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Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

PeteEU said:
Yea it is normal to treat fellow human beings the way Australia treats its refugees... sure.... after all Papa New Guinea is paradise on Earth right?
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It's always someone else's fault, but the terrorists. Huh?
 
apdst said:
I have a better question...wtf is going on within the Muslim community?
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I'm probably wasting my time replying to you as you have already stated publically that you hate Muslims so i doubt very much you really give a crap anyway....

Still, for the benefit of those who are actually interested in what the wider Muslim Community are doing to address extremism i'll use the most recent hostage situation at the hands of an extremist in Sydney recently. Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric, the Grand Mufti, joined Muslim community leaders in condemning the siege. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia even warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack

Muslim community 'shocked' by Sydney cafe siege, say 'misguided' individuals misrepresenting faith - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25780040/australian-muslim-groups-condemn-sydney-cafe-siege/

Australian Muslims condemn 'madman' gunman as #illridewithyou trends | SBS News

"The guy was a total outcast," said Australian Iranian man Yavar Tayebi. "No one in our community, none of the Iranian Shiites, wanted a bar of him."

"You take one look and think, he is an idiot," said Sheik Mousselmani, President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia, who warned Federal Police about Monis in 2008. "Nothing about him added up."
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Sydney’s chief Islamic *funeral director declared no Muslim funeral home would accept the body of Monis and suggested authorities should just dump his corpse at sea or “chuck him in the bloody ****house”.
Then guess what happened? They were criticised by some for that. If they had taken care of the body it would be front page news with claims that they obviously supported him. When they didn't they still copped grief. Damned if you do and damned if you don't with the bigots, nothing will ever please them.
 
Dragonfly said:
Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

Okay.... WTF ????




What in hell's bells is going on down in Australia that leads to this kind of crap????
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What is going down here?

Well it's a magnificent day, the sun is shining, the beaches are magnificent and it's Australia Day tomorrow. Most Australians are just doing their best to get on with their lives and living it. We understand that extremism is a threat, afterall 2002 still weighs heavily in many of our minds.

We're not unique in that we do have stupid and vulnerable people living her too.
 
Goshin said:
There might be something to that. I know some women who love the idea of being dominated by men, but I expect they'd find the reality of Sharia, especially the more drastic forms practiced by ISIS, to be more than they bargained for.
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Vulnerable people are easy targets. There are examples of this everywhere. IS take advantage of that too, just like many others - look at Cults and how they recruit with their idiotic brainwashing.

Prison romances are another example of vulnerable people doing stupid things. Sheila Isenberg wrote an interesting book called "Women Who Love Men Who Kill". It examines the phenomenon of females who enter relationships with convicts who are already behind bars, some who are on death row and many who will never be released. There are even dedicated websites out there where incarcerated men and women seeking relationships can encourage others to send them letters etc and build a relationship that way.
 
Serenity said:
I'm probably wasting my time replying to you as you have already stated publically that you hate Muslims so i doubt very much you really give a crap anyway....

Still, for the benefit of those who are actually interested in what the wider Muslim Community are doing to address extremism i'll use the most recent hostage situation at the hands of an extremist in Sydney recently. Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric, the Grand Mufti, joined Muslim community leaders in condemning the siege. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia even warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack

Muslim community 'shocked' by Sydney cafe siege, say 'misguided' individuals misrepresenting faith - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25780040/australian-muslim-groups-condemn-sydney-cafe-siege/

Australian Muslims condemn 'madman' gunman as #illridewithyou trends | SBS News



Sydney’s chief Islamic *funeral director declared no Muslim funeral home would accept the body of Monis and suggested authorities should just dump his corpse at sea or “chuck him in the bloody ****house”.
Then guess what happened? They were criticised by some for that. If they had taken care of the body it would be front page news with claims that they obviously supported him. When they didn't they still copped grief. Damned if you do and damned if you don't with the bigots, nothing will ever please them.
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Actions speak louder than words. Ever heard that before?

The examples of lip service you posted still doesn't explain why Muslims from Australia would join ISIS.

