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House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

Risky Thicket said:
But, you hate that **** when it comes to incremental gun control, right?
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Oh hey, look!


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A Strawman!
 
Bob Blaylock said:
A lie does not become truth, no matter how many times it is repeated.

It is never a responsible act to needlessly kill an innocent human being in cold blood. Such will never, ever be anything but an expression of the greatest evil of which a human being is capable.
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sorry the FACT remains that millions feel driven by thier responsibility and morals to abort and your opinion of thier decision is MEANINGLESS. LMAO
your opinion is no better than theirs (vice versa) and calling thier opinion a lie just further demonstrates how dishonest your posts are :shrug:

you are welcome to that OPINION of course but thats all it will ever be. The difference is YOU want to infringe on thier rights and force your opinions on them while they respect your rights and leave you free to your choices.


the only fact about your post is that YOU calling it a lie, as if that's a fact, IS the lie. Please keep repeating this dishonesty because it further exposes the how mentally inane your "claims" are and the pure dishonest hypocrisy of your posts..
 
Lursa said:
Of course it does. And I have proven it.
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The only thing you have proven is that you can delude yourself.

You assume that the right to life supersedes all other rights.
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I have made no such assumption.

They place freedom, personal causes, loved ones, principles, etc above life frequently.
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If you want to sacrifice your own life for a cause, its yours to sacrifice. If you want to kill someone else for your personal gain, that's not in the same moral ballpark. That should be intuitively obvious to anyone, but moral compasses sometimes need a tune-up, I guess.

So to protect the (non-existent) rights of the unborn against the mother's will, the govt must infringe on her rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness
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No. Preventing any one human from killing another human in aggression does not infringe upon their rights to life, liberty, or property. This does not change regardless of who the potential killer is nor who the intended victim is. You may as well be opining that laws against you walking outside right now and shooting someone infringe upon your right to liberty, somehow. They don't.
 
JayDubya said:
The only thing you have proven is that you can delude yourself.

I have made no such assumption.

If you want to sacrifice your own life for a cause, its yours to sacrifice. If you want to kill someone else for your personal gain, that's not in the same moral ballpark. That should be intuitively obvious to anyone, but moral compasses sometimes need a tune-up, I guess.

No. Preventing any one human from killing another human in aggression does not infringe upon their rights to life, liberty, or property. This does not change regardless of who the potential killer is nor who the intended victim is. You may as well be opining that laws against you walking outside right now and shooting someone infringe upon your right to liberty, somehow. They don't.
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So nothing but denials? No substance with which to actually refute?

Well at least I *also* accurately predicted your response.
 
Lursa said:
So nothing but denials?
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You didn't say anything rational that reflected reality on any level. When you do this, what should you expect beyond correction of these stated errors?

As usual, you have no counterpoint for anything.

You state something about how life is less important than liberty to some people, I correctly point out that people make this call for themselves, not for others.

You state something about how not being allowed to kill another human being in aggression "infringes" upon someone's rights; I correctly point out that laws against homicide do not infringe upon your rights but are how the government protects our rights in the first place.
 
JayDubya said:
You didn't say anything rational that reflected reality on any level. When you do this, what should you expect beyond correction of these stated errors?

As usual, you have no counterpoint for anything.

You state something about how life is less important than liberty to some people, I correctly point out that people make this call for themselves, not for others.

You state something about how not being allowed to kill another human being in aggression "infringes" upon someone's rights; I correctly point out that laws against homicide do not infringe upon your rights but are how the government protects our rights in the first place.
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what actually happened is yet another poster owned your post and the lies in it
banning abortion would in fact infringe on legal and human rights
law, rights, facts and many court cases prove this . . . .please do tell us . . what do you have that supports your failed and destroyed claim again besides "nu-huh"
your post fails and facts win again
 
Oh look, more garbage posting that contains no counterpoint whatsoever, only childish stuff about "owning."

I find that "pwn" works better if you want to convey just pure ridiculousness, which is obviously what you were going for.
 
JayDubya said:
Oh look, more garbage posting that contains no counterpoint whatsoever, only childish stuff about "owning."

I find that "pwn" works better if you want to convey just pure ridiculousness, which is obviously what you were going for.
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translation: you still have NOTHING, not ONE fact that supports your proven wrong claims, maybe in your next post you will LOL
your post fails and facts win again

if you disagree PLEASE present the facts that prove the law, rights and many court cases wrong and that shows that banning abortion does not infringe on woman's current legal and human rights, thanks

I bet you dodge it AGAIN
 
JayDubya said:
You didn't say anything rational that reflected reality on any level. When you do this, what should you expect beyond correction of these stated errors?

As usual, you have no counterpoint for anything.

You state something about how life is less important than liberty to some people, I correctly point out that people make this call for themselves, not for others.

You state something about how not being allowed to kill another human being in aggression "infringes" upon someone's rights; I correctly point out that laws against homicide do not infringe upon your rights but are how the government protects our rights in the first place.
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You offered zero to counterpoint.

You dont have anything to do so with.

You can spout the same thing over and over again but it doesnt make it true. I explained it clearly that they cannot be treated equally under the Constitution. I cant open your brain and make you understand it (even tho you wouldnt like it. heh, not that I care)
 
OrphanSlug said:
From your own article, it appears there were real concerns with the Bill. It was not about "offending" female GOP congress members.
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The heck it wasn't. It was about that, as much as it was about offending milleniel voters.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/22...-terrified-by-the-gops-abortion-bill-debacle/

Bad reason. It was a reason based on (okay, I'll pander for votes now that I think I need to)

Plus, add to the fact that two female republican GOP members were for or pro HR 1797 in June of 2013, then most recently reversed their support for this most recent bill.





