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New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

beerftw said:
if you fear a power outage,i wonder what backups could work in your arfea.if you live in an apartment,a generator is a nogo,unless you want to suspend it outside the window to avoid carbon monoxide.a solar panel wont work because of cloud coverage plus snow blocking the panel.i guess you could have a battery bank charged by solar and use it when power goes out conservatively,or one of though wall charge jump start/power supple boxes with built in inverters.


but in all prepperness,people in the northeast big cities are kinda screwed,most backup power supplies arent viable and those that are arent viable in an urban environment.
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get a deep cycle marine battery, like on diesel boats and yachts. those will give a few hours of power for radios and some electric heat sources. of course a space heater will eat power quickly, but if you can use one to power say a pellet stove (although you're unlikely to see those in an apartment unit) it will last longer.

best trick, I learned this from driving truck, get a wide candle, cut it so its short, put it in a coffee can (like a the old tin/aluminum Yuban cans) put up 5 or 6 of those should heat a bed room in an apartment building.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Best wishes for everyone up there, the weather outlook reports are worrisome.
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Greetings, OrphanSlug. :2wave:

I'm in NE Ohio, about a 40 minute drive to the Pennsylvania border, and just in the past hour, we have had about six inches of snow fall, and it's windy and still snowing hard with strong winds and really piling up! The storm area must be larger than they indicated on TV, and we are getting "alerts," but hopefully if we are just on the fringes of this monster, we won't get the two to three feet of snow that New York is expecting. I hope we don't lose power, cause it's 21 degrees here. I don't know when they'll get around to plowing our little street - they're trying to keep the main streets and highways as clear as they can...I guess I won't be going anywhere tomorrow! :shock:
 
beerftw said:
if you fear a power outage,i wonder what backups could work in your arfea.if you live in an apartment,a generator is a nogo,unless you want to suspend it outside the window to avoid carbon monoxide.a solar panel wont work because of cloud coverage plus snow blocking the panel.i guess you could have a battery bank charged by solar and use it when power goes out conservatively,or one of though wall charge jump start/power supple boxes with built in inverters.


but in all prepperness,people in the northeast big cities are kinda screwed,most backup power supplies arent viable and those that are arent viable in an urban environment.
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I live at the border of suburbia and cow country. My neighbor has a generator and he lets me hook into it for the essentials like a couple of lights, and the fridge but there's no internet or cable or any of the other goodies that use electricity when the lines go down.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
that's the problem for us Western Washingtonians Lursa, we never have bad weather like this.

I keep my survival gear and emergency supplies stocked, then I end up having to replace them without ever using them.

I mean the worst we had was that windstorm 9 years ago. and that only cut power for two days... I'm really praying hard for a massive dumping snow storm while I'm off and at home....
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What? I have had 16 inches of snow and no power for 3 days.

I have lived in a suburb and had no power for 8 days. In December.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
get a deep cycle marine battery, like on diesel boats and yachts. those will give a few hours of power for radios and some electric heat sources. of course a space heater will eat power quickly, but if you can use one to power say a pellet stove (although you're unlikely to see those in an apartment unit) it will last longer.

best trick, I learned this from driving truck, get a wide candle, cut it so its short, put it in a coffee can (like a the old tin/aluminum Yuban cans) put up 5 or 6 of those should heat a bed room in an apartment building.
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never thought of putting candles in a coffee can for heating.

i knew about deep cycle batteries,but in a snowstorm they will dry up quickly without something like a solar power source to charge them,even using the bare essentuals.down south we have tornados floods etc but when power goes out,we can fire up a generator and run the cord through a window,something urban people living in apartments cant do unless they have a balcony.


i feel really bad for anyone there who relies on electric space heaters for part or all of their heating.
 
Lursa said:
What? I have had 16 inches of snow and no power for 3 days.

I have lived in a suburb and had no power for 8 days. In December.
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where in the hell do you live? I don't consider the top of White Pass to be a suburb?

I have never had 16 inches of snow, ever.

you must live on the 90 corridor out up in the mountains, or SR-18 past Covington somewhere....

down here on the Penninsula the worst we've had in my lifetime is like 8 inches.... and that's very rare...
 
sangha said:
It takes a high level of obtuseness to think that people were whining about tuna fish and peanut butter after Hurricane Sandy when what they were upset about was their homes being destroyed, or not having heat and electricity and not being able to buy gas for their generators
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No. People in NYC were whining that they had no food and it took the *government* days to get them water and they were "dying'. That the govt 'dropped the ball' and 'didnt care about them.' And they had plenty of notice.

I have family all over NYC, New York State, and NJ, including the shore, not to mention almost everyone I went to high school with. NONE of them sounded like this and some DID lose alot more.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
well you build in a storm prone area you take the risk of getting your house blown away... I keep wondering why we need billion dollar recovery bills to bail out people who didn't insure their junk. everything I own is insured, my insurance, combined car, renters, and firearm rider is like 80 bucks a month.... cut out the cigarettes and 40 ounce malt liquors and you can afford that...

it's like those of us who live in mild climates, like here in the PNW pay taxes to subsidize people who live in dangerprone areas and they won't even buy an 80 dollar insurance policy...
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You have no idea what you are talking about in the NY/NJ metro area.

