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On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E.

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US Conservative said:
I propose only that we protect our own best interests, including from a security perspective. This is why we should go back in.
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What could they do?

What?

More over if they mess with us, just drone them the ever loving hell out of them, that is all your need to do.

Secure the border, reduce Islamic Immigration, and we should be good.
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
What could they do?

What?

More over if they mess with us, just drone them the ever loving hell out of them, that is all your need to do.

Secure the border, reduce Islamic Immigration, and we should be good.
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They impact our interests overseas. Oil. Our allies security. Our long term geopolitical allies in the region. Radical islam is a cancer and it needs to be treated like a highly invasive cancer-excised. Even the best drone program is ineffective without ground forces-thats what we are seeing in Iraq now.
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
I say we send in both of them, alone, and unarmed..

To hell with both of them.
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As long as the Democrats will come out and start representing their people rather than carry BO peeps water. Then it a very good thing. Keep the Democrats up in the face of the MS media. Whether the MS media likes it or not. Tell them get use to their new future.
 
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ISIS cannot survive without constant war. They need to pull the West into more direct combat in order to thrive as an organization. ISIS has no actual means of maintaining a society in the land they seize. All they do is prep for more combat.

ISIS is playing the West for fools. Look at how quickly everyone jumped to action once the beheadings started. They didn't even need to crash planes into buildings this time. It's taking less and less to get the hawks riled up.
 
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Amadeus said:
ISIS cannot survive without constant war. They need to pull the West into more direct combat in order to thrive as an organization. ISIS has no actual means of maintaining a society in the land they seize. All they do is prep for more combat.

ISIS is playing the West for fools. Look at how quickly everyone jumped to action once the beheadings started. They didn't even need to crash planes into buildings this time. It's taking less and less to get the hawks riled up.
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Continue to appease them, we are going to go in.
 
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US Conservative said:
Continue to appease them, we are going to go in.
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You're not going in, but you're happy to send other Americans in while simultaneously refusing to share any burden. That's why war is easy for you. Of course you'll send other people in. There is no consequence to you personally.
 
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Amadeus said:
You're not going in, but you're happy to send other Americans in while simultaneously refusing to share any burden. That's why war is easy for you. Of course you'll send other people in. There is no consequence to you personally.
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Cool story bro.
 
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US Conservative said:
Cool story bro.
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It's not a story, it's a fact. You're pro-war because you have no skin in the game. They should bring back the draft specifically for people like you.
 
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Amadeus said:
It's not a story, it's a fact. You're pro-war because you have no skin in the game. They should bring back the draft specifically for people like you.
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Hows that crystal ball with the cracks work with those who have put skin in the game? Can you tell us what he is he thinking now, at this very moment too?

Cmon......tell me, what am I thinking of, Right at this moment.
 
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Amadeus said:
It's not a story, it's a fact. You're pro-war because you have no skin in the game. They should bring back the draft specifically for people like you.
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By this logic only tax payers should vote. :2wave:
 
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US Conservative said:
By this logic only tax payers should vote. :2wave:
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If you think that human lives are an expendable government resource.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats not what I think. But some things are worth fighting for.
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Says the hawk typing from the safety of his home computer.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats nice. But thats not what Im supporting-we need to go in there and kill each and every terrorist and make it known that that is the new policy from here out.
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We ARE the terrorists! We funded and armed Al Qeda. WE have been funding
Islamic fundamentalists and providing arms and training. The USA calls them
"moderates" when yesterday they were call AQ and terrorists. Our War of Terror
is operated by the Military Industrial Complex for profit. Same as the War on Drugs.
Look at Libya, fer Krissakes, and remember that the rabble screwing that Nation up
is our rabble. Hell, we even have our own CIA General Hafter aspiring to a leadership
position in that Nation. Now that they have robbed that bank for $100 billion, maybe
he'll be able to buy more "moderate" Islamic Fundamentalists, don't you think? Has
he already negotiated his OIL deal with Chevron and ExxonMobil?
 