I'm glad it took two (at least) GOP female members to deride this bill, I just wonder when the GOP will pinch themselves and wake up to reality and stop alienating Latino, Hispanic, minority and poor voters.

But remember, the GOP is largely filled with some hypocrites, so we might see more reversals for their policies.
 
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AGENT J said:
sorry the FACT remains that millions feel driven by thier responsibility and morals to abort and your opinion of thier decision is MEANINGLESS. LMAO
your opinion is no better than theirs (vice versa) and calling thier opinion a lie just further demonstrates how dishonest your posts are :shrug:

you are welcome to that OPINION of course but thats all it will ever be. The difference is YOU want to infringe on thier rights and force your opinions on them while they respect your rights and leave you free to your choices.


the only fact about your post is that YOU calling it a lie, as if that's a fact, IS the lie. Please keep repeating this dishonesty because it further exposes the how mentally inane your "claims" are and the pure dishonest hypocrisy of your posts..
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If a person repeats poppycock long enough, they begin to believe it, it's like beating a drum of the same tone over and over, in this case, it's beating the dead horse.
 
beefheart said:
Trent Franks is an absolute nutcase in a district full of nutcases. He tries this every year, and loses, every year.
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I disagree beefheart, I believe the nutcases extend far beyond the "district".
 
AJiveMan said:
If a person repeats poppycock long enough, they begin to believe it, it's like beating a drum of the same tone over and over, in this case, it's beating the dead horse.
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well its very sad if bob believes his "opinions" are truths but that does seem to be the case
as we see though, that wont stop educated, honest and objective posters from pointing out the fallacies in his posts.
 
AGENT J said:
well its very sad if bob believes his "opinions" are truths but that does seem to be the case
as we see though, that wont stop educated, honest and objective posters from pointing out the fallacies in his posts.
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And so many people have done exactly that. Good Job.
 
AJiveMan said:
And so many people have done exactly that. Good Job.
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exactly its the majority of active posters here that point out the fallacies in his posts.
 
AGENT J said:
exactly its the majority of active posters here that point out the fallacies in his posts.
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The one post that really stuck in my mind ever since I read it was the one that stated another member was paying to kill human beings or babies. I thought of coming down hard on that but decided I didn't want to be banned for typing what I thought might have broken the camel's back. The post was really meant to inflame and bait the person.
 
AJiveMan said:
The one post that really stuck in my mind ever since I read it was the one that stated another member was paying to kill human beings or babies. I thought of coming down hard on that but decided I didn't want to be banned for typing what I thought might have broken the camel's back. The post was really meant to inflame and bait the person.
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nobody takes those post seriously, people just mock them like they should
 
AJiveMan said:
I viewed it as an insult to the other member.
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well youd have to be more specific since i dont know what exactly you are talking about, you may be 100% right but again, to insult a person takes power really
 
AJiveMan said:
Page 22.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...roe-v-wade-anniversary-22.html#post1064236271
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Not that it was any of Jay's business but I did reply to him on another thread

Originally Posted by JayDubya
All humans, including the ones you want to see dead and the ones your liker has violently killed.
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My reply:

If you are referring to me ..than no human was killed violently or otherwise by my donation.
It is impossible to kill a fetus that died a natural death but was not expelled in a timely manner and had to removed by a doctor.
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Between the birth of my 2ed and 3rd child I miscarried a very malformed at about 20 gestation.
My husband took to the ER because I had early pains and was hoping to stop the labor and have a healthy baby.
They took a pregnancy test and told I no longer pregnant.
When I miscarried I accidentally saw how malformed it was.
My doctor told me even if I carried longer it never would have been viable.

If my body had not miscarried naturally I may very well have needed an abortion to keep from getting a septic infection like the one that killed the lady in Ireland recently.
 
minnie616 said:
I am glad your philosophy has worked well for your family and your 2 children.

But I still feel there would not be so many single parents if the pro life movement did not demonize abortion and glorify unwed mothers for choosing to continue unwanted pregnancies.
Look at how many pro life /conservatives congratulated and defended Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol when she became a single unwed mother.

From this article:



http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...o_life_movement_lead_to_more_single_moms.html
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Really? So you who says that the kids are going to have sex anyway, isn't the problem eh? No, it's those of is whom don't want unborn children killed in the womb, we're the problem...think about how dumb that logic sounds.

I will agree though that we aren't doing enough to support these teen fathers taking responsibility, or instilling the values of waiting til real love, and marriage though.
 
minnie616 said:
Not that it was any of Jay's business but I did reply to him on another thread


My reply:



Between the birth of my 2ed and 3rd child I miscarried a very malformed at about 20 gestation.
My husband took to the ER because I had early pains and was hoping to stop the labor and have a healthy baby.
They took a pregnancy test and told I no longer pregnant.
When I miscarried I accidentally saw how malformed it was.
My doctor told me even if I carried longer it never would have been viable.

If my body had not miscarried naturally I may very well have needed an abortion to keep from getting a septic infection like the one that killed the lady in Ireland recently.
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I am truly sorry to hear that you went through that Minnie.
 
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