The apologists are so gullible, they'll fall for anything. They're nothing more than useful idiots for the jihadists.
 
apdst said:
Actions speak louder than words. Ever heard that before?
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Indeed they do and some of us are able to give credit where credit is due. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008. ACTIONS do speak louder than words and that's a good thing isn't it?

apdst said:
The examples of lip service you posted still doesn't explain why Muslims from Australia would join ISIS.
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Vulnerable people do stupid things everywhere, it's not just isolated to Australia. There are many examples of this already in this thread should you care to read.

apdst said:
The apologists are so gullible, they'll fall for anything. They're nothing more than useful idiots for the jihadists.
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I don't disagree and i don't see any apologists posting in this thread.
 
lizzie said:
Imo, this shows that there is a psychological need which is not being met, and it's not anything to do with education. There seems to be a part of the human psyche (in many, but not all of us) which needs an ideological endeavor, separate from that which intellect provides. It may just be that in our current states of existence/ societal conditions, we aren't being challenged enough just for survival, and have too much idle time on our hands. What is that old saying, "Idle hands are the devil's workshop". It's not that I even believe in a "devil", but I think there is merit to that idea.
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My thoughts exactly. It just goes to show how listless and otherwise "soft" modern Western culture has become for a lot of people.

They need something more to live for. Unfortunately, it seems like the misguided fanaticism of ISIS is providing exactly such an outlet for some people.

It's scary stuff, but it's not exactly unprecedented. Just think of the kind of psychological sway movements like Nazism and Red Communism were able to instill in populations just a few decades ago, for example.
 
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Serenity said:
Indeed they do and some of us are able to give credit where credit is due. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008. ACTIONS do speak louder than words and that's a good thing isn't it?
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Warned them of what?



Vulnerable people do stupid things everywhere, it's not just isolated to Australia. There are many examples of this already in this thread should you care to read.
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I never said it had anything to do with Australia. Don't lie about my comments.



I don't disagree and i don't see any apologists posting in this thread.
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Apologists are all over this thread. They come out of the woodwork, whenever Islam needs to be protected, calling anyone who dares criticize sacred Islam a bigot
 
apdst said:
Warned them of what?
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You asked "what is going on with the Muslim Community". I showed you responses to the most recent act of extremism in Australia from the Muslim Community. I also showed you where the individual in question responsible for those acts was reported to the Authorities back in 2008 by the President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia because they were concerned about his behaviour as far back as then.


apdst said:
I never said it had anything to do with Australia. Don't lie about my comments.
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Ahh so you weren't talking about Australia in a thread about Australians. Ohhhkay then.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea it is normal to treat fellow human beings the way Australia treats its refugees... sure.... after all Papa New Guinea is paradise on Earth right?
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Firstly, the illegal immigrants that attempt to land on Australian shores are not refugees. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country on earth so they are not seeking refuge from anything. They are not persecuted in Indonesia and have no valid reason to leave. The difference between the Australian government and the Indonesian government, is that the Australian government automatically gives welfare (and lots of it) to illegal immigrants and the Indonesian government does not. The illegal immigrants are seeking a better economic situation which they get through welfare in Australia. Wanting to have more money in one's life does not make one a refugee escaping from either political or religious persecution.

Secondly, under the previous Labor government, over 1200 people drowned at sea trying to get here. The Liberal government stopped the loss of life by attempting to prevent boats loaded with people sinking at sea. Now, I will admit that New Guinea is not an ideal situation because when the illegals are released into the community, they will take jobs from New Guinea natives.

There was a protest a few days ago in Sydney with a group that has been branded a terrorist organisation in most of the rest of the Western nations, but not in Australia, demanding Sharia Law be in Australia and demanding that Australia become a Muslim nation. At the moment that is ridiculous of course because they don't have the numbers, that won't happen for several years yet. You can perhaps see why some Australians, those who are aware and don't have their heads buried in the sand, are a tad nervous. Coupled with the Sydney siege in December last year and the numbers joining ISIS, the high rates of Muslim criminals and the conversion of many in the prison system, it makes some Australians worried for the future. Despite all of this, there is very little, if any, persecution of Muslims in Australia.
 
Serenity said:
You asked "what is going on with the Muslim Community". I showed you responses to the most recent act of extremism in Australia from the Muslim Community. I also showed you where the individual in question responsible for those acts was reported to the Authorities back in 2008 by the President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia because they were concerned about his behaviour as far back as then.
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I'll see your mufti and raise you 800,000 Muslims.