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DaveFagan said:
We ARE the terrorists! We funded and armed Al Qeda. WE have been funding
Islamic fundamentalists and providing arms and training. The USA calls them
"moderates" when yesterday they were call AQ and terrorists. Our War of Terror
is operated by the Military Industrial Complex for profit. Same as the War on Drugs.
Look at Libya, fer Krissakes, and remember that the rabble screwing that Nation up
is our rabble. Hell, we even have our own CIA General Hafter aspiring to a leadership
position in that Nation. Now that they have robbed that bank for $100 billion, maybe
he'll be able to buy more "moderate" Islamic Fundamentalists, don't you think? Has
he already negotiated his OIL deal with Chevron and ExxonMobil?
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If you can't see the difference between us and the terrorists, I dont think theres much to discuss.
 
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US Conservative said:
We will see what happens, can't predict the future-except to say that pulling out before we should helps terrorists.
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how much more in taxes are you willing to pay in order to fund the perpetual war?
 
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Helix said:
how much more in taxes are you willing to pay in order to fund the perpetual war?
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I reject that its perpetual (do you know what that word means) and I lol at the irony of a lefty suddenly feigning fiscal responsibility.
We are going back in, the only question is when-and the longer we wait-the worse it will be.
 
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US Conservative said:
I reject that its perpetual (do you know what that word means) and I lol at the irony of a lefty suddenly feigning fiscal responsibility.
We are going back in, the only question is when-and the longer we wait-the worse it will be.
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so in other words, you're willing to pay zero dollars in additional taxes to fund the perpetual state of war and long term occupation. i figured that's why i had to ask you three times to get that non-answer.

back in the day, they used to have wartime tax rates. i think that we should go back to that system, and the increases should be significant. shared sacrifice. i would guess that policy might make a lot of people more hesitant in supporting a constant state of war.
 
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US Conservative said:
I reject that its perpetual (do you know what that word means) and I lol at the irony of a lefty suddenly feigning fiscal responsibility.
We are going back in, the only question is when-and the longer we wait-the worse it will be.
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I don't care how long we wait if going back in means we lose hundreds or thousands more of our young men and women for a poorly defined mission that nobody will know when or if we have accomplished it. We Americans simply have to stop doing that. The cost in blood and treasure is simply unconscionable.

If we are going to go to war, let's declare it. And let's go with overwhelming force and do whatever we have to do to achieve unconditional surrender. And then give whoever we conquered their country back after they have set up a government and policies to our liking. If there is no way to do that, we shouldn't go at all. The terrorists have infinite time and infinite patience. All they have to do is hide out until the American people once again become too war weary to continue and so we don't finish anything. We just stop fighting the war. We've been doing that since Korea. And utlimately we leave divided countries or situations little or no better than they were to begin with.

And I sure as heck am no lefty. :)
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I don't care how long we wait if going back in means we lose hundreds or thousands more of our young men and women for a poorly defined mission that nobody will know when or if we have accomplished it. We Americans simply have to stop doing that. The cost in blood and treasure is simply unconscionable.

If we are going to go to war, let's declare it. And let's go with overwhelming force and do whatever we have to do to achieve unconditional surrender. And then give whoever we conquered their country back after they have set up a government and policies to our liking. If there is no way to do that, we shouldn't go at all. The terrorists have infinite time and infinite patience. All they have to do is hide out until the American people once again become too war weary to continue and so we don't finish anything. We just stop fighting the war. We've been doing that since Korea. And utlimately we leave divided countries or situations little or no better than they were to begin with.

And I sure as heck am no lefty. :)
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Im saying thats what we are going to need to do-go in balls deep. The current POTUS is pretending the war in Iraq is over, its not-in fact its grown.

When we tell our enemies when we are leaving this type of thing happens. Obama ceded Iraq to ISIS and Iran.

Like I said-we are going in, its just a matter of time.
 
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US Conservative said:
Im saying thats what we are going to need to do-go in balls deep. The current POTUS is pretending the war in Iraq is over, its not-in fact its grown.

When we tell our enemies when we are leaving this type of thing happens. Obama ceded Iraq to ISIS and Iran.

