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Group says 'American Sniper' film spurs threats against Muslims

Which battlefields were you at? I was in Afghanistan, does that mean my opinion is much more qualified than Lizzie's? I read the book and watched the movie, and while Chris Kyle was religious, it in no way seemed to be the driving motivation behind his actions. His actions seemed to be driven by being a red blooded alpha male whose job it was to enact violence on our behalf, and that he did very well.

I think both wars were a tremendous mistake, but making **** up just to smear soldiers is kind of lame, isn't it? This isn't a Christian jihad.

I agree...I think one issue with heroes now-a-days is that we learn much more than ever about their lives and their opinions. Nobody is perfect, nobody is going to exude 100% purity, Chris Kyle was a war hero. That's it. His outside life and what he believed as a civilian shouldn't really damage his legacy of what he did overseas.
 
I agree...I think one issue with heroes now-a-days is that we learn much more than ever about their lives and their opinions. Nobody is perfect, nobody is going to exude 100% purity, Chris Kyle was a war hero. That's it. His outside life and what he believed as a civilian shouldn't really damage his legacy of what he did overseas.

I agree with you on that as well. It's been easy to deify people throughout history because we only see the bullet points of their lives and not the messy intimate details. People don't seem to realize that the things they're criticizing Kyle for are pretty standard personality types for red blooded, alpha male, combat arms types. Everyone in combat arms has at least a little bit wrong with them psychologically, otherwise we never would've signed up to do something so insanely ****ing dangerous in the first place.
 
Which battlefields were you at? I was in Afghanistan, does that mean my opinion is much more qualified than Lizzie's? I read the book and watched the movie, and while Chris Kyle was religious, it in no way seemed to be the driving motivation behind his actions. His actions seemed to be driven by being a red blooded alpha male whose job it was to enact violence on our behalf, and that he did very well.

I think both wars were a tremendous mistake, but making **** up just to smear soldiers is kind of lame, isn't it? This isn't a Christian jihad.

I never made it to the middle east, and unlike Lizzie, I have not claimed to have heard statements from soldiers on the battlefield there.

This isn't a Christian jihad? It seems that depends upon who is telling the story. You may not recall but Boykin and Bush made several statements (they were each quickly corrected) about 'crusades'.

Who is smearing soldiers? I am not. My nephew has been over there. I'm thrilled he does not seem to have PTSD.

I've been standing up for our soldiers since this hoax began--get our boys the **** out of there and back home, since Bush began all this.
 
Perhaps those arab americans need to start doing something within their religion to curtail the terrorism. We aren't mad at them. We are mad at what they are a part of. Perhaps they should lift a finger.

Have you lifted a finger?

They are doing the same thing you are doing.

Last I checked they were Americans too....... if you forgot, check the name of their organization in th OP again.
 
Yup. Hopefully someone will remind them that in this country they have the right to voice their opposition because of people like Kyle, and that the makers of the movie have the right to ignore it. They are in the business of making movies, not promoting the agenda of any group. Reality is not always sensitive to the needs of the easily offended.

Pet peeve time..

As a veteran of Iraq myself... its a huge pet peeve of mine to credit those of us veterans of these recent wars as if Americans have rights because of what we did.....

As if we would NOT have rights had these wars not happened.


We would...

These wars, or lack thereof if we did not engage in them, would not have made a dent in the freedoms Americans enjoy.

Lets be realistic please.
 
Have you lifted a finger?

They are doing the same thing you are doing.

Last I checked they were Americans too....... if you forgot, check the name of their organization in th OP again.

Yeah, they're American's....

The Anti-Defamation League criticizes the grassroots leadership of some regional chapters who promote a hard-line stance, and alleges that some ADC chapters have rejected the State of Israel. The ADL alleges that some ADC chapter leaders voice "anti-Semitism", promote genocide, and advocate destruction of the State of Israel. These chapters have organized what ADL called “anti-Israel” rallies and, in California, worked with the Free Palestine Alliance, A.N.S.W.E.R. and Al-Awda (Palestinian right of return) activist groups which the Anti-Defamation League alleges support terrorism.[82] David Bernstein and Gerald M. Steinberg have documented that ADC is "anti-Israel."

American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yeah, they're American's....

Yes. They are.

And... what does Israel have to do with them being Americans?

What does it have to do with the fact that they are expected to do more than other Americans about terrorists for some unknown reason?
 
Yes. They are.

And... what does Israel have to do with them being Americans?

What does it have to do with the fact that they are expected to do more than other Americans about terrorists for some unknown reason?

Do more? I don't think I said that, but think about it...Before we were involved in Germany in WWII there were a fair number of people here in the US that sympathized with the Nazi's too...Look how that turned out...
 
I wonder what would happen if some arab movie maker made a film about a mythical arab sniper taking out westerners one at a time, and portraying them as heathens in the process.

Boy, that would go over like a lead balloon, eh?

I'd probably find it funny.
 
As a matter of fact, they already make those kinds of movies. They have been doing so for more than a decade at this point.

This one, for example:

Valley of the Wolves: Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently glorifies suicide bombers blowing up American troops in Iraq, and features Billy Zane as an EVVVVIIILLL mustache twirling American commander.

Oh wow. The description sounds awesome. So gonna have to see if it's on Neflix or something.
 
Where do you think the culture you live in came from? The pizza, burger, ballet, the beers ..... it came with migrants

Well that's just all sorts of irrelevant.
 
At this point, yeah, that's pretty much what I expect. Adopt victim status, then make demands.

Er....it says they "asked." Very similar to what Bush said after 911, asking people not to take it out on muslims living in America. Nothing wrong with that.