800,000 Muslims Rally Against Charlie Hebdo in Chechnya – A Country of 1.3 Million People | The Gateway Pundit



Ahh so you weren't talking about Australia in a thread about Australians. Ohhhkay then.
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I didn't blame Australia, nor Australians, as you suggested when you lied about my post. Stop lying about my comments.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Secondly, under the previous Labor government, over 1200 people drowned at sea trying to get here. The Liberal government stopped the loss of life by attempting to prevent boats loaded with people sinking at sea. Now, I will admit that New Guinea is not an ideal situation because when the illegals are released into the community, they will take jobs from New Guinea natives.
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Australias treatment of asylum seekers is an absolute disgrace. Feel free to start a thread relating to it over in the Aussie forum so as not to derail this one and i'll happily engage you on it there.

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LadyMoonlight said:
There was a protest a few days ago in Sydney with a group that has been branded a terrorist organisation in most of the rest of the Western nations, but not in Australia, demanding Sharia Law be in Australia and demanding that Australia become a Muslim nation. At the moment that is ridiculous of course because they don't have the numbers, that won't happen for several years yet. You can perhaps see why some Australians, those who are aware and don't have their heads buried in the sand, are a tad nervous. Coupled with the Sydney siege in December last year and the numbers joining ISIS, the high rates of Muslim criminals and the conversion of many in the prison system, it makes some Australians worried for the future.
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The smart Australian already understands the need to remain vigilant and recognise that extremism is just one thing that we need to be aware of. There are 4.6 million people living in Sydney. There was a protest of around 800 morons. Do the math, that's 0.01% of the population.

I'm concerned about the rise in the National Road toll that we've seen already in 2015, i'm concerned that i'm increasingly having to sit in an ambulance with seriously ill patients outside of emergency departments at major hospitals for hours sometimes because the health system is crumbling, i'm concerned about the state of the Education Department, the significant drop in Iron Ore pricing that has just seen a significant job loss in SA etc etc. They are just some of the things that are foremost in my mind right now.

0.01% of the population protesting? Being aware of it and staying vigilent about the possibilities of extremists acts is wise. Pretending that it's even close to the biggest issue our Country has right now and focussing solely on that is foolish.



LadyMoonlight said:
Despite all of this, there is very little, if any, persecution of Muslims in Australia.
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I guess if you live in Betoota that might be accurate.
 
Not really.
1.) Australia has been a staunch ally of the US in the war of terror.. err on terror. In fact I would almost claim it has been the most loyal of all. They have been heavily involved in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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good for Australia

2.) Australia has a large Muslim community.. about 2.2-5% of the population, especially from Lebanon. There has been illegal immigration from most of Asia towards Australia and many, if not most, are Muslims. These people are treated like dirt by the Australians, and that often does not exactly go down well among other Muslims.
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SLight correction. They treat everyone else like ****. They see Australian girls as whores who can be raped. They are heavily involved in crime.

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.) Lonely and impressionable people are in general easy to con into such situations. Before (and still) many in the west were conned into organisations like Scientology or Christian cults. This is no different. And often these cults use things like love/sex to lure people into the cult. I remember Jehovas witness coming up to my door .. 2 men. I tell them to go away.. next time, two hot women knock on the door.
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exceptting the mass murder stuff

There are sadly many cases of girls being lured into situations by men.. lured into the sex trade to going to Syria to become a jihad bride. There was just a case of a woman in an European country.. Austria or Holland/Belgium I think, who went to Syria to pull out her teenage daughter who had taken on a holiday to Turkey and only to join her "boyfriend" in Syria. She then regretted it but could not leave.. until her mother came and got her back and now she is awaiting trial in her home country.
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So lets see the details of this great tragedy.

Or the many many cases of women and men who join cults across the world. I remember that many in the Wacho stand off were in fact young women and men that had "disappeared" from their families and were known to be lonely and highly impressionable.