Like I said-we are going in, its just a matter of time.
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You're probably right that we'll go in, but unless something seriously changes in Washington, we won't go in 'balls deep'. We'll go in half-assed and with no clear mission as we have done in every war since WWII. Just imagine if Truman and the 81st Congress had been willing to do that. What if in 1950 we had joined with our allies and gone in with overwhelming force and had achieved unconditional surrender in North Korea and forced it into a peaceful republic as we did in Germany and Japan. Instead of a divided Korea and a dangerous Kim Jong-un and a totalitarian 'communist' government who are our sworn enemies since the late 1940's, we would likely have a unified Korea, ally, and trading partner as we do now with Germany and Japan.

Every time since Korea and beyond that we have engaged in military action but have not fought a war to complete surrender, we have left enemies and chaos in our wake. It is time we stop doing that.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
You're probably right that we'll go in, but unless something seriously changes in Washington, we won't go in 'balls deep'. We'll go in half-assed and with no clear mission as we have done in every war since WWII. Just imagine if Truman and the 81st Congress had been willing to do that. What if in 1950 we had joined with our allies and gone in with overwhelming force and had achieved unconditional surrender in North Korea and forced it into a peaceful republic as we did in Germany and Japan. Instead of a divided Korea and a dangerous Kim Jong-un and a totalitarian 'communist' government who are our sworn enemies since the late 1940's, we would likely have a unified Korea, ally, and trading partner as we do now with Germany and Japan.

Every time since Korea and beyond that we have engaged in military action but have not fought a war to complete surrender, we have left enemies and chaos in our wake. It is time we stop doing that.
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Unfortunately, we just don't have the balls for it, it comes part and parcel with the liberalization of American society. We've spent 50 years becoming a culture of ******s that refuse to do the job that needs to be done and I don't think there's any going back now. If 9/11 didn't make us willing to go in balls deep, nothing will.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
You're probably right that we'll go in, but unless something seriously changes in Washington, we won't go in 'balls deep'. We'll go in half-assed and with no clear mission as we have done in every war since WWII. Just imagine if Truman and the 81st Congress had been willing to do that. What if in 1950 we had joined with our allies and gone in with overwhelming force and had achieved unconditional surrender in North Korea and forced it into a peaceful republic as we did in Germany and Japan. Instead of a divided Korea and a dangerous Kim Jong-un and a totalitarian 'communist' government who are our sworn enemies since the late 1940's, we would likely have a unified Korea, ally, and trading partner as we do now with Germany and Japan.

Every time since Korea and beyond that we have engaged in military action but have not fought a war to complete surrender, we have left enemies and chaos in our wake. It is time we stop doing that.
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Korea was bumbled for several reasons, including an idiotic (but new) UN. We underestimated the communist threat until we were at bayonet range.

In Vietnam, we were slow to adapt to counter insurgency techniques-and after a largely political loss, the military essentially burned the manual on coin warfare.

Throughout the cold war-we focused on conventional enemies, and excepting gulf war 1, we never really saw that.

By 9/11 we still hadn't really changed...and we found ourself in a new (to the current generation) type of war, low intensity, asymmetric, coin. Our drones decimated AQ in Afghanistan (still a striking achievement-even as Obama squanders that victory) and probably prevented us from invading Pakistan.

My point is we have made huge advancements in the last 14+ years. This type of conflict wont be going away in the foreseeable future (coin), we need to get very good at it now (while retaining the ability to strike conventionally in other conflicts) to prevent us from having to constantly fight these conflicts in the future.

If you have the time, this segment is excellent-the best weapon right now isnt a bomb or missile-its a knife-we need to have a committed force on the ground that knows who its fighting-that knows the local conditions, thats let both our enemies and friends know its better in the long run to side with us. And we need to establish that we are there for the duration-when we constrain ourselves to deadlines-we are saying we aren't really serious.



Regardless of how you or I feel-this conflict isn't going away-we can either commit to it now, or commit to it later for a dearer price.
 
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Fletch said:
Do they? Why would anyone want that?
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I can't believe you would say that after Iraq. Nothing helps the cause of jihad like 1000's of infidels invading Muslim nations.
 
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