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Will Japan go to war with ISIS

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It certainly is looking that way, especially if the latest beheading videos are real.

Japanese government official Yoshihide Suga condemned the latest video as "outrageous and unacceptable".

BBC News - Japan checking IS 'hostage death' video

Are beheadings enough to go to war? It seems like in the past we have gone to war over much, much less. I guess it's harder because ISIS isn't technically a country...yet.
 
At least one person on DP suggested the initial pictures showing the two Japanese men were faked.

No I don't think Japan will go to war when the beheading video of these two men are shown to be real (which I fully expect). I think they may join into the coalition with the US, which would be a good political move but won't really do much else. We now see Yemen's government falling, Iraq and Syria in turmoil, Saudi Arabia going through a power shift - and ISIS and other terrorist organizations vowing to pull the Saudi royal family down, and Iran having tons more influence in all these areas than they did just 2 years ago. I don't think Japan going it alone, nor joining the joke of a coalition Obama has put together will do anything.
 
Yeah, it's really a damn shame that the members of ISIS aren't all concentrated into one location. It would make things much simpler.
 
Will Japan go to war with ISIS

It certainly is looking that way, especially if the latest beheading videos are real.

BBC News - Japan checking IS 'hostage death' video

Are beheadings enough to go to war? It seems like in the past we have gone to war over much, much less. I guess it's harder because ISIS isn't technically a country...yet.
It is certain that our own USA is pressuring Japan to war against ISIL and hopefully Japan will resist that pressure.

The idea that beheading is something terrible seems so ridiculous to me.

Our USA invades Muslim Countries based on our lies and we kill millions of people and displace millions of innocent citizens so what - is our kind of mass murder superior to a few people getting their heads cut off? I say not.

Is our Drone bombs which blow up the people including the killing of bystanders some how a superior form of execution? certainly it is NOT.

Cutting off a person's head is fairly quick and it is done, so are they expected to use a lethal injection instead?

And surely there is no doubt that the USA pressured Japan to NOT pay the ransom money so their blood is on our hands too.
 
It certainly is looking that way, especially if the latest beheading videos are real.

Are beheadings enough to go to war? It seems like in the past we have gone to war over much, much less. I guess it's harder because ISIS isn't technically a country...yet.

Not for Japan, I doubt that Japan has the population support for, political desire for, or economic ability to support going to war with ISIS. Take part in a coalition though, that could be another matter.
 
Not for Japan, I doubt that Japan has the population support for, political desire for, or economic ability to support going to war with ISIS. Take part in a coalition though, that could be another matter.

Japan has a sizable, competent and well equipped Defense Force partially due to perceived Chinese aggression.
 
It certainly is looking that way, especially if the latest beheading videos are real.



BBC News - Japan checking IS 'hostage death' video

Are beheadings enough to go to war? It seems like in the past we have gone to war over much, much less. I guess it's harder because ISIS isn't technically a country...yet.


One or two killings? Not really. But a good beheading brings the argument across to the public better than explanations. That is probably the same in Japan as in Europe. It is the main reason the Germans are such free riders. They have not been hit in a long time. The terrorists lived there and made the attacks elsewhere. It is a little like the Mafia whose operatives are said seek safe haven from Italy in Cologne, Hamburg or so.

So yes. The beheading might make a difference, though, it is not really in itself enough to go to war about.

Of course, we are not really talking about war here. We are talking about international crime and mass murder carried out by military means.
 
Japan has a sizable, competent and well equipped Defense Force partially due to perceived Chinese aggression.

That does not mean they are ready to jump into conflict with ISIS, I'd be surprised if they tried no matter how much you want to argue about Japan's military ability.
 
Japan has a sizable, competent and well equipped Defense Force partially due to perceived Chinese aggression.

But sorrily they do not help producing international security very much.
 
That does not mean they are ready to jump into conflict with ISIS, I'd be surprised if they tried no matter how much you want to argue about Japan's military ability.

Like Germany they are quite happy to let the US and other allies produce and maintain the relative international security that enables them to trade and live. Security is, you see, a public good with the well known free rider problem.
 