And the same can be said about here....building in landslide-prone areas. Building in identified earthquake zones. Who do you think will be subsidizing the millions here in the NW when 'the big one comes?'
 
I wish we could send all that snow to California where it could do some good.

Our ski resorts are closing already, in late January. We should have anywhere from four to ten feet on the ground depending on latitude and elevation, but the ground is bare in most of the Sierra.
 
beerftw said:
never thought of putting candles in a coffee can for heating.

i knew about deep cycle batteries,but in a snowstorm they will dry up quickly without something like a solar power source to charge them,even using the bare essentuals.down south we have tornados floods etc but when power goes out,we can fire up a generator and run the cord through a window,something urban people living in apartments cant do unless they have a balcony.


i feel really bad for anyone there who relies on electric space heaters for part or all of their heating.
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just make sure you have enough candle. it won't make a large room warm and cozy, but it will heat maybe up to 60 degrees depending on the space you're heating, how well it's insulated, etc. so it will keep you warm enough to survive.
 
sangha said:
everything of yours is insured? Why, that's awesome!!!

But if you ever lose your house in a natural disaster, the insurance will help you get back in a home, but not in the days immediatelly following the disaster.
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If you dont have earthquake insurance here, and you lose your home in an earthquake, you are SOL.
 
Lursa said:
No. People in NYC were whining that they had no food and it took the *government* days to get them water and they were "dying'. That the govt 'dropped the ball' and 'didnt care about them.' And they had plenty of notice.

I have family all over NYC, New York State, and NJ, including the shore, not to mention almost everyone I went to high school with. NONE of them sounded like this and some DID lose alot more.
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Your claims are delusional.

The people with no food and water were those who lost their homes (you know, the places where they kept their food)

Lursa said:
If you dont have earthquake insurance here, and you lose your home in an earthquake, you are SOL.
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In the days right after an earthquake (or any other natural disaster) where many people lose their homes, it doesn't matter if you're insured or not. Either way, you're ****ed - it's just a matter of how ****ed you are
 
EMNofSeattle said:
everything that costs a lot to replace anyway.

I have 1800 dollars of firearms insured, my electronics insured, my car insured, and my home furishings insured, I hope my landlord has insurance in the building I'm living in, but I have cash reserves to get out of dodge and rent a hotel for a few nights. and friends and relatives who live all over the western US. if a massive storm came off of the pacific or a rock slide off of Vancouver island makes a tsunami, I'll go chill wit mah cuz in Kalispell MT for a week, or my coworker in Fontana, CA or something...
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Ah, you dont own your home. Well, you will be on the road with possibly hundreds of thousands of others. Good luck with the traffic and being willing to pay $800 a nite for any accomodations available...in cash.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
get a deep cycle marine battery, like on diesel boats and yachts. those will give a few hours of power for radios and some electric heat sources. of course a space heater will eat power quickly, but if you can use one to power say a pellet stove (although you're unlikely to see those in an apartment unit) it will last longer.

best trick, I learned this from driving truck, get a wide candle, cut it so its short, put it in a coffee can (like a the old tin/aluminum Yuban cans) put up 5 or 6 of those should heat a bed room in an apartment building.
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There is tons of (better) info like that on the Internet. And lots of people are alot better prepared. Your posts are pretty glib and show a rather shallow grasp of the realities of a true disaster.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
where in the hell do you live? I don't consider the top of White Pass to be a suburb?

I have never had 16 inches of snow, ever.

you must live on the 90 corridor out up in the mountains, or SR-18 past Covington somewhere....

down here on the Penninsula the worst we've had in my lifetime is like 8 inches.... and that's very rare...
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Nope. Snohomish county. 3 yrs ago. 16 inches. Less than an hr from Seattle. Had 22 inches a year or 2 before that. And not remotely...in a remote area or near a pass.

And when I lived in Woodinville, we didnt have power for 8 days after that December windstorm. It wasnt a secret...we werent even the last to get power.
 
Lursa said:
There is tons of (better) info like that on the Internet. And lots of people are alot better prepared. Your posts are pretty glib and show a rather shallow grasp of the realities of a true disaster.
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Because everything on the internet is true.
 
sangha said:
Your claims are delusional.

The people with no food and water were those who lost their homes (you know, the places where they kept their food)
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Yes, you're right. I imagined the interviews on the news. They were people living in NYC.
 
SMTA said:
Because everything on the internet is true.
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Dude, check out any prepper site. Even the basics are better than most of what I saw posted here.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
just make sure you have enough candle. it won't make a large room warm and cozy, but it will heat maybe up to 60 degrees depending on the space you're heating, how well it's insulated, etc. so it will keep you warm enough to survive.
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Decent long underwear, esp. fleece, and down quilts will keep you just as warm. And are alot safer.
 
Lursa said:
If you dont have earthquake insurance here, and you lose your home in an earthquake, you are SOL.
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Earthquake insurance is not an option if you live in a brick house.
 
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