Not sure I ssee how the movie could have that effect, unless the people don't understand the movie. But then we DO have a problem with wackos running around with guns killing people they don't know in public. It's in the news almost every day. And there have been some murders of dark skinned store workers who have been shot by wackos with guns because they thought they were muslim.
 
I wonder what would happen if some arab movie maker made a film about a mythical arab sniper taking out westerners one at a time, and portraying them as heathens in the process.

Boy, that would go over like a lead balloon, eh?

I suspect some wackos with guns here would start killing muslims because of it.
 
I suspect some wackos with guns here would start killing muslims because of it.

No, because have self control unlike, well you know what group I am going to stat does not have self control.
 
What "hateful language directed at U.S. Arabs and Muslims?"

At worst, Kyle is shown refering to insurgents and insurgent sympathizers as being "savages." There are absolutely no instances of the term being used as a racial slur against Muslims or Arabs in general, let alone those living in the United States.

The AA group is saying some individuals are being targeted by Americans because of the movie. That's how I read that, anyway. (BTW, Kyle does refer to the Iraqis a couple of times with derogatory words...savages was one. I forget the other.)
 
Where do you think the culture you live in came from? The pizza, burger, ballet, the beers ..... it came with migrants

3 of them were made even better in America by Americans..

Ballet? No Thank you..Unless it is nude.
 
I never made it to the middle east, and unlike Lizzie, I have not claimed to have heard statements from soldiers on the battlefield there.

This isn't a Christian jihad? It seems that depends upon who is telling the story. You may not recall but Boykin and Bush made several statements (they were each quickly corrected) about 'crusades'.

Who is smearing soldiers? I am not. My nephew has been over there. I'm thrilled he does not seem to have PTSD.

I've been standing up for our soldiers since this hoax began--get our boys the **** out of there and back home, since Bush began all this.

The movie isn't about terrorism. It's about the Iraq War. The people fighting our guys in the movie were Iraqis. Not terrorists.
 
No, because have self control unlike, well you know what group I am going to stat does not have self control.

Oh, I'm not guessing. We already know it. They've been doing it since 911. A movie like that would cause a flare-up. Not that the wackos with guns who kill people in public places need any particular reason. But they would jump on this reason pretty quickly.
 
Oh, I'm not guessing. We already know it. They've been doing it since 911. A movie like that would cause a flare-up. Not that the wackos with guns who kill people in public places need any particular reason. But they would jump on this reason pretty quickly.

Proof that you can link it to this movie?
 
Have you lifted a finger?

I'm not an arab american. I didn't criticize the movie. I have no influence with the religion. I didn't say they weren't americans. I didn't say they couldn't say what they said. I'd be happy to lift a finger. Any ideas?
 
It is rare that people can distinguish between the two--Iraqis and terrorists.

You may recall that we invaded Iraq under the banner of the Global War On Terrorism, and it is still being waged, much to the joy of those in the military industrial complex.

I just read Jonathan Cook's take on the movie today. He has seen it, I have not--only the trailers for me, with all the tear-jerking phone calls between Kyle and his wife.

"The only reason audiences could be raving about American Sniper, ensuring it becomes one of the biggest grossing films in history, is that it closely aligns with the mood of self pity that currently dominates in the US: the sense that those dark-skinned foreigners we tried to liberate were not only evil, but worse, ungrateful too."
 
I'm not an arab american. I didn't criticize the movie. I have no influence with the religion. I didn't say they weren't americans. I didn't say they couldn't say what they said. I'd be happy to lift a finger. Any ideas?

You missed the point of my questions at all.

Why are Arab Americans expected to do more about terrorism than you?

Influence with the religion? That seems kind of silly. As if all Christians share the responsibility for Wesboro Baptist and Abortion Bombings.


EDIT: Oh... and I don't call them criticizing the movie. Just asking those involved in the movie to speak against treating all muslims bad because of it.
 
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You missed the point of my questions at all.

Why are Arab Americans expected to do more about terrorism than you?

Because they can. Terrorism operates under the aegis islam. They are part of islam. I am not. How complicated would you like to make it?
 
Because they can. Terrorism operates under the aegis islam. They are part of islam. I am not. How complicated would you like to make it?

Except of course the majority of Americans who are Arab are in fact christian.



I like how the first amendment is brought up?! and how every time someone mentions they're Americans, J-mac says that they are supposedly Anti-Israel, it seems I have missed the part in the American Oath of Allegiance where all Americans must swear to be subservient to a foreign state else they are not American.


This thread... Jesus.
 
Because they can. Terrorism operates under the aegis islam. They are part of islam. I am not. How complicated would you like to make it?

How can they?

How do they have any more say in Terrorism than you do?

Just because they are part of Islam, that makes them somehow able to do something about Terrorism? How?

Do all christians know one another?

Do all Jews know one another?

No. They don't..

If my friend and a Christian pastor at a baptist church can't do anything about the Abortion Clinic Bombings....He can't do anything about stopping the Westboro Baptist Church from terrorizing veteran families...

How do you think Arab-Americans have any say in Terrorism in another part of the ****ing world from where they live?

I mean... are you even reading what you are typing and using a goddamned brain to think about it for even a second?

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

They go to their local religious meetings, the same as millions of christians do their own local religious meetings. They have jobs, the same as you. They have families, and communities, the same as you.

Islam isn't some special little club where everyone knows everyone.... its the 2nd largest religion on the planet with over 1.6 billion followers.

They can no more band together and stop Terrorists from using Radical Islam as Christians can band together and stop the KKK from using a radical Baptist Christianity for their own purposes.
 
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