subsidize all financial losses caused by their bad investments and business decisions.
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Interested parties always try to influence legislation. Nothing new or menacing about that.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....sorry...but cherry picking a few people that hold that opinion doesn't make it so. The concept of "liberal" media is nothing more than a creation of Fox News to justify their far-right propaganda machine.
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Keep up the denial.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is not correct to claim that all Republicans agree with the Koch's agenda. Very few of them contributed to their organizations. Republicans in general have no input into the policies of the Koch funded organizations, but union members have the ability to vote for their union representatives and major policy decisions.
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Prove they don't. Show the link to your claims. Provide the numbers and a link to them if you know better.
 
tres borrachos said:
What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?
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Listed by rank, here are the biggest corporate donors, excluding industry organizations (which are also funded by corporations):
1 AT&T

3 Goldman Sachs

5 Citigroup

8 United Parcel Service

9 Altria

13 Microsoft

14 JPMorgan Chase

15 Time Warner

16 Morgan Stanley

17 Verizon

18 Lockheed Martin

19 General Electric

20 Pfizer

Much more info is available at Capitol Hill's Top 75 Corporate Sponsors | Mother Jones
 
American said:
...You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always....
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I agree, that as the poor acquire more dollars, they consume more, and the owners of the means of production become rich.

And what's the problem with that? Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
 
American said:
How much should the poor make? Obviously you don't want to address personal responsibility which is also a bedrock principle of the US. But let's drop that for a minute and ask how much should they make? You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always. Do you believe that we can get down to zero poor people? BTW, our poor people are way better off than the poor in Ethiopia, one of the countries discussed in the video.
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It's my personal responsibility to advocate greater equality for my fellow citizens.
 
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