So basically.. it is not new at all.[/QUOTE]
 
PeteEU said:
So now refugees from Asia are terrorist to you?
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If they are from muslim countries it certainly increases the likleyhood. Refugees taken in by the UK have turned on us and started attacking us.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Firstly, the illegal immigrants that attempt to land on Australian shores are not refugees. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country on earth so they are not seeking refuge from anything. They are not persecuted in Indonesia and have no valid reason to leave. The difference between the Australian government and the Indonesian government, is that the Australian government automatically gives welfare (and lots of it) to illegal immigrants and the Indonesian government does not. The illegal immigrants are seeking a better economic situation which they get through welfare in Australia. Wanting to have more money in one's life does not make one a refugee escaping from either political or religious persecution.
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I dont disagree.

Secondly, under the previous Labor government, over 1200 people drowned at sea trying to get here. The Liberal government stopped the loss of life by attempting to prevent boats loaded with people sinking at sea. Now, I will admit that New Guinea is not an ideal situation because when the illegals are released into the community, they will take jobs from New Guinea natives.
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This the problem.. the treatment of these immigrants/refugees.

There was a protest a few days ago in Sydney with a group that has been branded a terrorist organisation in most of the rest of the Western nations, but not in Australia, demanding Sharia Law be in Australia and demanding that Australia become a Muslim nation. At the moment that is ridiculous of course because they don't have the numbers, that won't happen for several years yet. You can perhaps see why some Australians, those who are aware and don't have their heads buried in the sand, are a tad nervous.
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LOL so a few nutjobs held a protest demanding Sharia law and you are in panic mode? Seriously? Its called paranoia.

Coupled with the Sydney siege in December last year and the numbers joining ISIS, the high rates of Muslim criminals and the conversion of many in the prison system, it makes some Australians worried for the future. Despite all of this, there is very little, if any, persecution of Muslims in Australia.
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Who said there was? All I said was that the treatment of refugees/immigrants was disgraceful.
 
ataturk said:
Refugees taken in by the UK have turned on us and started attacking us.
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What utter bull****. When? Names and incidents please.

Pretty much all attacks in the UK have been by home grown Brits.
 
PeteEU said:
What utter bull****. When? Names and incidents please.

Pretty much all attacks in the UK have been by home grown Brits.
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let me just check before you wriggle of this. You claim that no Refugees to the UK have then gone on to become terrorist or that somehow because most terrorists are UK born scum that makes the FACT (ill give you a clue its somalia) That scum refugees have done that untrue.

I see disgusting denmark actually wants to help returning isis war criminals reintegrate into society. I hope the DPP return to kick out Neil Kinnocks daughter in law
 
ataturk said:
let me just check before you wriggle of this. You claim that no Refugees to the UK have then gone on to become terrorist or that somehow because most terrorists are UK born scum that makes the FACT (ill give you a clue its somalia) That scum refugees have done that untrue.
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Thank you for showing your true racist views.

I see disgusting denmark actually wants to help returning isis war criminals reintegrate into society. I hope the DPP return to kick out Neil Kinnocks daughter in law
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As usual more right wing BS. And the Danish Peoples Party are a bunch of neo nazis so no wonder you support those racist pigs.
 
This the problem.. the treatment of these immigrants/refugees.
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They shyould be deported immediately

LOL so a few nutjobs held a protest demanding Sharia law and you are in panic mode? Seriously? Its called paranoia.
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Not so. They will grow in number and then you get the mass child abuse and the terrorism. We have seen it all over Norther Europe
Who said there was? All I said was that the treatment of refugees/immigrants was disgraceful.
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Why? let me guess they haven;t all been given jobs as MPs and high court judges yet
 
Thank you for showing your true racist views.
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I see like every leftist you refuse to actually answer the question so you just make an ad hominem.


As usual more right wing BS. And the Danish Peoples Party are a bunch of neo nazis so no wonder you support those racist pigs.
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the jew haters are the Islamists you live so much. DPP are not neo Nazis they are people fed up of Criminals being allowed to do as they wish and being paid from their taxes.


You a centrist? dont make me laugh.
 
Goshin said:
How does any woman manage to be so naïve or ignorant that she would join an org that treats women like dogs and sex slaves, and beheads them or stones them for the smallest "offenses".... like being too educated according to recent reports...
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Seriously. It boggles the brain cells.
 
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