But sorrily they do not help producing international security very much.

Their constitution (Partially written by your country I might add) precludes them from being able to go on foreign adventures unless there is a direct attack upon their country.

This could change if the current government gets its way but even then, such a move would be very controversial with the Japanese public.

The 600 some change Japanese Soldiers sent into Iraq under the Koizumi administration was controversial enough.
 
Why the hell do civilians like those people keep going to Syria? Do they have a deathwish or something? Dont those idiots know there's a civil war going on? :doh
 
I'll be shocked and amazed if Japan goes to war against ISIS on its own.

But it could happen.
 
Yeah, it's really a damn shame that the members of ISIS aren't all concentrated into one location. It would make things much simpler.

They were, but we blew the oppurtunity to destroy them while they were out in the open. ISIS is 30,000 strong, so they can't be all that inconcentrated.
 
It is certain that our own USA is pressuring Japan to war against ISIL and hopefully Japan will resist that pressure.

The idea that beheading is something terrible seems so ridiculous to me.

Our USA invades Muslim Countries based on our lies and we kill millions of people and displace millions of innocent citizens so what - is our kind of mass murder superior to a few people getting their heads cut off? I say not.

Is our Drone bombs which blow up the people including the killing of bystanders some how a superior form of execution? certainly it is NOT.

Cutting off a person's head is fairly quick and it is done, so are they expected to use a lethal injection instead?

And surely there is no doubt that the USA pressured Japan to NOT pay the ransom money so their blood is on our hands too.

Unpleasant truths.
 
I hope japan does join in. isis had no argument with the japanese and now have one.


We need to wipe out Isis then pursue any who got away and jail them alongside all the dhimmis who support them
 
Their constitution (Partially written by your country I might add) precludes them from being able to go on foreign adventures unless there is a direct attack upon their country.

This could change if the current government gets its way but even then, such a move would be very controversial with the Japanese public.

The 600 some change Japanese Soldiers sent into Iraq under the Koizumi administration was controversial enough.

The problem is the same in Germany. What is interesting is that this situation has practically prevented any reasonable discussion of international security, as the whole aspect of enforcement is shrouded and incomplete. This is especially the case, because the lack of participation in, what is essentially a public good that enables the society's very survival depends on that exceedingly expensive good being produced. A whole mythology has grown around non-participation to justify it. The pressure on Germany by its European allies has been growing and the German government has been alert to the consequential implications. It knows that it will have to switch out of its free ridding strategy and start to shoulder responsibility and develop military capabilities. But even getting 10.000 troops on the ground is giving it enormous problems let alone building even a strategy for peace keeping ie police action abroad.
 
Their constitution (Partially written by your country I might add) precludes them from being able to go on foreign adventures unless there is a direct attack upon their country.

This could change if the current government gets its way but even then, such a move would be very controversial with the Japanese public.

The 600 some change Japanese Soldiers sent into Iraq under the Koizumi administration was controversial enough.

I think Japan was sending in minesweepers too.
 
Perceived?

I am extremely biased in this regard as I believe categorically the Islands belong to Japan.

But China has been flexing its muscles not just against the Senkaku Islands but also against many others, Vietnam, Philippines etc.

Japan is in no national danger though.

I've seen the geography of Southern Japan and their military capabilities.

China could never invade effectively, not that they would anyway.

The Senkaku as I understand has more to do with historical grievances and resources... not exactly new the the Japanese - Chinese relationship dynamic.
 
I am extremely biased in this regard as I believe categorically the Islands belong to Japan.

But China has been flexing its muscles not just against the Senkaku Islands but also against many others, Vietnam, Philippines etc.

Japan is in no national danger though.

I've seen the geography of Southern Japan and their military capabilities.

China could never invade effectively, not that they would anyway.

The Senkaku as I understand has more to do with historical grievances and resources... not exactly new the the Japanese - Chinese relationship dynamic.



I know the tensions have been there for centuries.

I think the tensions and the dislikes are less perceived than they are real.
 
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